[Screwston]

(04-09-2013 06:22 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 03:33 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I would actually say they are one of the best places still, but you have to pick the right ones with good set ups and smoking areas.

The higher end, the better.

The G Manifesto keeps it real. For the average guy with only mediocre game, the club may not be the best place, but for a guy with good game and some shit going on, a club is not a bad prospect. Finding the right club is definitely key, but just because there are a lot of shitty clubs doesn't make a club a bad place to meet/pick up women. That's on the guy.

The type of guy that says a club is not a good place is the type of guy that is looking for a specific type or who doesn't understand and has zero mastery of the club. This is the same guy that thinks the following:

P = Problem
R = Real Problem

P: Clubs suck, I have to wait in line.
R: You didn't get there early enough, you came with five fucking dudes, you didn't pick the right venue, or your social game/lock down game is WEAK.

P: Clubs suck, it's too loud you can't talk to any girls.
R: You don't find the best places IN the loud clubs to talk to girls and take advantage of them. Smoking patios, restroom lines, VIP areas, etc.. or again you didn't pick the right venue.

P: Clubs suck, the drinks are too fucking expensive!
R: You didn't take care of logistics and pre-party beforehand or have the swish swish smoothness to order a coke on the down low, swing it by the bathroom or a dark corner of the place and pour yourself some from your flask. Or you need a better job. Or your social/lock down game is WEAK hence your drinks are expensive and weak.

P: Clubs suck, I hate bouncers, they're such dicks.
R: You're acting like a fucking idiot and letting yourself get into confrontations OR you're acting like a fucking idiot and creeping on girls hard.

P: Clubs suck, you can't get to know any quality girls.
R: Have you gone to a club before? Are you not a quality dude? You're a fucking idiot to think that nobody quality goes to a FUN SOCIAL SITUATION where they can relax and dance or rock out to music while laughing and having a good time. I have met TOTAL sluts who are worthless trash and I have met COMPLETE prudes who are successful and everything in between...at the SAME popular spot on the SAME DAMN NIGHT.

P: X and Y suck.
R: You suck.

Take that talk to this thread
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-14700.html

[Matt3B]

I prefer bars to clubs, it has the best of everything: an area for dancing, sofas, the bar, occasionally a couple of floors or more and the music isn't as loud. We have a great routine we run in bars where we don't have to do the approaching, girls approach us and we know the bar staff so get quick service, free shots, etc.

I don't know why so many guys think they can go out and just wing it to be successful. It can be done, sure, but you want the best then you've got to prepare. I've lost lays trying to work out logistics such as when to leave, how to get home, taking too long to get and drink and all that shite and it's caused such a fuss for the girl that she's lost interest.

We get in early, we chat to the bar staff, we set up where we want to sit which gives us the most exposure and then it all falls into place. Everything is preordained. It doesn't just happen, we know how it's going to happen and when it's going to happen. We're in control, how many other guys can go into a bar and genuinely say the same?

Like everything, you have to plan.

[thegmanifesto]

(04-09-2013 06:22 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 03:33 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I would actually say they are one of the best places still, but you have to pick the right ones with good set ups and smoking areas.

The higher end, the better.

The G Manifesto keeps it real. For the average guy with only mediocre game, the club may not be the best place, but for a guy with good game and some shit going on, a club is not a bad prospect. Finding the right club is definitely key, but just because there are a lot of shitty clubs doesn't make a club a bad place to meet/pick up women. That's on the guy.

The type of guy that says a club is not a good place is the type of guy that is looking for a specific type or who doesn't understand and has zero mastery of the club. This is the same guy that thinks the following:

P = Problem
R = Real Problem

P: Clubs suck, I have to wait in line.
R: You didn't get there early enough, you came with five fucking dudes, you didn't pick the right venue, or your social game/lock down game is WEAK.

P: Clubs suck, it's too loud you can't talk to any girls.
R: You don't find the best places IN the loud clubs to talk to girls and take advantage of them. Smoking patios, restroom lines, VIP areas, etc.. or again you didn't pick the right venue.

P: Clubs suck, the drinks are too fucking expensive!
R: You didn't take care of logistics and pre-party beforehand or have the swish swish smoothness to order a coke on the down low, swing it by the bathroom or a dark corner of the place and pour yourself some from your flask. Or you need a better job. Or your social/lock down game is WEAK hence your drinks are expensive and weak.

P: Clubs suck, I hate bouncers, they're such dicks.
R: You're acting like a fucking idiot and letting yourself get into confrontations OR you're acting like a fucking idiot and creeping on girls hard.

P: Clubs suck, you can't get to know any quality girls.
R: Have you gone to a club before? Are you not a quality dude? You're a fucking idiot to think that nobody quality goes to a FUN SOCIAL SITUATION where they can relax and dance or rock out to music while laughing and having a good time. I have met TOTAL sluts who are worthless trash and I have met COMPLETE prudes who are successful and everything in between...at the SAME popular spot on the SAME DAMN NIGHT.

P: X and Y suck.
R: You suck.

Good post.

Yeah, clubs have to be done right. There is very little forgiveness.

That is why I always ask people on here the names of clubs and which nights are best.

It makes all the difference in the world.

[dotbiz]

(04-09-2013 01:37 PM)houston Wrote:  

Yep I made a thread saying the same exact thing. Maybe clubs were different in the 90's. I don't know. They're horrible in 2013 though. Packs of guys rolling together, groups of girls taking pictures for Facebook, overpriced drinks, asshole bouncers who need a baseball bat smack to the face, wack music.

In 95% I pull from the clubs. But lately for below reason I came to the conclusion that I'll have to start day gaming.

Since my lifestyle during the week revolves around my home, the office, my car and the (small) gym I'll have to change my daily routines and spend more time in the streets and shopping centers.

(04-09-2013 06:22 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

P: Clubs suck, you can't get to know any quality girls.
R: Have you gone to a club before? Are you not a quality dude? You're a fucking idiot to think that nobody quality goes to a FUN SOCIAL SITUATION where they can relax and dance or rock out to music while laughing and having a good time. I have met TOTAL sluts who are worthless trash and I have met COMPLETE prudes who are successful and everything in between...at the SAME popular spot on the SAME DAMN NIGHT.

A couple of months ago I started noticing that when I walk the streets the percentage of quality girls is higher than in the club. My theory is, that many quality girls are

• taken and don't go out that often
• are only single for a short time
  

while bottom feeder chicks are on the dating market for a way longer time.

Often when I'm in a club that might have 1000 people, I see maybe approx. 5 girls that I think are worth approaching. Three of them are there with their BF and the other two have 2-3 male friends around them trying to impress them.
Of course it totally depends on the club, but still the girls I'm genuinely interested in are very rare. Which makes it hard to not put them on a pedestal. Because rare goods that are in demand are always harder to get.

So most of the time I end up gaming 6 and 7s which is fun but doesn't give me that deep satisfaction an 8 does.

[thegmanifesto]

(04-09-2013 07:47 PM)dotbiz Wrote:  

Often when I'm in a club that might have 1000 people, I see maybe approx. 5 girls that I think are worth approaching. Three of them are there with their BF and the other two have 2-3 male friends around them trying to impress them.

Problem: Often when I'm in a club that might have 1000 people, I see maybe approx. 5 girls that I think are worth approaching

Real Problem: You need to go to better clubs. And more exclusive and smaller ones.

[guerrilla]

(04-09-2013 07:47 PM)dotbiz Wrote:  

• taken and don't go out that often
• are only single for a short time
  

thats exactly the downside to daygame. most chicks are either dating someone, or if they're single they quickly find a new guy through social circle.

And then clubs suck.

It's really a catch 22, once you realize that everywhere sucks for some reason or another, you realize the opportunity everywhere

[dotbiz]

(04-09-2013 07:51 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Problem: Often when I'm in a club that might have 1000 people, I see maybe approx. 5 girls that I think are worth approaching

Real Problem: You need to go to better clubs. And more exclusive and smaller ones.

This. Or move to another country.

When I was in Prague for one weekend I got opened by a US girl: "Wanna dance with me?"

When I was in Thailand I got opened by a cute and somewhat shy Polish girl (solid 8+, better than 99% of what I see in the local clubs): "I've been watching you for some time. Are you alone here?" (Unfortunately my girl was on the toilet and I didn't have the time to get the #)

When I was in Hong Kong I got opened by a French girl: "Hey, come dance with me!"

Where I live: As far as I remember I haven't been opened for years.

And this is from only one to a few nights out in those cities.

[UrbanNerd]

(04-09-2013 12:20 PM)LowerCaseG Wrote:  

Can we add "Chode Crystal" as an RVF alphaness/betaness level?

Yes, please. Let's stop that term right this second, before we have 1,001 threads and references to "Is this chode crystal?"

[Gemini]

Thanks for the repost XXL, it was fun to read and informative. The homeless story at the end made it worthwhile to read through the whole thing, what a dumb skank LOL. I have a few friends who are bouncers and what this guy said makes sense.

[XXL]

(04-09-2013 06:22 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

The G Manifesto keeps it real. For the average guy with only mediocre game, the club may not be the best place, but for a guy with good game and some shit going on, a club is not a bad prospect. Finding the right club is definitely key, but just because there are a lot of shitty clubs doesn't make a club a bad place to meet/pick up women. That's on the guy.

The type of guy that says a club is not a good place is the type of guy that is looking for a specific type or who doesn't understand and has zero mastery of the club. This is the same guy that thinks the following:

P = Problem
R = Real Problem

P: Clubs suck, I have to wait in line.
R: You didn't get there early enough, you came with five fucking dudes, you didn't pick the right venue, or your social game/lock down game is WEAK.

P: Clubs suck, it's too loud you can't talk to any girls.
R: You don't find the best places IN the loud clubs to talk to girls and take advantage of them. Smoking patios, restroom lines, VIP areas, etc.. or again you didn't pick the right venue.

P: Clubs suck, the drinks are too fucking expensive!
R: You didn't take care of logistics and pre-party beforehand or have the swish swish smoothness to order a coke on the down low, swing it by the bathroom or a dark corner of the place and pour yourself some from your flask. Or you need a better job. Or your social/lock down game is WEAK hence your drinks are expensive and weak.

P: Clubs suck, I hate bouncers, they're such dicks.
R: You're acting like a fucking idiot and letting yourself get into confrontations OR you're acting like a fucking idiot and creeping on girls hard.

P: Clubs suck, you can't get to know any quality girls.
R: Have you gone to a club before? Are you not a quality dude? You're a fucking idiot to think that nobody quality goes to a FUN SOCIAL SITUATION where they can relax and dance or rock out to music while laughing and having a good time. I have met TOTAL sluts who are worthless trash and I have met COMPLETE prudes who are successful and everything in between...at the SAME popular spot on the SAME DAMN NIGHT.

P: X and Y suck.
R: You suck.

Awesome. Exactly my thoughts.

Oh and my favorite..
P: clubs are pretentious, chicks are fake, i'm better than this..
R: no sir, truth is, you simply enter the venue and start scanning the venue over thinking which girls are "worthy" to talk to and looking for a cute chick to trick into bed with you. with time it all ends up with you getting hypnotized by all of the lights and tall chicks in short skirts having a good time ignoring a little value leech like you. yup, it means you belong to the chode crystal gang






Meanwhile.. 102-year-old Rayfield Griffin says the secret to a long life is "no nightclubbing and all that business".

[t-macs]

I disagree. Some places do suck and it's not because x and y sucks because you suck. Everyone been saying America sucks for women, does it mean that all the guys suck? No we can still pull from America but the fact is it easier to pull from Eastern Europe and the quality of women is better. That's all I am trying to say. If given a choice , if always pick a girl that I met in broad daylight than chick in the club . And come on, you don't think MOST chiks are attention whores in clubs? But then again I am in Toronto , what do I know?

[Screwston]

(04-10-2013 09:26 AM)t-macs Wrote:  

I disagree. Some places do suck and it's not because x and y sucks because you suck. Everyone been saying America sucks for women, does it mean that all the guys suck? No we can still pull from America but the fact is it easier to pull from Eastern Europe and the quality of women is better. That's all I am trying to say. If given a choice , if always pick a girl that I met in broad daylight than chick in the club . And come on, you don't think MOST chiks are attention whores in clubs? But then again I am in Toronto , what do I know?

Xxl is in a different world (Poland). I don't think he has any idea how it is in America and Toronto clubs.

[dotbiz]

(04-10-2013 09:26 AM)t-macs Wrote:  

I disagree. Some places do suck and it's not because x and y sucks because you suck. Everyone been saying America sucks for women, does it mean that all the guys suck? No we can still pull from America but the fact is it easier to pull from Eastern Europe and the quality of women is better. That's all I am trying to say. If given a choice , if always pick a girl that I met in broad daylight than chick in the club . And come on, you don't think MOST chiks are attention whores in clubs? But then again I am in Toronto , what do I know?

I second that. The "American women suck" analogy explains it best.

(04-10-2013 07:27 PM)houston Wrote:  

Xxl is in a different world (Poland). I don't think he has any idea how it is in America and Toronto clubs.

That probably changes everything. I'll be in Poland for a couple of weeks in summer and will see how it compares.

[eradicator]

Quote:

We're located in a bit of a "colorful" area. It's a bit higher crime, and there's a lot of crazy homeless people wandering the streets. It adds to the charm of the place.

Anyway, standard procedure is to deny homeless people entry. Sucks for them but they wouldn't be able to afford our drinks anyway. However, this seems to anger a lot of homeless people. One time I denied a crusty old dude entry, and he flips the fuck out in a schizophrenic rage. Obviously I still deny him, and he starts to walk away, screaming obscenities at me. So far this is all pretty routine. Then, about ten feet away from me, he just pulls down his pants and anger-shits on the sidewalk, in front of all the people standing in line, screaming like he's going to go Super-Saiyan. He pulls up his pants and disappears into the night

Yeah, that adds to the charm alright. wtf rest of the interview was money but that was just fucking sick.

[Ingocnito]

Where I'm from there are a few decent spots, but you have to do your HW before wasting precious time entering an establishment, blowing $$ on a cover to survey, etc. A few places in particular, where you see some of the finer talent on occasion, have bouncing staffs that just suck, and ultimately ruin the vibe.

I've seen my buddy get ousted for making the place pop off, turning the whole damn place into a happening party (lounge small club). He called some cockblocking bitch an expletive that no one around heard, she went to bouncers and tattled and they white-knight dragged his ass out. Dumb move for their establishment IMO.

No less, same bouncing staff works out at largest area gym and these clowns cock block full force during the day too. So gay.

I watched at the other place (a bar with dance DJ), a bouncer put on lifting gloves just to remove some dude who was slightly stumbling. He choked him from behind and dragged him out.. twice the size of this dude. And commenced to bloody the shit out of his face while the cop standing guard out front turned his head till he was done, then they arrested the dude after that. Again, total b.s.

Most of the bouncers where I'm from tend to think they're the shit unfortunately and unless you're a meat head and in their clan, they view you more as the competition for the pussy they never pull and drool over, rather than respectful bar clientele who make the market in the bar.

For this reason, I pretty much go for a 3-5 bar stop by semi-dive bars until I find one with prospectable talent... unless of course travelling elsewhere out of town.