[lush1]

(03-31-2013 12:27 AM)lavidaloca Wrote:  

If hes getting 100k+ a show why is his net worth listed at only 3 million...I suspect for special events they receive huge amounts but even looking at the top 20 DJ list to make the top 20 only required a net worth of 2 million. Not exactly outrageous. I suspect like many celebrity stuff the incomes are over hyped. I recall a site that listed contact information and booking prices a few years ago and as an example Aventura was asking 20k a show...they would obviously be performing in a stadium as well.

Even if we suggested the top 20 all have net worths of over 5 million which is contrary to what I read. There are more than 100 billionaires who are law graduates. Hence, with the amount of competition in DJing for a few guys getting big pay days it's hardly worth it.

The best at just about everything get paid exceptionally well. While djing sounds fun from a pussy perspective...most of those big name dj's appear to be older and by no means in their 20's. Quite a lot of risk to take, to make it if you ask me when they are sacrificing their 20's and in some cases there 30's to try and make it.

The mathematics of the claims of 100k+ normal for live shows doesn't make sense. A typical night club has maybe 500-1000 capacity. At 50 dollars a head thats only 50k. Obviously a bar owner would think thats a stupid investment. I imagine they get this to headline rare festivals.

Pauly D came to my old uni at a bar nearby a couple years ago at the height of jersey shore. May 200-300 people tops were there and tickets were 20-30 dollars (6-9k in revenue). Online around the time when I saw him dj it lists his fee as 40,000...logically that doesn't make sense. 40k for 9k in revenue?

Top DJ's frequently give live shows in the city I currently live at a local nightclub. The capacity is listed as 750 people. These guys often have shows for 5-20 dollars a head, this includes guys like Benassi. 20 dollars x 750 is only 15k in revenue.

You don't need to be anything like a big, well known DJ to get the pussy benefits it offers. You can be well known in just your town or within a particular niche for example or just playing in a certain club. This sin't that difficult to achieve again its not as much what you know more who you know. And anyone can get money together and start their own night, at which they can DJ.

[Pete]

(03-30-2013 02:02 PM)lavidaloca Wrote:  

Most of those guys pulling in 100k a show are seeing small percentage of that money...a quick internet search and kaskade for example has an estimated net worth of 3 million. If he did 1 show a week at 100k thats 5.2 million a year and surely he does more shows than that.

For those DJs to make it that far and get that amount of fame and recognition, someone has to invest in them.

You think a song or a mix by a DJ is going to be a hit without investing money in it? Impossible.

Someone has to invest, and most of the time that person gets 50% (if not more) from every show or income stream the artist generates. I mean, it's fair, they wouldn't have gone that far without the investmment in the first place... If it's a major label, they get 100% until you pay the money they spent upfront on you.

I know of a producer who spent $200,000+ on a song. Of course the song was a hit. But nobody thinks about the amount of money you have to put in. Everyone thinks the song was just so hot and it was a hit because everybody likes it. That would be true in an ideal world.

They just think fame it's easy to acquire all pretty and easy.

(03-31-2013 12:27 AM)lavidaloca Wrote:  

If hes getting 100k+ a show why is his net worth listed at only 3 million...I suspect for special events they receive huge amounts but even looking at the top 20 DJ list to make the top 20 only required a net worth of 2 million. Not exactly outrageous. I suspect like many celebrity stuff the incomes are over hyped. I recall a site that listed contact information and booking prices a few years ago and as an example Aventura was asking 20k a show...they would obviously be performing in a stadium as well.

Even if we suggested the top 20 all have net worths of over 5 million which is contrary to what I read. There are more than 100 billionaires who are law graduates. Hence, with the amount of competition in DJing for a few guys getting big pay days it's hardly worth it.

The best at just about everything get paid exceptionally well. While djing sounds fun from a pussy perspective...most of those big name dj's appear to be older and by no means in their 20's. Quite a lot of risk to take, to make it if you ask me when they are sacrificing their 20's and in some cases there 30's to try and make it.

The mathematics of the claims of 100k+ normal for live shows doesn't make sense. A typical night club has maybe 500-1000 capacity. At 50 dollars a head thats only 50k. Obviously a bar owner would think thats a stupid investment. I imagine they get this to headline rare festivals.

Pauly D came to my old uni at a bar nearby a couple years ago at the height of jersey shore. May 200-300 people tops were there and tickets were 20-30 dollars (6-9k in revenue). Online around the time when I saw him dj it lists his fee as 40,000...logically that doesn't make sense. 40k for 9k in revenue?

Top DJ's frequently give live shows in the city I currently live at a local nightclub. The capacity is listed as 750 people. These guys often have shows for 5-20 dollars a head, this includes guys like Benassi. 20 dollars x 750 is only 15k in revenue.

You fail to understand this business. You really think the only way for the club to make money is from the tickets?

90% of the time they lose money from ticket sales, but they make up for it with alcohol sales.

Even then, there's so many ways. No deal is the same. Some artists don't charge the venue but they only ask for all ticket sales, some ask for a fee+percentage of tickets, etc.

I'm booking a pretty known (up and coming) Reggaeton singer. I'm negotiating with him. He asks for $3,500 - 4,000 + airfare and hotel. It's reasonable since I've been to a few countries and have heard his songs on the radio.

While an artist may charge you $100,000 to sing at a concert in a big venue, that same artist may charge $10,000 for a club performance.

[lavidaloca]

Again, the original post suggested kaskade makes 200k per show. Even if he had to pay out 90% of that he'd be worth far more than the suggested 3 million. 20k a show assuming he does 2 shows a week and he has absolutely no endorsement sales, product sales etc is over 2 million a year.

I get that they make good money and charge different prices based on venue. But the point of my post was to get rid of this perception that these guys are all balling out of control. Because based on the facts it's far from it. A select few who have tons of success will become millionaires...but every other dentist you meet will be a millionaire as well.

Yes, obviously I realize being a local dj can aid someone in attracting chicks of course. This is common knowledge. I was only looking at the mathematics behind their suggested incomes.

[Drazen]

(03-30-2013 04:46 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 02:02 PM)lavidaloca Wrote:  

Most of those guys pulling in 100k a show are seeing small percentage of that money...a quick internet search and kaskade for example has an estimated net worth of 3 million. If he did 1 show a week at 100k thats 5.2 million a year and surely he does more shows than that.

Yeah, the math doesn't add up on this DJ sh*t.

I think the guys that get paid a million dollars a show, were paid that once or something.

I am still in shock that someone would pay a DJ that much.

How is the promoter/venue/event going to recoup those costs?

Charge $500 for a $25 bottle of alcohol?

[Drazen]

That $3 million net worth is made up. Just some "lifestyle expert" without any real financial data

[FourToTheFloor]

I"m a small time DJ and I have friends in the rave "festival" business, so I'll break it down for you guys.

Big name DJ's charge depending on how large the crowd of the venue will be. Whenever a DJ is making six figures on a show, its always at a festival. We're talking 10,000 people or more.

So if we play with some numbers for the kind of show my friends throw, it breaks down to being pretty lucrative:

20,000 people (small festival) at $100 a ticket (midrange price, I just paid $135 for a 2 night festival this summer) is $2 Million to pay for the venue, artists, lights and sound etc...


The Electric Daisy Carnival that happens in Vegas every June is an indicator of just how much money goes into this sort of business.

They have EDC on the inside of the Las Vegas Motor Speedway. They can fit 100K people inside there every night for 3 nights. Tickets for the weekend go for $300. You do the math.


Rah, I'll get a response to ya soon.

[thegmanifesto]

(03-31-2013 11:54 AM)PartyonBro Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 04:46 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 02:02 PM)lavidaloca Wrote:  

Most of those guys pulling in 100k a show are seeing small percentage of that money...a quick internet search and kaskade for example has an estimated net worth of 3 million. If he did 1 show a week at 100k thats 5.2 million a year and surely he does more shows than that.

Yeah, the math doesn't add up on this DJ sh*t.

I think the guys that get paid a million dollars a show, were paid that once or something.

I am still in shock that someone would pay a DJ that much.

How is the promoter/venue/event going to recoup those costs?

Charge $500 for a $25 bottle of alcohol?

Then you better sell about 2100 bottles before making a dime.

[Belize King]

Are we measuring how big a guys dick is? Whats the point of counting somebody else is money?

[Krauser]

Can a local-level DJ break down the pussy benefits for is? quantity, quality, effort, satisfaction, type of girls etc.....

[Ryu]

When Gabriel & Dresden were big...they got paid 75k in 2 hours while basically partying with the crowd most of the time.

[germanico]

(04-01-2013 12:22 AM)Ryu Wrote:  

When Gabriel & Dresden were big...they got paid 75k in 2 hours while basically partying with the crowd most of the time.

Nah, they got paid for pulling in the crowd.

Do you think they would have shown up for The Zonko the Klown Show?

[JayMillz]

(03-31-2013 07:58 PM)TexasMade Wrote:  

Are we measuring how big a guys dick is?

Hopefully, if you're a good DJ that won't be much of an issue.

[soup]

(03-30-2013 04:46 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 02:02 PM)lavidaloca Wrote:  

Most of those guys pulling in 100k a show are seeing small percentage of that money...a quick internet search and kaskade for example has an estimated net worth of 3 million. If he did 1 show a week at 100k thats 5.2 million a year and surely he does more shows than that.

Yeah, the math doesn't add up on this DJ sh*t.

I think the guys that get paid a million dollars a show, were paid that once or something.

I am still in shock that someone would pay a DJ that much.

How is the promoter/venue/event going to recoup those costs?

[DarkTriad]

(03-30-2013 12:11 AM)Mojorisin808 Wrote:  

Yea i heard he doesnt drink or do drugs, pretty crazy..since 99% of the crowd is on x or some other drug.

Its true hes up their at the top as far as DJ's go, Deadmau5 has some pretty sick stuff too, although he looks silly with that mouse head!

He looked sillier without it. Seriously, he is a very goofy, weird looking guy that nobody would have taken seriously, so he turned a negative into a positive by wearing a very marketable mask in a business that's mostly about marketing yourself.

Game recognized!

[Cr33pin]

I was a DJ in my shit small town. Its pretty good for banging drunk bar chicks. I made good money doing weddings, well over $100 a hour. If I lived in a bigger city I could have made a lot more money.

Last year I spent 6 months in Asia an wasnt keeping up at all with what people over here were listening to, now I dont feel like trying to go back an find an get those songs so I just havent done any Dee Jayin.

[Tuthmosis]

Damn I should've started a band!!!

[Tuthmosis]

Damn I should've learned martial arts!!!

[Pokerbaby]

Look at that little girl crying her eyes out because she had a glimpse of that Wife beater, John lennon.

[CJ_W]

(03-30-2013 12:05 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

The secret isn't being a DJ. There are a lot of DJs.
The secret is being one of the best at something.

That's like seeing this clip and saying "I should have been a soccer player."

Exactly, It took this guy about 15 years to get to this level.

Not just DJing, but also producing, meaning you need to know a LOT about music theory, and ear training (which is as hard as learning calculus) Audio Production (which is ridiculously hard) SONGWRITTING (one of the hardest crafts that takes YEARS to perfect) And THEN had to learn how to DJ (which is actually kinda easy but still you have to put the 5000 hours in that as well to be at a high level)

DJing at some shitty club, or bar is easy nowadays, but was a lot harder 25 years ago (when Tiesto started out).

A lot of people (ESPECIALLY low level DJs) think like the OP thinks "oh this is so easy blah blah blah" and them shoot themselves in the foot before they even start the marathon. Eventually they don't go anywhere, because of that attitude (which causes them to be trouble for the people booking them. . .ensuring they don't get booked again)

I've seen enough stupid people like this come and go because of this attitude.

They get no where NEAR anywhere. So yeah. . .please just stop while you're ahead.

On songwriting:

[CJ_W]

(03-31-2013 02:21 PM)FourToTheFloor Wrote:  

The Electric Daisy Carnival that happens in Vegas every June is an

Speaking of which, the guy who owns and runs is . ..

Just got married and gave his wife a 2 million dollar engagement ring...

I give him props for being that rich to put that much money on a ring, but facepalmed at him getting married to an American women. . .in America

This guy has EDC pretty much all over the states, like every other month or so, next month is edc Chigago

[CJ_W]

(03-30-2013 04:46 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 02:02 PM)lavidaloca Wrote:  

Most of those guys pulling in 100k a show are seeing small percentage of that money...a quick internet search and kaskade for example has an estimated net worth of 3 million. If he did 1 show a week at 100k thats 5.2 million a year and surely he does more shows than that.

Yeah, the math doesn't add up on this DJ sh*t.

I think the guys that get paid a million dollars a show, were paid that once or something.

I am still in shock that someone would pay a DJ that much.

How is the promoter/venue/event going to recoup those costs?

If you've been to a club. . .I'd imagine that you realize that corona you're drinking, that is probably priced at $10-15 depending on where you party is worth about 70 cents (you can get a 6 pack for like 3 dollars at the store or something. . .at least that's what it used to be when I used to buy them)

imagine about 15-20k people coming to see this guy at a festival or what not spanning a couple of days, with an entry fee of about 60-80 bucks. PLUS the money from alcohol (you can't bring outside drinks to the venue) Then add up all the money from advertising/sponsors of forbes 500 top-tier companies, add up money from peripheral sales of other stuff, certain percentage of profit sharing from surrounding hotels from a HUGE surge of customers booking spots for the event (which they in turn jack up the price for many many times over)

And probably a bunch of other stuff I'm missing at the moment, and you'll see where the money comes from.

Of course, there's a LOT of risk involved (which is why you need to buy insurance as well) but for organizing companies that are already making events of that level, They've pretty much worked out all kinks and can make an event with out incident. . .most of the time.

Clubs, festivals etc. . .are a B I G business that most people don't know about. . .because if they did, they probably would think that they're getting "ripped off" if they thought about it for more than five seconds. . .

But that's what girls are for

having girls at a venue like that (thank you super hypergamy) confuses reason of 99.9 percent of dudes. . . .and so on and so on.

Its one of the very FEW businesses that makes MONEY from this end game of feminist, you-go -girl-ism. etc etc.

the guys that make money off of this including the DJ/Producers that understand this AND are red pill (I personally know a few guys like this) Pretty much have the world on a platter.


Edit: What I stated is a REDICULOUSLY ABRIDGED VERSION of what goes on with these things.

It would take a couple of books to talk about all the stuff that happens with this.

Linked for relevance:

[Prophylaxis]

As an aside, It's funny how typically being a DJ was a super nerdy profession, and required insane amount of musical knowledge, insight and talent for beatmatching using vinyl. How times have changed..the ones that fill stadiums are nothing more than glorified jukeboxes.

Now there is literally a 'sync' button on most modern mixers and I know that many of the 'big acts' use pre-recorded sets - just fiddle some knobs and crossfade and everyone thinks they're amazing. Combine all this with excessive drug taking and you could put a vacuum cleaner to the mic and people would think you're 'killin it'.

/end rant

[soup]

(07-21-2013 02:01 PM)CJ_W Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 04:46 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 02:02 PM)lavidaloca Wrote:  

Most of those guys pulling in 100k a show are seeing small percentage of that money...a quick internet search and kaskade for example has an estimated net worth of 3 million. If he did 1 show a week at 100k thats 5.2 million a year and surely he does more shows than that.

Yeah, the math doesn't add up on this DJ sh*t.

I think the guys that get paid a million dollars a show, were paid that once or something.

I am still in shock that someone would pay a DJ that much.

How is the promoter/venue/event going to recoup those costs?

If you've been to a club. . .I'd imagine that you realize that corona you're drinking, that is probably priced at $10-15 depending on where you party is worth about 70 cents (you can get a 6 pack for like 3 dollars at the store or something. . .at least that's what it used to be when I used to buy them)

imagine about 15-20k people coming to see this guy at a festival or what not spanning a couple of days, with an entry fee of about 60-80 bucks. PLUS the money from alcohol (you can't bring outside drinks to the venue) Then add up all the money from advertising/sponsors of forbes 500 top-tier companies, add up money from peripheral sales of other stuff, certain percentage of profit sharing from surrounding hotels from a HUGE surge of customers booking spots for the event (which they in turn jack up the price for many many times over)

And probably a bunch of other stuff I'm missing at the moment, and you'll see where the money comes from.

Of course, there's a LOT of risk involved (which is why you need to buy insurance as well) but for organizing companies that are already making events of that level, They've pretty much worked out all kinks and can make an event with out incident. . .most of the time.

Clubs, festivals etc. . .are a B I G business that most people don't know about. . .because if they did, they probably would think that they're getting "ripped off" if they thought about it for more than five seconds. . .

But that's what girls are for

having girls at a venue like that (thank you super hypergamy) confuses reason of 99.9 percent of dudes. . . .and so on and so on.

Its one of the very FEW businesses that makes MONEY from this end game of feminist, you-go -girl-ism. etc etc.

the guys that make money off of this including the DJ/Producers that understand this AND are red pill (I personally know a few guys like this) Pretty much have the world on a platter.


Edit: What I stated is a REDICULOUSLY ABRIDGED VERSION of what goes on with these things.

It would take a couple of books to talk about all the stuff that happens with this.

Linked for relevance:

Great light show, but DJs are all just hype.

It's essentially two guys jumping around on stage playing pre-recorded dance tracks. There's no danger involved.

What's the point of paying to watch a show with no danger?

[CJ_W]

(07-22-2013 07:12 AM)soup Wrote:  

Great light show, but DJs are all just hype.

It's essentially two guys jumping around on stage playing pre-recorded dance tracks. There's no danger involved.

What's the point of paying to watch a show with no danger?

Heh, they should all just have a match to the death on stage while pre recording their sets. Their weapons should be old Vinyl records.


On a serious note. sure the act of Djing may have become easier, but DJ's are pretty much going the way of the Dodo. . .eventually they're going to just be producers who play their stuff on stage. Producing is infinitely harder than Djing on Vinyl ever would. Music theory, ear-training, production theory, is pretty damn difficult.

Its funny though It seems that a lot of people in the first world, view something more valuble the more "hard work" you used to achieve it.

Thing is this is flawed.

Replace "hard" with "Passionate."

Hard work doesn't get you anywhere, it just gets you a broken stressed body. Hard work is doing something you hate, and trudging along with it because you think you'll get some reward in the end. so we all believe that the "harder" we work the more we get. when its the opposite.

The more Passion we have for things we do, the more FUN we have at it(passion=fun pretty much) the more we get out of it.

This misunderstanding is the source for a lot of "hipsterism"

see, people who are Passionate about what they are doing, make it look easy! so the people who are not used to having something to do that tickles their passions feel that they are being "cheated" out of life when in fact, they are doing it wrong.

Doing something that you are passionate about is what provides the energy to get shit done.

People may think "oh well what about the people in the old days who "had to work lifting, constructing, etc etc. . ."

This applies there too. . .

When I was a student I worked my way through it, first I cleaned the school cafeteria kitchen at nights, taking out all the trash etc etc. . .

I LOVED that job. I felt really good while I was doing it, so time just flew by. Then I did stocking for that cafeteria, having to wake up at 4am to get there by five, meet the trucks of food, fill out and sign all the forums, put the food in the freezers. . .I loved that job too!

I like getting up that early , where it was quiet just before dawn, I loved interacting with the guys delivering the food that early in the morning, they had a great sense of humor, I loved the freezer and fridge, the smells of the foods was intoxicatingly great. I liked what I was doing, I had fun, and was passionate (about making money but still) I eventually got better and better jobs in college, untill I was pretty much able to pay my way through school etc etc. . .

To me it wasn't "hard work" I had fun. and got rewarded(graduating college without debt)

Because I had fun, I don't begrudge people who were doin what they truly wanted to do, and became successful for it.

Isn't that what this forum is for? Isn't that the dream of many people here and around the world?

If anything, the fact that THERE ARE people who have made their lives wonderful just doing what they love should be an INSPIRATION to everyone here, not something to hate on (I know you were joking soup)

Hating on successful people isn't what Red Pill men are all about.

BEING a successful person (without getting married in the USA), having a decent rotation of women to call up for sex whenever you please(simple game), and ENJOYING LIFE is what Red Pill, and really the MRA//MGTOW guys should be all about.

ONLY by leading by example will you guys change anything. Seeing women as the enemy, hating on successful people, wasting time trying to figure out race and racism, blaming Obama, blaming blue pillers, etc etc etc doesn't make you guys any better than the writers at Jezebel who talk crap but do nothing.

You guys don't seem to realize that they really have no power over you. We have a LOT of great info on this site (especially in the travel section) about all sorts of things to sink your teeth into, but yet many of us waste time "hating" on success.

You can't get anywhere doing that. It's time to BE success rather than hating on it. You guys want to DJ? go ahead, but make sure that you have a passion for it and for music/musicianship.

A LOT of guys get into music while hating on success, and thinking that "anyone can do it" when they fail to realize that making a great song actually has RULES. which takes time to learn. Except those same people take that as a rude awakening "oh what? you mean I can't just play a record my first time as a DJ and get millions of dollars and a harem of women?"

While I said that you have to have fun and be passionate about what you are doing to be successful, I didn't say that you would instantly get the fame, success etc that you want. People take this as a rude awakening, and don't realize that it took THOUSANDS of hours while being passionate about what they did to get where they are.

that means THOUSANDS of hours of HAVING FUN!

We only have about 85-100 years on this earth, why spend 90% of it hating success, and hating your life and the lives of others? Why not. . .

Have fun with you lives instead?

I am surely not the only one here who finds hating on success to be a waste of time do I. . .?

I am surely not the only one here who is BETTER than the "hipsterism"(i.e. hating on success - yes I said it again) and wants to enjoy life?

Surely I am not the only one. . .

Am I?

This is an example of what we need to be better than:

(07-22-2013 06:57 AM)Prophylaxis Wrote:  

As an aside, It's funny how typically being a DJ was a super nerdy profession, and required insane amount of musical knowledge, insight and talent for beatmatching using vinyl. How times have changed..the ones that fill stadiums are nothing more than glorified jukeboxes.

Now there is literally a 'sync' button on most modern mixers and I know that many of the 'big acts' use pre-recorded sets - just fiddle some knobs and crossfade and everyone thinks they're amazing. Combine all this with excessive drug taking and you could put a vacuum cleaner to the mic and people would think you're 'killin it'.

/end rant

IF you guys can't be better people than this, then you don't deserve success. As you can trivialize just about EVERYONE successful person using reasoning like this, and most people do. They rob themselves of the very success they seek.


P.S. oh and the "sync" button is on the CDJ's not the mixers, and they are so expensive, that 99.9% of clubs don't have them.

[Tuthmosis]

Damn I should've been a college student!!!