[The Beast1]

I am writing this post about the effectiveness of using words like "creep" in either a LTR setting or in a general approach (night or day).

I was sitting around watching older episodes of Mad Men and it occurred to me, female shaming language has been around for a lot longer than one would think.

In Mad Men, the classic way other women are shamed into behaving appropriately is via the classic, "What man would want you for a marriage?" or along the lines of that.

Obviously, modern feminism has made comments like these passé. However, the female hive mind has given us a far more effective nuclear bomb to use instead:

Creep, rapist, pedofile, stalker

Shaming language works effectively on women and beta males. Why is this? Honestly who knows, probably some drive to want to be apart of the "in crowd". That's not the point of this conversation.

In any instance, using creep while gaming is an effective nuclear bomb. While words like "Bitch" and other generic insults people have effective shields to protect their egos against.

However creep is an impressive catch all phrase that can describe any behavior but all people seem to conjure up in their mind what a creep is.

In one example from my own personal LTR, my girl is a classic hamster. She is a prime example of maintaining an alpha frame, what better time to try and utilize our little experiment.

She likes to make stupid comments about other guys muscles in the similar vein of myself gawking at other girls.

"Oh, I would loooovvee to see him without his shirt on. So tasty!"

*pause*

"Hold your horses creeper."

"Huh?"

"You're acting creepy, get a hold of yourself."

The look of confusion, offense, and submission was golden. Remember delivery is everything, especially when a woman looks to you for approval using creep is an effective way to nuke the emotional hamster.

Here's an example in a night game context. I was at an upscale bar and stepped outside for a cigarette. There was a petite girl outside who i started talking to. She was unamused with my game (sue me I was tired) and was talking up her book about riding the carousal in Philly.

"I'm a writer! I wrote a book about my dating experiences in Philly. It started as a blog and I ended up getting approached by a publisher to print it. I also am a writing fellow at Harvard."

"Uhh so hold the phone, you wrote a blog about your sexual escapades in Philly describing in detail everything about the guys? That's so creepy. I have absolutely no desire to be another horse on your carousal of cock. Doing that makes you no different than some rapist who photographs his exploits on his bedroom wall! "



She was completely blown away by this. At which point, she started to say that she was branching out into fiction writing.

"Whoop de-dee. Until you have book two published that means nothing. Heck, I was going to go in for the make out but again have no desire to be written about for the world to see."

"If I gave you a promise..."

Make out ensues


Anywho, there is definitely an untapped reservoir of effective lines to play against hamsterism. Give it a try, but practice it a few times running through some scenarios in your head where using creep sounds effective.

I've run into instances where using creep on my own girl doesn't work as effectively. There's a learning curve to it, but once you get it



Cheers gentlemen

[Statsi]

I've occasionally used it to neutralise other guys or girls who are fucking up an approach, calling a blocker creepy or weird is a fun time. 'so rather than talking to people and enjoying her own night she's so obsessed with you that she can't stand to see you talking to guys in a bar? That is fucking creepy, seriously she's obviously got a weird crush on you' if the blocker stays in the conversation it just shows that you're right, you can even say, 'look your friend seems cool, but you are creeping me out, leave me alone please.' which can build into 'no means no, I've asked you to stop talking to me, stop being so rapey'.

I've never thought to use it on a girl I've already got in rotation though, I'd rather leave them better than when I met them than shame them into what I want them to be.

[WestIndianArchie]

We need more of this, a lot more.

Keep the lines coming.

I'm always tempted to use Jezebel-speak when talking to chicks, but this sounds like more fun.

WIA

[Akula]

good stuff, always nice to turn the tables...these are simple and effective I think...thx

Wondering how to do it with the model wannabe types here. I've been having little luck with a few, and all I've been able to come up with when they say they are modeling/looking to model is "is that all you do, just modeling, ok really - tough career path" or something like that...

[SpiderKing]

Yesterday I finished moving out and turned in my keys to the property office. Some receptionist says

"Hi, I'm Jane, I took your lockbox."
"My what? What are you talking about?"
"Remember? I took the lockbox from your apartment then you opened the door and startled me."
"Okaaay stalkerrr."
"What? It was my first day picking up lockboxes so I remembered it."

Threw in a backhanded compliment for good measure.
"Wow. You have beautiful penmanship for a lefty. My cousin is left handed and her handwriting is terrible."

I love seeing reversals in Game. I believe Tuthmosis uses something similar on white knights, telling them that women are empowered and fully capable of making their own sexual decisions.

[Architekt]

I can imagine completely flipping out, throwing out whatever words some cockblocker gives me straight back at her, then turning back to the girl and continuing, entirely calm, and continuing as if nothing happened at all, while the CBer is standing there dumbfounded. Interesting technique, sounds like a bit of fun, at the very least.

[The Beast1]

This type of trick also works on neutralizing Jezebel and SWPL types in a blue pill/red pill argument.

Arguing with logic against them does not work. If you can tie an emotional connection in with logic you WIN.

For example,

*In response to me saying that allies can definitely understand and help the problems of disaffected minorities. She became a very angry black girl *

"Look, it's called empathy. A small part of me understands the frustration you're going through. However, the level of creepiness that is being emitted from you is similar to the same rantings of a 1950s man telling other women how to dress."

Tie emotion in with the very thing they hate and BAM you've won an argument against a feminist. Fighting them with logic is useless, fighting them with their same tactics is very powerful.

The basic PUA rule of all this is really just getting the girl to qualify herself.

(06-20-2013 08:03 AM)Statsi Wrote:  

I've never thought to use it on a girl I've already got in rotation though, I'd rather leave them better than when I met them than shame them into what I want them to be.

I agree. I would only use these tactics on girls whose hamsters are in over drive. My GF is a prime example of this. If you're picking your girls alright and the crazy hamster is a cuddly manageable one, than I would suggest you not use these lines. You can really change a girl's behavior using tactics like this. Don't create damaged goods.

[Architekt]

"You know what's creepy? Trying to find the ways that women are oppressed in every single scenario involving a man. Either you've got some sick fantasies of your own about rape and oppression running around your head, or you're just genuinely an idiot"

I want to throw something like this at a feminist now, just to see the reaction..

Of course, that could be followed by how they're really their own worst enemy, but trying to explain the logic behind that would be pointless

[The Beast1]

(06-20-2013 11:08 AM)Architekt Wrote:  

Of course, that could be followed by how they're really their own worst enemy, but trying to explain the logic behind that would be pointless

Most of it has no logic. There is no basis for it other than trying to elicit a knee jerk reaction.

I am definitely seeing this as an opportunity to turn the tides gentlemen.

[His Imperial Majesty]

(06-20-2013 11:08 AM)Architekt Wrote:  

"You know what's creepy? Trying to find the ways that women are oppressed in every single scenario involving a man. Either you've got some sick fantasies of your own about rape and oppression running around your head, or you're just genuinely an idiot"

You’re definitely onto something here. The only thing I would change is using idiot at the end.

Unlike men, women’s self worth is not tied up in how intelligent they are. I like creep though as it's a good reverse of the script and will catch her off guard, just as calling a stripper a pervert always scores.

[Que enspastic]

this is such a creepy thread. you guys are creeps.

[The Beast1]

(06-20-2013 12:05 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

this is such a creepy thread. you guys are creeps.

Uhh, you're acting rapey

[Architekt]

I think it's more the fact that it's a direct insult towards them, rather than an argument against whatever words they spew out, that matters.

[vinman]

I was at the house of a girl that I'm seeing, and somehow we ended up on celebrities. I asked her if we were married and you could get a free pass to sleep with a celebrity who would it be? Her response was "I don't know. I would have to think about it". My response was, "no, that's not slutty at all". Her jaw dropped and she asked who I would pick, and I just blurted out a name. Shortly thereafter she moved closer and I got the bang.

[Millz]

I have no clue why the words creep or weirdo are so powerful against females but they work what can I say

[Sonsowey]

Weird is the one I hear and use the most, coopting feminist language.

Weird usually never means strange, usually its more like mean or disagreeable. Anyone who starts contradicting a feminist or arguing a point is "weird."

For instance one time a chick was telling me she would never live in one neighborhood and preferred another cause she felt safer there. Except the neighborhood she preferred literally had a murder rate 10x higher than the one she "felt" was dangerous. She thought it was ttoally "weird" that I would point that out...

[Therapsid]

These words just express how anti-social young girls are today. Anybody who remembers the 80's or has watched John Hughes flicks knows that terms similar to weird or creepy would only be used on social rejects like nerds. A normal, socially adjusted, decent-looking guy wouldn't be called weird or creepy because of a single momentary sensation of discomfort.

I can see the value in coopting these terms, but I only hope that this sort of thing instead of reinforcing their use, renders them impotent.

[phoenixhr]

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I have no clue why the words creep or weirdo are so powerful against females but they work what can I say

I hear it all the time in the teenage aimed shows and nighttime girl garbagr my daughter watches. Nothing good is associated with them and their brain immediately halts because someone associated them with their image in their head media has trained them to associate with people they shouldn't like. It's a great shame pulled off right. I use it on strippers all the time now.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(06-20-2013 11:08 AM)Architekt Wrote:  

"You know what's creepy? Trying to find the ways that women are oppressed in every single scenario involving a man. Either you've got some sick fantasies of your own about rape and oppression running around your head, or you're just genuinely an idiot"

I want to throw something like this at a feminist now, just to see the reaction..

Of course, that could be followed by how they're really their own worst enemy, but trying to explain the logic behind that would be pointless

This. Someone who constantly brings up rape, sexual assault, child abuse, etc. IS creepy. Doesn't matter if they're trying to "help" or whatever. It is a reflection that their minds are warped with perversion and they need to be told that. The average person is not think about rape 24/7.

[MrXY]

I use "creepy", "creeper", and "pervert" and similar on girls all the time. It flips the script and is very effective at putting them on the defensive, and as Roissy once said- gina tingles are born in a defensive crouch

[horn]

(06-21-2013 02:14 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

I use "creepy", "creeper", and "pervert" and similar on girls all the time. It flips the script and is very effective at putting them on the defensive, and as Roissy once said- gina tingles are born in a defensive crouch

Since Mr XY spilled the beans, I'll agree and amplify. Using 'pervert' on a girl has worked very many wonders for me over the years. It's multi-purpose and let's face it, most girls are perverts.

[MrXY]

Don't forget to say she's "stalking" you if she keeps "accidentally" standing around near you and to accuse her or trying to "molest" you when you're making out. They love it.

[esperar]

I call girls I don't like creepy too. That and crazy, insane, psychotic. It's hilarious.