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I recently started an LTR w/ a decent HB8.5 but I am having second thoughts. I have noticed that she is getting very comfortable (stopped working out, doesn't shave her legs as often, and other things Roosh has mentioned regarding how relationships make people lazy) and its not attractive. I mentioned it to her the other day, casually, and she went running after I left... but that was it. I am starting to think that this is a sign I need to look out for going forward with women. So, is it even worth it to try and have a relationship with these types of women? I don't like the laziness but I think I can rub off on her with my good habits. But, I'm not sure if that's really possible as it's a lifestyle choice... thoughts?

thanks

[sixsix]

(06-16-2013 03:00 PM)-g- Wrote:  

I recently started an LTR w/ a decent HB8.5 but I am having second thoughts. I have noticed that she is getting very comfortable [...] I don't like the laziness but I think I can rub off on her with my good habits.

Just make sure she doesn't rub off on you with her bad habits. That's where the danger lies in relationships: drifting to each other's lowest common denominator behaviors.

That being said, personally I think a committed relationship should only be for girls you could see yourself potentially be with for good.

If she's just hot but not the full package, have a sexual relationship without commitment. Besides the danger of 'rubbing off' you don't want to equate yourself to her, especially because hotter girls can find out about that and don't want to subsequently equate themselves to her by also dating you.

So fuck the girl (she is a 8.5 at the moment) but don't get invested.

[WestIndianArchie]

You're asking for relationship game, how to a get a chick to behave the way you want her to behave.

1) you can ask her
2) you can tell her
3) you can say nothing and lead by example

But those are pretty much just blue pill tactics. Communication bullshit you might see Dr. Phil recommend.

The red pill says a broad is gonna do what she's gonna do, until a bigger alpha shows up, and then she'll shape up. Her not keeping up her appearance for you is a sign that she thinks that she doesn't need to constantly and consistently please you with her body.

So if you're not doing the above what do you do
- pua - keep your skills sharp, which means spending time hollering at other chicks. You don't need to close per se, but you've got to keep your edge.
- red pill - get some side bitches, cause this broad is eventually going to fuck you over.

Which lead us to option D - Dark Triad

Only you know your chick's psychology, but you've got play on her insecurities at a subtle level.
- openly talk about other fit chicks
- "help" her make healthy food choices
- take a yoga/pilates class
- introduce her to your fit and fine female friends.

You've got to put the fear of leaving in her mind without actually saying it. And you're leaving her for a chick that's pretty and in shape. On an instinctual level, you want chicks to believe that you're just an animal responding to stimuli, And that she has to fight your biology not just your mind.

And above all, if this fitness thing is vitally important to you, you've got to be more than willing to lose her. And losing an 8.5 is not an easy thing to do. The rarity of someone that is 85% perfect to you is enough to keep you doing beta stuff like starting an LTR or letting her get fat.

Part of the red pill reality is understanding that you often have to be harsh/cruel in order to get what you want from a chick. You'd like to think that you can reason with her, but in general, it's her reptilian brain that's in charge, not her mammalian brain.

WIA

[Travesty]

(06-16-2013 11:24 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Only you know your chick's psychology, but you've got play on her insecurities at a subtle level.
- openly talk about other fit chicks
- "help" her make healthy food choices
- take a yoga/pilates class
- introduce her to your fit and fine female friends.

WIA

Exactly what I was going to say. I think the only shot you have is making her think she is losing the hypergamy game (see you raise your value while she lowers her own). You have to keep improving yourself and make sure she witnesses other girls wanting you that are on her level or above in the looks department. If that does not motivate her, nothing will.

Out of the blue pill tactics mentioned I'd say strong teasing about her lack of effort and how she can't keep up with you is your best bet. Even in this instance, if you give too many doses and you do not leave her this shows her that you are willing to sacrifice your own needs to be with her. It's a losing proposition and probably only worth quickly experimenting with.