[Giovonny]

(04-11-2013 03:04 PM)DBCooper Wrote:  

Everyone is different, that's the key thing to remember about any of this.

Yes, we all have different bodies and have to learn the best methods for our bodies.

(04-11-2013 03:04 PM)DBCooper Wrote:  

For me personally, I noticed my biggest gains when I got a little fatter at the same time

This is what I have learned from this thread.

If I want to get alot bigger, I will have to eat more and get a little fatter. That will allow me to pack on more muscle.

Props to you and MikeCF for advancing my education.

[ryanf]

(04-11-2013 01:49 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 05:53 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 03:59 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Get your body the way you want it. Buy clothes that fit. Keep your body that way.

Why the need to swing back and forth between big and small???

Why not just get your body the way you want it and keep it that way???

[I'm actually working on a post about the "10 Commandments of Bulking."]

That's fine if you wanna look "fit."

If you wanna be a big boy, it doesn't work that way.

Your body doesn't magically partition nutrients towards muscle. It's like you add 500 kcals a week and all 500 go towards muscle. Some is gonna hit fat cells, too.

Your body is going to take caloric excess and partition it to muscle and fat.

For most guys, you're going to gain 1 pound of fat to 1 pound of muscle. (You change that ratio if you already start off bulking super lean or if you're running some good drugs. Even with gear, though, you're gonna lay on some fat and the abs are gone.)

You're also going to lose muscle while dieting. If you diet smart, you'll lose 1 pound of muscle for every 3-5 pounds of fat. (Again, you can use clen and other stuff to mitigate this. But you're gonna lose muscle when dieting, gear or no gear.)

So if you want to gain 10 pounds of muscle in a year, you need to gain around 25 pounds of total weight. That's means you're gonna lay on 10 or so pounds of fat.

Most guys look the same in the gym year after year and that's because they never go through a period where they are "too fat."

If a person just wants to look fit or have a decent build, that's cool. A lot of guys are always switching routines, doing PX90, and just looking for a way to "work out."

The guys you see and think, "That's a big guy" have paid their dues in chubby boy land, though, and there's really no way around it.

Hmmm..Interesting.

I don't know much about bodybuilding? Is that what this is? A plan for bodybuilding? I think so..

So, basically, bodybuilders have to get fat before they can get in shape?

And, every year, they fluctuate between big and fat and then big and lean.

Thats a hell of a way to workout. But, if thats what you have to do to get really big, then good luck.

I just wonder, is this bodybuilding style really the right strategy for most guys?

It's so much eating, and you are fat half of the year. Is bodybuilding even that healthy of a lifestyle?

I guess it depends on the quality of food and the fitness level of the individual. I'm sure there are healthy bodybuilders and unhealthy bodybuilders. I see some guys who have huge muscles but also a permanent gut. And, some bodybuilders are ripped beasts.

I guess everyone has to find the diet/workout system that works for them.

Bodybuilding, endurance training, explosive training, sport specific training, general health maintenance, flexibility, etc.

I do it all as I need to. I am constantly tweaking my workouts to address the needs of my body and my current goals.

I have never wanted get really big. I'm not a big eater. I hate forcing myself to eat.

I guess thats is the point. I am not trying to be a body builder. I just train to be fit and healthy, with a body that most girls will like. If I ever want to get huge I will have to get fat first before a can cut into a more lean bodybuilder, I get it.

I just wonder of the OP really wants to be a bodybuilder?

Not at all, I've just always either been a fat average height guy or a skinny average height guy. Only recently have I been doing something about it, But I don't seem to put on any muscle at all unless I'm eating, which always puts some fat on me as well. If I had to choose, I would go with the sprinter type build vs the bodybuilder, but I have a hard time getting to either.

[DBCooper]

(04-11-2013 03:09 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(04-11-2013 03:04 PM)DBCooper Wrote:  

Everyone is different, that's the key thing to remember about any of this.

Yes, we all have different bodies and have to learn the best methods for our bodies.

(04-11-2013 03:04 PM)DBCooper Wrote:  

For me personally, I noticed my biggest gains when I got a little fatter at the same time

This is what I have learned from this thread.

If I want to get alot bigger, I will have to eat more and get a little fatter. That will allow me to pack on more muscle.

Props to you and MikeCF for advancing my education.

No problem.

I think I was a bit unclear in an earlier post when I said I was behind the lean gains guys. In the context of looking 'fit' yes, but in the interest of real bodybuilding mass then no.

Obviously, don't get fat for the sake of it - I'm not too picky about diet when bulking, but I tend to avoid soda,chocolate,crisps etc. because, unless I'm carbing up for a fucking brutal leg day those items are just processed foods with high sugar/salt and little in the way of protein.

[Giovonny]

(04-11-2013 05:08 PM)ryanf Wrote:  

(04-11-2013 01:49 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I just wonder of the OP really wants to be a bodybuilder?

Not at all

So, you do not want to be a bodybuilder.

Are you just trying to get as big as you can?

You said you would rather have a sprinters build. This method of "bulking/cutting" is more of a bodybuilder type of strategy.

If you want to look like a sprinter, I don't think "bulking and cutting" is the best strategy.

We can discuss strategies for looking like a sprinter if you want to..

(04-11-2013 05:08 PM)ryanf Wrote:  

Ive just always either been a fat average height guy or a skinny average height guy.

hmmm...

Why the big swings in weight?

(04-11-2013 05:08 PM)ryanf Wrote:  

If I had to choose, I would go with the sprinter type build vs the bodybuilder, but I have a hard time getting to either.

I think the sprinters body is easier to get and maintain.

There is no bulking and cutting. It is just a lifestyle that you live. Eat smart, train smart.

I can go into more detail if you want.

I have been sprinting up sand dunes at the beach. My body has never looked more like a sprinters. Of course, I lift weights and play alot of basketball and soccer. And, I do yoga and stretch religiously.

Here is a sample of my daily diet:

8am - smoothie (bananas, almonds, dates, coconut flesh, honey, protein powder)
9am - fresh fruits and nuts
10am - 5 or 6 egg whites, one or 2 whole eggs, scrambled with veges and tortillas.
1pm - fish, chicken, or steak tacos with brown rice and beans.
3pm - nuts and fruit or protein shake
6pm - another big meal (grilled chicken/fish/steak with brown rice and veges)(post work out)
8pm - fruit smoothie or salad
before bed - protein shake.

Related info:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-4585-p...l#pid58997

[ryanf]

(04-15-2013 05:20 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(04-11-2013 05:08 PM)ryanf Wrote:  

(04-11-2013 01:49 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I just wonder of the OP really wants to be a bodybuilder?

Not at all

So, you do not want to be a bodybuilder.

Are you just trying to get as big as you can?

You said you would rather have a sprinters build. This method of "bulking/cutting" is more of a bodybuilder type of strategy.

If you want to look like a sprinter, I don't think "bulking and cutting" is the best strategy.

We can discuss strategies for looking like a sprinter if you want to..

(04-11-2013 05:08 PM)ryanf Wrote:  

Ive just always either been a fat average height guy or a skinny average height guy.

hmmm...

Why the big swings in weight?

(04-11-2013 05:08 PM)ryanf Wrote:  

If I had to choose, I would go with the sprinter type build vs the bodybuilder, but I have a hard time getting to either.

I think the sprinters body is easier to get and maintain.

There is no bulking and cutting. It is just a lifestyle that you live. Eat smart, train smart.

I can go into more detail if you want.

I have been sprinting up sand dunes at the beach. My body has never looked more like a sprinters. Of course, I lift weights and play alot of basketball and soccer. And, I do yoga and stretch religiously.

Here is a sample of my daily diet:

8am - smoothie (bananas, almonds, dates, coconut flesh, honey, protein powder)
9am - fresh fruits and nuts
10am - 5 or 6 egg whites, one or 2 whole eggs, scrambled with veges and tortillas.
1pm - fish, chicken, or steak tacos with brown rice and beans.
3pm - nuts and fruit or protein shake
6pm - another big meal (grilled chicken/fish/steak with brown rice and veges)(post work out)
8pm - fruit smoothie or salad
before bed - protein shake.

Related info:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-4585-p...l#pid58997

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Why the big swings in weight?

Well, I was a super skinny kid and gained a ton of weight during puberty, so I was always a tad chunky since late middle school. Throughout adulthood, I would diet and gain it back from time to time. It was only about 8 months ago that I went down to slender and have kept it off (around the time I discovered this website and game).

I do have a partially endomorph physique, though. I can easily put on fat, but when I slim down, I have that nice v-shaped torso.

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We can discuss strategies for looking like a sprinter if you want to..

That would be awesome. I google around, but you never really can tell if the advice is bullshit. It's always biased towards either bulky / super lean, and frequently it's just trying to sell you some shit program. Would be nice to hear from someone who lives the lifestyle.