[speakeasy]

[Screwston]

(07-09-2013 10:18 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

There is a reason why they had all these molestation cases, I will not get into the full story.

[MrXY]

(07-09-2013 10:18 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

There is a reason why they had all these molestation cases, I will not get into the full story.

However, I do believe that one of the kids father that accused MJ was going to come clean and was silenced permanently.

I bet that "creepy ass cracker" George Zimmerman was involved somehow.....

[la passione]

I don't have a dog in this controversy, nor am I a big MJ fan, but I came across this a while back and found it rather fascinating. Thought it would be of interest here.

This guy claims to be a trained, credentialed body-language/micro-expression expert. Here, he gives his analysis of two MJ statements/interviews. I think he (the guy doing the analysis) is the real deal, but you be the judge. Spoiler alert- his verdict: MJ displays hallmarks of honesty/not a pedo.

Edit: In the second video, at 8min 5sec is the part where he's answering questions inappropriate relationships with kids. I tried to embed it with this time stamp, for some reason it's not working.

[Dusty]

[url=https://twitter.com/kyledunnigan/status/1103405202911227915?s=21][/url]

Dems da rules!

[The Beast1]

Oh geeze that's funny!

[Days of Broken Arrows]

I just listened to a radio interview with Brooke Shields, where she said when she and M.J. hung out as teens, they goofed around as if they were a bunch of kids.

This alone should be proof something was wrong with M.J. Back in that era, Brooke Shields was THE sex symbol, with a hot movie ("The Blue Lagoon") and a sexy jeans ad ("Nothing gets between me and my Calvin Kleins").

99.999999 percent of guys in America were fantasizing about Brooke Shields in the Reagan Era. M.J. gets time with her and treats her like a play date or a gal-pal.

(Back then, neither gay or pedophile culture was not on the radar for most people, so she can be excused for not thinking there was something off about him.)

[jeffreyjerpp]

(06-30-2013 05:47 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

How or why were these children in the company of Jackson anyway?

This is the dynamic that should be getting all of the attention, but isn't.

Red pill: plenty of parents are happy to pimp out their children to people in the entertainment industry, for the purposes of obtaining money and access to prominent entertainers.

Why do you think sooooo many former child and teen stars go completely crazy? They were getting the Weinstein treatment from age 11 onwards, then getting robbed blind by their parents. The parents drop them off at a TV Studio or Hollywood mansion, then look the other while by collecting bags of cash.

Crazy Days and Nights has talked about this extensively, and it is pretty obviously true. The expectation is that any pubescent woman (~13 yrs old onwards) who wants to make it in Hollywood is going to sleep with studio execs to make it happen.

That is what people are willing to do for a shot at tv pilots or small movie roles. Michael Jackson was probably the most famous person on the entire planet. It would be very, very naive to think there aren't plenty of people out there willing to basically sacrifice their children to him in exchange for money and access. Same thing for R Kelly, Dan Schneider, and who knows how many others.

[jeffreyjerpp]

(03-07-2019 12:19 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

I just listened to a radio interview with Brooke Shields, where she said when she and M.J. hung out as teens, they goofed around as if they were a bunch of kids.

This alone should be proof something was wrong with M.J. Back in that era, Brooke Shields was THE sex symbol, with a hot movie ("The Blue Lagoon") and a sexy jeans ad ("Nothing gets between me and my Calvin Kleins").

99.999999 percent of guys in America were fantasizing about Brooke Shields in the Reagan Era. M.J. gets time with her and treats her like a play date or a gal-pal.

And yes, MJ was obviously a massive pedophile. He could have had the worlds most beautiful women in unlimited quantities. Instead he chose to have "sleepovers" with young boys. That alone should end the argument. The desire to make excuses for him, when he is obviously a deranged freak, is frankly baffling to me.

For context, around the same time, healthy heterosexual Jon Bon Jovi was busy doing this:

[griffinmill]

None of us knows what really happened. You could be wrong in your assessment, and so could I. But saying that, something in my gut tells me that MJ was not a child molester, and most of these new allegations are fame-hungry men exploiting the #metoo climate.

1) The police and FBI searched MJ's entire property back before the 2004-2005 criminal trial and found no explicit material relating to child molestation. Consider the plausibility that a shameless child molester had ZERO child porn to be found anywhere on his property or computer. In fact, the only porn they did find was adult heterosexual porn.

2) The more famous children who stayed over with MJ maintain to this very day that nothing untoward happened while in his company, and they neither saw nor heard anything untoward. If MJ was a child molester, why was he so discerning? Just look at Macaulay Culkin who would have been prime pickings: dysfunctional childhood and looking for a surrogate father figure. Yet he continues to be one of MJ's biggest defenders.

3) If you look closely at the individual cases (a small number of alleged victims considering the number of children that were on his property throughout the years) you will find inconsistent testimony or parents who had tried to sue other celebrities in the past.

MJ was a weird, weird man. He suffered from arrested development. His attraction to children was a way for him to live out a childhood he never knew. The fact he was in bed with Brooke Shields and never banged her could mean a whole lot of things. I would suggest it speaks to his level of awkwardness around the opposite sex and having very little experience.

But, as I originally said, nobody knows, and I could be wrong.

[loremipsum]

Why is it that now under so many pedophilia cases of popes, media figures and whatnot, (((they))) decide to attack and divert attention to a guy who isn't even there to defend himself anymore?

Not to mention MJ had quite opinions on them.

[jeffreyjerpp]

(03-07-2019 01:54 PM)griffinmill Wrote:  

None of us knows what really happened. You could be wrong in your assessment, and so could I. But saying that, something in my gut tells me that MJ was not a child molester, and most of these new allegations are fame-hungry men exploiting the #metoo climate.

1) The police and FBI searched MJ's entire property back before the 2004-2005 criminal trial and found no explicit material relating to child molestation. Consider the plausibility that a shameless child molester had ZERO child porn to be found anywhere on his property or computer. In fact, the only porn they did find was adult heterosexual porn.

2) The more famous children who stayed over with MJ maintain to this very day that nothing untoward happened while in his company, and they neither saw nor heard anything untoward. If MJ was a child molester, why was he so discerning? Just look at Macaulay Culkin who would have been prime pickings: dysfunctional childhood and looking for a surrogate father figure. Yet he continues to be one of MJ's biggest defenders.

3) If you look closely at the individual cases (a small number of alleged victims considering the number of children that were on his property throughout the years) you will find inconsistent testimony or parents who had tried to sue other celebrities in the past.

MJ was a weird, weird man. He suffered from arrested development. His attraction to children was a way for him to live out a childhood he never knew. The fact he was in bed with Brooke Shields and never banged her could mean a whole lot of things. I would suggest it speaks to his level of awkwardness around the opposite sex and having very little experience.

But, as I originally said, nobody knows, and I could be wrong.

Michael Jackson Estate Questions Why Accusers Only Coming Forward Steadily Since Early 1990s

"SANTA BARBARA, CA—Noting that the timing of the allegations appeared to be “a little too perfect,” a lawyer representing Michael Jackson’s estate questioned Wednesday why those accusing the late pop icon of child sexual abuse had only come forward steadily since the early 1990s. “It seems awfully convenient that all these people suddenly decided to come out of the woodwork on a regular basis over the course of a quarter century,” said Jonathan Steinsapir, explaining that he also found it quite suspicious that some had chosen to make their accusations as grown men instead of doing so back in the ’90s like so many other children did. “This all seems like quite the coincidence to me. Are we to believe that one man with access to a private Peter Pan–themed ranch, a multimillion-dollar legal team, and a rabid fanbase willing to ignore his considerable eccentricities could just molest a bunch of kids without us finding out about more than a handful of them per year since 1992? That’s a bit far-fetched.” Steinsapir added that suspecting a grown man of sexual misconduct simply because he made a habit of inviting underage fans to sleepovers in which they shared his bed was unfair and “frankly just cynical.”"

entertainment.theonion.com/michael-jackson-estate-questions-why-accusers-only-comi-1833105791

[CynicalContrarian]

(03-07-2019 02:03 PM)loremipsum Wrote:  

Why is it that now under so many pedophilia cases of popes, media figures and whatnot, (((they))) decide to attack and divert attention to a guy who isn't even there to defend himself anymore?

Not to mention MJ had quite opinions on them.

Yep.
Whether Jimmy Saville or now Michael Jackson. 'They' seem to have no issue throwing dead men under the bus after the fact.

[911]

(03-07-2019 12:50 PM)jeffreyjerpp Wrote:  

(03-07-2019 12:19 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

I just listened to a radio interview with Brooke Shields, where she said when she and M.J. hung out as teens, they goofed around as if they were a bunch of kids.

This alone should be proof something was wrong with M.J. Back in that era, Brooke Shields was THE sex symbol, with a hot movie ("The Blue Lagoon") and a sexy jeans ad ("Nothing gets between me and my Calvin Kleins").

99.999999 percent of guys in America were fantasizing about Brooke Shields in the Reagan Era. M.J. gets time with her and treats her like a play date or a gal-pal.

And yes, MJ was obviously a massive pedophile. He could have had the worlds most beautiful women in unlimited quantities. Instead he chose to have "sleepovers" with young boys. That alone should end the argument. The desire to make excuses for him, when he is obviously a deranged freak, is frankly baffling to me.

For context, around the same time, healthy heterosexual Jon Bon Jovi was busy doing this:

This pretty much reinforces the case of MJ's innocence, because if he were a pedo, he would have indulged in his vice and molested dozens, if not hundreds of boys, like Saville did. Both he and Saville were megastars on top of the world, in position to tap into the nefarious pedo trafficking networks available at their disposal. Saville, who was a relatively smaller and far less affluent celebrity compared to MJ, molested literally hundreds of kids, and dozens of his victims did come forward.

Not the case with Jackson.

[Cuchulainn2016]

I have heard a theory regarding Michael Jackson, which may or not be true, but does have a little ring of truth to it.

1. His father abused his children, and pimped them out to other paedos.

2. His childhood was destroyed by his father.

3. He was exposed to entertainment industry paedos from an early age.

This caused him to live as a child whilst as an adult, to gain what he lost in childhood.

He also took in children, specifically those in the entertainment industry to try to protect them from the Hollyweird paedos.

Apparently he was friends with Spielberg, until they had an acrimonious split, and that's when he started being accused of being a paedo himself.

The implication being, Spielberg (and others) thought he was a sick fuck like them, and when they outed themselves to him, they found out he wasn't. Therefore the cut ties with him and #metoo'ed him so any thing he said about them wouldn't be believed.

Honestly, I don't know what the truth is.

[Mr. D]

[Kona]

All I know is that Michael Jackson went to Wal-Mart because they told him boys pants were half off.

Aloha!

[Chetthebaker]

Well, that’d be in line with Owen Benjamin’s theory that Spielberg was taken in and used by the Hollywood pedos after his first short film project and used as a tool for the promotion of pedophilia. Sounds like they did some fucked up shit to that little girl from Poltergeist.
I’m not sure of anything, but just cause he didn’t try to bang Brooke Shields when they were hanging out doesn’t mean he fucked kids. Yes, he was definitely weird. Was he a kid fucker though? I certainly used to think so but now I’m not so sure.

[Robert High Hawk]

I'm Team MJ here. This is all circumstantial drivel.

Now entire countries are pulling his music because of unproven allegations. Harassing his daughter in public.

This is a farce. It's bad now to hear his music because a new bullshit documentary comes out? Do you really wanna side with these lunatic extremists?

Show me on the doll where the sjw mob stole your intelligence and sense of justice.

Dude is dead, cannot defend himself, although his estate is trying. All these new "vicitims" are a joke. They are taking his music away from us. Less people will know of one of the most talented artists in recent history. We are devolving into hardcore degenerate communism, being told what we can and cannot listen to based off of feelings and rumors.

[BlastbeatCasanova]

(03-07-2019 05:24 PM)Cuchulainn2016 Wrote:  

I have heard a theory regarding Michael Jackson, which may or not be true, but does have a little ring of truth to it.

1. His father abused his children, and pimped them out to other paedos.

2. His childhood was destroyed by his father.

3. He was exposed to entertainment industry paedos from an early age.

This caused him to live as a child whilst as an adult, to gain what he lost in childhood.

He also took in children, specifically those in the entertainment industry to try to protect them from the Hollyweird paedos.

Apparently he was friends with Spielberg, until they had an acrimonious split, and that's when he started being accused of being a paedo himself.

The implication being, Spielberg (and others) thought he was a sick fuck like them, and when they outed themselves to him, they found out he wasn't. Therefore the cut ties with him and #metoo'ed him so any thing he said about them wouldn't be believed.

Honestly, I don't know what the truth is.

I'm leaning toward this theory. He seems like too easy of a target: weirdo, hung out with kids, etc. I think the guys coming forward now are looking for a big pay day. Who knows though?

[CynicalContrarian]

Mean-time. Roman Polanski et al., continue to sit pretty...

[realologist]

The only question that matters whether you think MJ is a pedophile or not.

Would you let him watch your kids?

[Kona]

(03-07-2019 06:42 PM)realologist Wrote:  

The only question that matters whether you think MJ is a pedophile or not.

I think another question that matters is what do Michael Jackson and caviar have in common?

The answer is they both come on little crackers.

Aloha!

[Aurini]

(03-07-2019 05:24 PM)Cuchulainn2016 Wrote:  

I have heard a theory regarding Michael Jackson, which may or not be true, but does have a little ring of truth to it.

1. His father abused his children, and pimped them out to other paedos.

2. His childhood was destroyed by his father.

3. He was exposed to entertainment industry paedos from an early age.

This caused him to live as a child whilst as an adult, to gain what he lost in childhood.

He also took in children, specifically those in the entertainment industry to try to protect them from the Hollyweird paedos.

Apparently he was friends with Spielberg, until they had an acrimonious split, and that's when he started being accused of being a paedo himself.

The implication being, Spielberg (and others) thought he was a sick fuck like them, and when they outed themselves to him, they found out he wasn't. Therefore the cut ties with him and #metoo'ed him so any thing he said about them wouldn't be believed.

Honestly, I don't know what the truth is.

I'm about 95% certain that this is the case. The more you look into it, the more innocent Jackson looks - especially with kids like Culkin who were almost certainly abused, he was there to try and offer them some innocent, big-brotherly love.

Jackson was pretty close to a saint in my eyes - at least by today's standards.

[Syberpunk]

(03-07-2019 05:24 PM)Cuchulainn2016 Wrote:  

Apparently he was friends with Spielberg, until they had an acrimonious split, and that's when he started being accused of being a paedo himself.

The implication being, Spielberg (and others) thought he was a sick fuck like them, and when they outed themselves to him, they found out he wasn't. Therefore the cut ties with him and #metoo'ed him so any thing he said about them wouldn't be believed.

Honestly, I don't know what the truth is.

And Spielberg was thinking about making Michael Jackson the lead of Hook (1991)....until he wasn't.

From 2003, Jackson 'paid witch doctor to put curse on Spielberg'

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...21369.html