[Andreas]

So this is my last year in school and I got some exams to do but for some reason I feel constant adrenaline in my body and I can't sit down and concentrate so I can study.

I don't go to face book, twitter (hadn't logged in for 8 months), I don't watch cat videos for hours. And certainly not eating junk food. I tried to do some exercise (push ups, kick boxing bag) but I still can't sit down and keep walking around the house contemplating on the things I could have done if I wasn't wasting so much time.

First time this happens at such extreme level. Is it normal?

[NY Digital]

Look up nootropics. Nootropics can help you to focus, improve cognitive function, memory, etc.
I'm surprised Nootropics aren't at all talked about.

Heck, first time I heard about it was 3 weeks ago. And that was online too.
Funny thing is, one of the reasons are probably because pharmaceutical companies can't get them to be prescribed and make a shit ton of money off of them. They are all non prescription and relatively safe.

I just started but for now, I take noopept and Sulbutiamine.
As for results from the nootropics, it's a very difficult subject because some work for you, some don't. People react differently to different chemicals and some stuff will simply not work. But the least you could do is try.

At the very least, you should get green tea and fish oil. I try to take those as much as possible.
Most nootropics, as with any drug, develop a certain tolerance but if you cycle every now and then it works.

different stuff works for different people though.

I got noopept 5g(several months supply) for $13 on Ebay, which is cheap considering it's a nootropic.

Sulbutiamine is a little more expensive but it increases motivation drastically, however it is the worst taste you will ever experience and have to dose it specially.

[Thomas the Rhymer]

No it's not normal.

Quit caffeine. (to deal with the withdrawal symptoms, drink sugar-free hot cocoa. It has enough caffeine to prevent withdrawal but not enough to give you a kick.)

Drink zinc.

Vipassana meditation.

Deal with whatever underlying psychological issue is bothering you, if that's the case.

You may also have an underlying medical condition such as hyperthyroidism and phaechromocytoma, you can ask a doctor to give you a good checkup.

[iknowexactly]

(04-14-2013 01:41 AM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  

No it's not normal.

You may also have an underlying medical condition such as hyperthyroidism and phaechromocytoma, you can ask a doctor to give you a good checkup.

Early 20's guys should learn that having a good doctor or nurse-practitioner is important.

Unless you have a body that's not going to break down and die like everyone else's. Aging prevention is here and there's a lot you can do. There's lots of things that can be off that aren't obvious until the damage is done and it's too late.

Blood pressure can be one, you can feel nothing and then one day stroke out and become a vegetable or disabled. Not fun. First major depression usually occurs around 30 and without treatment you'll have more frequent and severe relapses.

If you had a car, and it was the only car you would ever be able to own, and there were special preventive mechanics that spent years studying how to best maintain it, would you brag about how it never breaks down and how you never have to take it to the mechanic?

[Andreas]

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Quit caffeine. (to deal with the withdrawal symptoms, drink sugar-free hot cocoa. It has enough caffeine to prevent withdrawal but not enough to give you a kick.)

Believe it or not, I only drink water. I only tasted coffee once in my life and I haven't taken any energy or sugary drinks for months.

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Blood pressure can be one, you can feel nothing and then one day stroke out

That happened to a 19 year old girl on college and barely managed to walk out of the clinic completely healthy.

So I went to a psychologist and told me that one way of dealing with it is by expressing this problem (feeling) by first admitting it to myself and then to someone close to me (parents). For some strange reason it worked. It wasn't depression, just a normal "down". However, if I continually experience this kind of feeling eventually I will be depressed.

I feel much better now. I even sat down and read about 100 pages of book in 2 hours. It's a huge relief to know that this was temporary.

[NY Digital]

Please look into Nootropics and consider what i said. It'll make your life better.

too many people are unaware.

[WesternCancer]

I have the same kind of situation. I can't concentrate for very long periods of time.

To me its 2 things:

1) the energy has no focus, you have to force yourself to focus it. tell yourself "I'm going to sit down and study efficiently for 30 minutes or I'll punch myself in the balls" and do it. Whatever your excuse is it isn't worth it you just have to sit down and go. I actually find coffee helps me focus this energy.

2) theres usually some kind of reason you don't want to study. For myself I realized that the disorganization of my thoughts/lack of focus was me shutting my brain off because I was afraid of studying. I'd tell myself I only needed to put the minimal effort in because I can do average that way. I was scared of attempting top marks because what if I'd fail my self concept of being able to easily learn with minimal effort would be shattered. I could go to class pay attention, not even take notes. No studying and I could still get a low B. But what if I went hard and went for an A+. Is the B the best I could actually do?

[Thomas the Rhymer]

(04-14-2013 12:47 PM)NY Digital Wrote:  

Please look into Nootropics and consider what i said. It'll make your life better.

too many people are unaware.

There is no gain without pain, no benefit without cost, no up-side without a risk of down-side.

I've seen people destroy their lives with pills.

Some people do fine.

But some people use pills as an excuse to push their lives into even more unhealthy patterns.

And the long term consequences are still unclear.

In the 1920's, if a doctor said smoking causes disease, he would have been laughed off as a quack. At the time, smoking was seen as a healthy habit promoting clarity of mind and weight loss. It took a long time before the link between smoking and diseases became apparent. About 50 years, in fact.

So, if you constantly push your brain to work at peak performance, what will the consequences be? I don't know. These nootropic agents haven't been around long enough for obvious links to be apparent. Only long stretches of time will reveal these things.

Nootropics - use at your own risk.

I like to advise people to cut out all the unhealthy stuff in their lives and to fix fixable issues before resorting to pills. High blood pressure can sometimes be cured with complete salt restricition, diabetes can sometimes be cured with complete processed sugar restriction. It's called Via Negativa - finding health by removing stuff before you decide it's necessary to add stuff.

[Lights]

Thomas the Rhymer is right. I've used nootropics and theyre good.

But all is nought if you don't have your mind and body right.

If you train your body and commit to stillness and meditation it will dramatically improve your stress and attn span.

This will provide the foundation you need and find that maybe nootropics aren't even necessary.

Pills and supplements without physical training and meditation is a waste and a mistake. You'll realize later.

[Lazarus]

(04-14-2013 10:30 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(04-14-2013 01:41 AM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  

No it's not normal.

You may also have an underlying medical condition such as hyperthyroidism and phaechromocytoma, you can ask a doctor to give you a good checkup.

Early 20's guys should learn that having a good doctor or nurse-practitioner is important.

Unless you have a body that's not going to break down and die like everyone else's. Aging prevention is here and there's a lot you can do. There's lots of things that can be off that aren't obvious until the damage is done and it's too late.

Blood pressure can be one, you can feel nothing and then one day stroke out and become a vegetable or disabled. Not fun. First major depression usually occurs around 30 and without treatment you'll have more frequent and severe relapses.

If you had a car, and it was the only car you would ever be able to own, and there were special preventive mechanics that spent years studying how to best maintain it, would you brag about how it never breaks down and how you never have to take it to the mechanic?

What sort of tests should be running in your 20s etc? What is the most preventable things guys should be looking out for?

[Thomas the Rhymer]

(04-15-2013 01:13 AM)Lazarus Wrote:  

What sort of tests should be running in your 20s etc? What is the most preventable things guys should be looking out for?

This has to be tailored to the individual patient (which is why you should insist on a 30 minute consultation if you're going in for a detailed checkup, it takes time to do it properly).

As a rule of thumb, you can type in your values at this website:
http://epss.ahrq.gov/ePSS/search.jsp
And it will give you a list of possible checkups, graded from A (extremely highly recommended) to D (doubtful if it's really worth it).

The only general tests recommended for all young men in general and in their twenties would be blood pressure checks and blood sugar checks. From thirty on cholesterol is added to the mix.

[Parlay44]

Get an hour long massage once in a while.

[Andreas]

(04-14-2013 11:42 PM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  

(04-14-2013 12:47 PM)NY Digital Wrote:  

Please look into Nootropics and consider what i said. It'll make your life better.

too many people are unaware.

There is no gain without pain, no benefit without cost, no up-side without a risk of down-side.

I've seen people destroy their lives with pills.

Some people do fine.

But some people use pills as an excuse to push their lives into even more unhealthy patterns.

And the long term consequences are still unclear.

These nootropic agents haven't been around long enough for obvious links to be apparent. Only long stretches of time will reveal these things.

Nootropics - use at your own risk.

The main problem with pills is that they always fail when it comes to long term improvement. Pills only address the symptoms and not the root cause of the problem. Psychiatrists know this very well and yet they continue to sell pills. If someone has chronic depression the psychiatrist will prescribe pills (probably serotonin booster) to treat the problem meaning short term solution and long term fuck up.

But why should they care if their customers never solve their problems? As long as they come and buy pills from them it's fine. A psychiatrist listens to a person's "mental disorder" for 5-10 minutes and then immediately sends the patient to a pharmacy probably owned by the psychiatrists himself. He will probably make 10k+ profit by the end of the month.

Americans are led to believe that pills is the solution to everything in society. That's why drugs make record breaking sales in America.

[NY Digital]

Dude I didn't recommend getting pills from a pharmacist. In fact, I'm completely against that.

Those pills are designed for the long haul so people keep spending their $$ on drugs that will only sustain or temporarily fix their problems.

Please don't classify nootropics with prescription drugs. Learn the difference.

[Thomas the Rhymer]

(04-15-2013 11:44 AM)NY Digital Wrote:  

Dude I didn't recommend getting pills from a pharmacist. In fact, I'm completely against that.

Those pills are designed for the long haul so people keep spending their $$ on drugs that will only sustain or temporarily fix their problems.

Please don't classify nootropics with prescription drugs. Learn the difference.

A pill is a pill is a pill.

You cannot get Effects without Side-effects. If it doesn't have side-effects, it's probably because it doesn't have effects, period.

Besides, do you really believe that Big Pharma is not manufacturing your nootropic pill?

The Big Pharma companies saw the writing on the wall, moved in and bought out all the nutrition, vitamin, supplement and alternative medicine companies.

Now whether you get it by prescription or over the counter or from some herbal shop... it's all supplied by Big Pharma.

I don't think people realise how widely these companies have spread their net.

If it comes in a capsule or tablet form, chances are a major pharmaceutical company their dirty fingers in it, regardless of how 'natural' or 'alternative' the marketing behind it is.

They've hedged their bets. If even people abandon doctors and prescription meds, they will still take their alternative homeopathic meds, which are made by the same company.

Wake up, people.

They've built a machine designed to consume you while pretending to help you.

Fight back. Take control of your health and lifestyle. Eat right. Exercise. Lift Weights. Run. Don't overwork. Love. Laugh. Breath. Enjoy the sunshine. Talk. Socialise. Take a day off from time to time. Relocate if you have to. And if you are still ill, get all the information on the table, consult widely, and don't assume anyone knows everything about a given topic or intervention. Look at the risks, look at the benefits, take a deep breath and flip the coin, because the outcome (especially the long-term) of any medical intervention will at times be unpredictable.

Put your faith in yourself, and not in whatever wonder comes in pill form.

[NY Digital]

Again, I never claimed it was pill form.

I buy in powder form. I don't buy on the urge of my doctor nor do I buy from some complex marketing gimmick.

I buy from people's reports of experiences and their effects and side effects.


Everything we eat nowadays has crap in it. The food you're eating is processed gunk.

Yeah I do all of those things, still have problems focusing sometimes, that's why I've been enhancing with nootropics.

BTW piracetam, a popular nootropic, has been in use since the 1970s and several European countries use the "drug". It has undergone several tests and rigorous research.

Most of the chemicals you're ingesting today from food is worse than Piracetam will ever be.

You're giving advice that everyone already knows. Eat healthy, workout, everything will be fine. No it won't be. A lot of people(including myself) have problems focusing as well as others can). It's called genetics. I don't have to live with my genetics screwing me over when I can improve my lifestyle and live life at peak.

[Teedub]

I have so much excess adrenaline it is unreal, and I absolutely hate it. My body doesn't differentiate between fear and excitement (anticipation) so often I feel panicky about things I should be happily excited about. I used to take anti-anxiety pills but they also lower your inhibitions and increases impulsivity which led to me to do some very stupid things. I haven't taken them for years, but nevertheless thought I'd share my input.

I also no longer like the idea of fucking with my brain in that way. The best way to combat it is short bursts of intense exercise (boxing I like) or long walks.

Regarding attention span, it isn't an issue for me, AS LONG AS it is something I can make myself interested in. If I put as much effort into researching my stuff at Uni as I do with manosphere stuff, I'd have walked away with a First no problem!

[Giovonny]

For stress:

Do less, think less, lower my responsibilities and work load.

Get into nature, cook my favorite meal, bang my woman, smoke weed, play ball, get a massage, meditate.

Watch comedy, call my mom. Swim.

Identify the things that release your stress. Do them.

For low attention span:

Only do things that I am really passionate about.

If you can't pay attention to it, then you probably don't care about it.

Only do things that you really care about.

Live with massive amounts of passion.

Identify the things that you really love to do, do them.

You will have no problem paying attention.

[NY Digital]

Yeah but sometimes we have to do things we don't care about/..

[Giovonny]

(04-15-2013 02:25 PM)NY Digital Wrote:  

Yeah but sometimes we have to do things we don't care about/..

Like what???

I rarely do things that I don't care about.

I'm very self-ish.

If I don't care about it, I refuse to do it.

[NY Digital]

(04-15-2013 02:27 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(04-15-2013 02:25 PM)NY Digital Wrote:  

Yeah but sometimes we have to do things we don't care about/..

Like what???

I rarely do things that I don't care about.

I'm very self-ish.

If I don't care about it, I refuse to do it.

Good that you manage that.

But sometimes in life you have to do things you don't like so that one day you could finally end up doing what you do like. Doing menial tasks such as accounting for even your most passionate business idea is something you may dislike, but still have to do.

You can't just say no to the things you have to do to ensure your business, or lifestyle is successful.

[Thomas the Rhymer]

(04-15-2013 01:27 PM)NY Digital Wrote:  

Again, I never claimed it was pill form.

I buy in powder form.

...

You're giving advice that everyone already knows. Eat healthy, workout, everything will be fine. No it won't be. A lot of people(including myself) have problems focusing as well as others can). It's called genetics. I don't have to live with my genetics screwing me over when I can improve my lifestyle and live life at peak.

Well, I maybe wrong, and I frequently am, but if you don't mind, I'd like to bounce these ideas around the forum:

Firstly: A pill is just powder that has had some solidifying agents added; maybe powder is purer but it's still a processed manufactured thing. It's still made by Big Pharma.

Secondly, I'm happy for you. I'm happy you've found something that works for you. That's great.

But you are telling people to take nootropics based on what you admit is only 3 weeks experience.

Come back to us in 3 years and then I'll let you get away with telling us how awesome they are. When you have real personal experience that you can share with us. When you can tell us all the good things and the bad things and all highs and lows with gory detail.

3 weeks doesn't count when it comes to discussing mind-altering drugs, whether it be powder or pill or tea or joint or patch or whatever. It's fine if you want to test it on yourself, but why push other people into that direction? Not everyone has your bad genetics. Some people just have bad lifestyles to adjust.

[NY Digital]

(04-15-2013 02:39 PM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  

3 weeks doesn't count when it comes to discussing mind-altering drugs, whether it be powder or pill or tea or joint or patch or whatever. It's fine if you want to test it on yourself, but why push other people into that direction? Not everyone has your bad genetics. Some people just have bad lifestyles to adjust.

People have been using Piracetam for more than 40 years.

No I don't have much experience with it. But there are plenty of people online that have reported long term positive results.

http://www.longecity.org/forum/forum/169-brain-health/

There you go. that's where I learned most of what I know. From actual people taking it for months and years.

Since I obviously have no right to voice my opinion perhaps they could convince you otherwise.

[Giovonny]

(04-15-2013 02:36 PM)NY Digital Wrote:  

But sometimes in life you have to do things you don't like

Yes, of course, I know what you mean. I have to go to work when sometimes I don't want to.

My point is to minimize the things you DON'T like doing and maximize the things you do like doing.

But, we all need to sacrifice, sometimes.

I actually sacrifice making sacrifices. Meaning that I try not to make any sacrifices.

I try to do exactly what I want. TODAY. As best I can.

(04-15-2013 02:36 PM)NY Digital Wrote:  

so that one day you could finally end up doing what you do like.

I don't like waiting til "one day".

I want to do it TODAY.

Try making less sacrifices. You might be happier..

Live for yourself not others.

People only "sacrifice" because they HAVE to, not because they WANT to.

[clever alias]

attention span is literally like a muscle, ypu can train to improve it.
start with 20 minutes of full focus on the task, push yourself to ignore everything else. then take a 2 minute break. repeat.

and people have to sacrifice all the time. i love being able to speak/write chinese, but memorizing characters is miserable. just like playing mozart is awesome but you still need to practice scales