[nek]

Need help trying to articulate a point I was making to a buddy:

Basically, there's a bit of a paradox in all this. First, you need to approach to pull ass. See this post below:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-22952-...#pid423309

I agree with this, but I also agree with the 'be the prize/have them chase you' principle. My buddy pointed out that this is a bit of a paradox as approaching means you're chasing them and not being the prize. How woud you explain this? I still feel both are right but I'm having a hard time articulating how both can be 'right' at the same time when on the surface they seem like opposing ideas. Thanks in advance.

[A War You Cannot Win]

I am the prize. By approaching her, I'm offering the chance to be included in my life for the small price of her vagina. If she doesn't want what I'm selling, oh well. Time is on my side, and it's merely a question of time before she greets The Wall.

[BLarsen]

I always find that making analogies to mundane/everyday things work best.

Imagine you own a home that needs a kitchen remodeled.

Not many contractors are going door to door, or approaching YOU about the possibility that you may need your kitchen remodeled. You have to go out and seek THEM out.

Would you feel bad about yourself because you had to seek them out? How would anyone know you needed this service performed?

Would the contractor be any less appreciative of your business because you approached him? He's spending money advertising that if you pay a fee that a service will be performed.

[Lights]

You can be a prize and make yourself available.

At the end of the day, your buddy's still gna be a loser. We're all just people.

[bojangles]

It's not a paradox, because many men don't approach women properly, those that do are 'prized'. Just by daygaming you would be showing yourself to be a 'prize' because 99.9% of men do not do it.

[Power_Ranger]

(04-22-2013 09:00 PM)A War You Cannot Win Wrote:  

I am the prize. By approaching her, I'm offering the chance to be included in my life for the small price of her vagina. If she doesn't want what I'm selling, oh well. Time is on my side, and it's merely a question of time before she greets The Wall.

But then she has Mike, Dave and Ben to choose from who may be better looking, taller, more muscular, better paid etc.

Women don't see it the way you see it. All they see is another guy giving them attention which is what you should be controlling and is basically the whole point of game from what I have learned.

[mental]

"Being the prize" doesn't mean to not approach and wait to be approached, that's just "abudance mentality" rationalization why you didn't approach. It means you don't care if she rejects your approach because YOU are the prize, and you don't care if you'll lose your LTR. Example:

#1: you wanted to approach or you saw a girl you wanna fuck but didn't approach - you rationalize "there's a lot of other girls, I can afford to lose this one"
#2: you wanted to approach or you saw a girl you wanna fuck, you approached but got shot down - you rationalize "there's a lot of other girls, I can afford to lose this one"

#1 is bad, #2 is good.

[Roosh]

Quote:

It’s doing everything you can to fuck girls, but not worrying if she doesn’t want to fuck you. It’s a subtle difference that, when understood, gives you the correct vibe to getting laid, of putting out a sexual vibe while not being needy, of being dedicated to your goal while being aloof, of being aggressive but always having the will to walk away. In any bar I’m sure I want to get laid more than anyone, but I walk away from prospects more often than any other guy, a behavior that actually gets me laid more than those guys. This is the paradox of game.

http://www.rooshv.com/the-paradox-of-game

[The Beast1]

At the end of my 9-5 work day, i personally am pretty damn lazy to make approaches.

In my eyes, it makes more sense to be as good as one could get. Occasionally at bars and house parties i will get approached by women. It's laziness at its finest, but i prefer this buffet approach. I seem to get a descent mix of 6-8s that approach me. I'm happy with that.

Approaching though is stupid easy. It is as simple as finding a girl and going, "Hey there, how are you doing tonight?"

She'll respond rather nicely, especially if you're a well dressed dude and seem alright. Vibes and body language.

Do what works the best for you.

[Marcellus]

It is not a paradox. An alphaman is attractive to girls by nature and they get approached by girls. Remember it are the girls who play the game. They are hardwired to manage relationships. Guys are hardwired to build the world.
In nightclubs you see hot girls approach guys; often guys that are surrounded by other hot girls or the guys with a high social value.

By direct approaching you show you have balls, but you also show your neediness and your low-value. If you had value you wouldn't be approaching to get chicks. You can notice the quality of the girls players get are average at best. I never have seen a player pull a highclass girl. Read Roosh his recent post about the Warsaw king. Roosh discovered this recently.

Most guys in the manosphere think they are alpha's. They are not. They are sigma's. An alpha does zero-work and gets girls by just being him. The girls approach him, they make they are introduced to the alpha. The alpha chooses. That's how nature and human relationships works. Even for Beta's this is true. How many friends or fathers have approached their girlfriend/wife themselves? It's the woman who put's the social construct to work to get the man of her choice.

That's why in environments with tight social cohesion (Portugal/Spain/Greece...) it's very hard to get girls by cold-approaching. In the US/UK where onenightstands and binge drinking are accepted this can work to pull 5's or 6's. Not higher.

[XXL]

there is no paradox.

pickup = shopping. when you're looking for a nice tv you approach a tv because you like what you see. you're not sold at all. you're just curious. so you check out its properties. harrass salesclerk to find out what's what. you do check what's on the market. you compare. and then you buy the best option. do the same in pickup. approach out of curiosity and screen like a motherfucker.

[WestIndianArchie]

(04-22-2013 07:49 PM)nek Wrote:  

Need help trying to articulate a point I was making to a buddy:

Basically, there's a bit of a paradox in all this. First, you need to approach to pull ass. See this post below:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-22952-...#pid423309

I agree with this, but I also agree with the 'be the prize/have them chase you' principle. My buddy pointed out that this is a bit of a paradox as approaching means you're chasing them and not being the prize. How woud you explain this? I still feel both are right but I'm having a hard time articulating how both can be 'right' at the same time when on the surface they seem like opposing ideas. Thanks in advance.

Prime example of the male hamster @ work.

Where the female hamster rejects all logic, the male hamster looks for logical fallacies so that he can trap his own brain in a loop and avoid taking action.

You see the same thing with
- process vs results
- canned vs improvised
- inner game vs outer game
- I need to build up confidence to approach vs approaching builds up confidence

There are plenty of people in the game, that believe in game, that are supporters of the game that are SABOTAGING the game.

But the most important Guy Fawkes, the one doing the most damage to the game - is usually the guy in the mirror. He's looking for any reason to not do the hardest thing in his life. Any reason.

Maybe some other guy can sit back at the bar and have hot bitches come up to him, (believe me, when you are that guy, those "hot" bitches really aren't that hot) but for 99% of us, we've got to do what is necessary to get on these hoes.

That means making money, working out, dressing better, approaching chicks during the day time, at night, at school, at work, at public transportation - and then when you get a tentative yes..or hell just a soft mamby pamby no - to push the interaction until your dick gets wet.

And you're never going to be able to coast. NEVER.

WIA

[DVY]

(05-01-2013 12:46 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Prime example of the male hamster @ work.

Where the female hamster rejects all logic, the male hamster looks for logical fallacies so that he can trap his own brain in a loop and avoid taking action.

You see the same thing with
- process vs results
- canned vs improvised
- inner game vs outer game
- I need to build up confidence to approach vs approaching builds up confidence

There are plenty of people in the game, that believe in game, that are supporters of the game that are SABOTAGING the game.

But the most important Guy Fawkes, the one doing the most damage to the game - is usually the guy in the mirror. He's looking for any reason to not do the hardest thing in his life. Any reason.

Maybe some other guy can sit back at the bar and have hot bitches come up to him, (believe me, when you are that guy, those "hot" bitches really aren't that hot) but for 99% of us, we've got to do what is necessary to get on these hoes.

That means making money, working out, dressing better, approaching chicks during the day time, at night, at school, at work, at public transportation - and then when you get a tentative yes..or hell just a soft mamby pamby no - to push the interaction until your dick gets wet.

And you're never going to be able to coast. NEVER.

WIA

[AneroidOcean]

(05-01-2013 07:49 AM)Marcellus Wrote:  

It is not a paradox. An alphaman is attractive to girls by nature and they get approached by girls. Remember it are the girls who play the game. They are hardwired to manage relationships. Guys are hardwired to build the world.
In nightclubs you see hot girls approach guys; often guys that are surrounded by other hot girls or the guys with a high social value.

By direct approaching you show you have balls, but you also show your neediness and your low-value. If you had value you wouldn't be approaching to get chicks. You can notice the quality of the girls players get are average at best. I never have seen a player pull a highclass girl. Read Roosh his recent post about the Warsaw king. Roosh discovered this recently.

Most guys in the manosphere think they are alpha's. They are not. They are sigma's. An alpha does zero-work and gets girls by just being him. The girls approach him, they make they are introduced to the alpha. The alpha chooses. That's how nature and human relationships works. Even for Beta's this is true. How many friends or fathers have approached their girlfriend/wife themselves? It's the woman who put's the social construct to work to get the man of her choice.

That's why in environments with tight social cohesion (Portugal/Spain/Greece...) it's very hard to get girls by cold-approaching. In the US/UK where onenightstands and binge drinking are accepted this can work to pull 5's or 6's. Not higher.

An alpha man generally does what he wants. He may get approached often enough that he doesn't HAVE to approach girls himself, but it's incorrect to say that the act of approaching girls precludes someone from being an alpha.

It's like saying that the best investors never pursue an investment opportunity on their own. They are so well known as great investors that all the best investment opportunities are just provided to them and if they are pursuing investment opportunities that they are precluded from being a top/best investor.

[thegmanifesto]

Usually when one is using the word "paradox", it is a sure fire sign that one is over-thinking things.

[Neuron]

Thinking about yourself as a "prize," is confounding, I think. I mean, there's nothing wrong with having respect for yourself, but it's also imperative that you be honest with yourself along the way because this translates into the best kinds of conversations that really allow you to show yourself off to a girl.

If you're artificially boosting your own value in front of girls (i.e. "gunna show this bitch I'm da pryze hurr hurr") then you're preoccupied with your perception and it will show. Girls who aren't retarded will also know you're acting because women put on the exact same "i'm da pryze" act every day of their lives.

[InfiniteFlowers]

(05-01-2013 06:01 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Usually when one is using the word "paradox", it is a sure fire sign that one is over-thinking things.

They out think themselves. That's why stupid men often have more success at the game. They're too stupid to realize how shitty, stupid and worthless they really are (so the critics would say....)- they just walk around confidently thinking they're awesome..... which in turns MAKES them awesome and confident.

It is not a paradox, the men calling it one are simply lying to themselves about the nature of reality.

[XXL]

also, the way one sees the problem IS the problem. mindset that the approach itself communicates lower value or some shit is only valid to the person with that mindset. cause girls like getting chat up. there's no reason why a normal looking, well groomed, well spoken guy would feel inferior to the girl he approaches.

that's classic pua issue cause they felt massively below girls so they came up with tricks/routines to make it look like girls gamed them.

[Ensam]

Yeah, no paradox for me.

There's nothing inherently low value about approaching someone. I like talking to pretty girls. I also know I'm smart, good looking and interesting. Every girl should be so lucky that I come over and talk to her. After I open it's on the girl to show me that she's cool enough to hang. I never approach a girl planning for it to go anywhere because I don't know if she's worth it yet.

[soup]

If you want girls to approach you, you a have to appear to be rich, tall, male-model, built, powerful, or famous etc.

Otherwise you are going to be approaching for the rest of your life, so get over it.

This is the truth about game.

[Aliblahba]

(05-02-2013 04:27 PM)soup Wrote:  

If you want girls to approach you, you a have to appear to be rich, tall, male-model, built, powerful, or famous etc.

Otherwise you are going to be approaching for the rest of your life, so get over it.

This is the truth about game.

Where did you get this idea, Mystery PUA?

[soup]

Girls are only going to open you if they think you have a lot of value. Does anyone disagree? How else are you going to be the prize?

So, unless they think that, you are going to have to open them.

[Aliblahba]

Girls will open you just from curiosity. You are putting pussy on a pedistal, then thinking you have to be on a higher pedistal for them to approach. When in fact you should be standing on the ground, with them below your boot heels.

You'll never succeed believing that PUA garbage .

[soup]

(05-02-2013 07:08 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Girls will open you just from curiosity. You are putting pussy on a pedistal, then thinking you have to be on a higher pedistal for them to approach. When in fact you should be standing on the ground, with them below your boot heels.

You'll never succeed believing that PUA garbage .

Yes, but what makes them curious? They don't open shit-stained homeless guys lying on the street like dead people, do they?

Is not fame the biggest attractant?

[Aliblahba]

Body movements, attire, accent, hair, bling, boots, travel stories, humor, interaction with others, drink in hand, ect.