[avantgarde]

I just want to know differences between these two. It seems like they are pretty similar. I know Ukraine is way cheaper and easier to get in . How do Russian girls compare to Ukrainians? I know there are more varieties in Russia.
If I'm a little tight on the budget, is settling for Ukraine a good choice? But you do make a little more in Russia.

[presidentcarter]

Do more research - tons of stuff out there on this. Russia is vast so it's better to compare regions.

[Partizan]

(03-14-2013 04:21 PM)avantgarde Wrote:  

I just want to know differences between these two. It seems like they are pretty similar. I know Ukraine is way cheaper and easier to get in . How do Russian girls compare to Ukrainians? I know there are more varieties in Russia.
If I'm a little tight on the budget, is settling for Ukraine a good choice? But you do make a little more in Russia.

I second what carter said. There's a tonne of stuff on this forum and other fora about the two countries and the various regions. Its all there.

[avantgarde]

(03-14-2013 04:27 PM)presidentcarter Wrote:  

Do more research - tons of stuff out there on this. Russia is vast so it's better to compare regions.

Dude, that is why i said there are more varieties in Russia. I know there is 1st tier cities(St P, Moscow), western Russia(Volgograd, ...) South(krasnodar, Rostov-na-Donu), East(Vladivostok..) Ural(yekaterinburg, ....)
I'm talking long term yo, like a year or more for teaching. I already bought my ticket to Ukraine, but I'm curious and I'll visit Russia someday.

[Partizan]

My datasheet from Ekaterinburg is here - http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-19441....aterinburg

[avantgarde]

(03-14-2013 04:41 PM)Partizan Wrote:  

My datasheet from Ekaterinburg is here - http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-19441....aterinburg

REad that yo. I've read like almost every post about FSU and Eastern Europe. Yo. I just don't feel comfortable the fact I haven't visited Russia yet. In my head, fuck, if Ukraine is good, what is Russia like? I've been to Ukraine twice, but the feeling of not experiencing Russia is bothering me. Fucking hate the Russian visa and lack of cheap accommodations.
It is like an itch on my back, I want to see it.

[Marco]

Does EU citizen also need a visa to Russia?

[eldorado]

skip to russia and ukraine,,,if you look handsome and have some day-game experince, minsk/belarus would be your disneyland,,,
you just need to be careful not to fall in love

[presidentcarter]

(03-15-2013 10:31 AM)eldorado Wrote:  

skip to russia and ukraine,,,if you look handsome and have some day-game experince, minsk/belarus would be your disneyland,,,
you just need to be careful not to fall in love

Moreso than in RUS? Why?

[Greek kamaki]

I have analyzed the differences between Russian and Ukrainian girls extensively in other threads.
1.IQ:Russian women are way more intelligent.They are faster, know a lot of things and are relatively cosmopolitan. Ukrainian girls seem rather dumb in comparison. (I have written common conversations with Russian vs Ukrainian girls and you can see the differences)
2.Appearance:Russian look definitely better.Also huge variety in Russia.In general Ukrainian girls suffer from bad quality skin, thin hair and bad teeth.Much of this is attributable to malnutrition and lack of resources for care.
3.Personality.Russian can appear very high class.Ukrainian are generally low class except in Kiev.Ukrainian girls are simply not presentable.They are awful conversationalist while Russian are excellent.Russian know how to boost male ego and are excellent psychologists they can make you feel like king.With Ukrainian girls you aee in constant misery.Russian have more depth.They have more what we call the Russian soul.

4.Easiness:Ukrainian are surely easier for a variety of reasons mainly the sorry state of their economy and prospects compared to Russian.Russian economy is not worse than many EU member states like Poland.The opportunities for job and career a girl has in Moscow are far beyond imagination in any Ukrainian and often polish environment.
5.Sex:Ukrainian are better in sex.Especially in BJ where they have international reputation. Also many perversions, threesomes etc.Russian can be more cold and make a bit less effort on bed.
6.Costs:Russian cost double or triple.It is like comparing BMW to Fiat.Also high costsnin Russia due to artificially high rates of ruble play a role but Russian women are more demanding on vaccations in other countries as well.

In general the situation is:In Russia you pay more you get less but what you get is better.

[Belgrano]

(03-15-2013 01:43 AM)Marco Wrote:  

Does EU citizen also need a visa to Russia?

Of course, but it´s quite easy, for Austrians at least. Maybe it´s more difficult for other nationalities, I heard it´s somewhat harder for British citizens.
You should find everything there:
Visa policy of Russia

[AlbertoDelMuerto]

How hard is it to get a Russian visa? Is it true that you can only enter the country by invitation?

[sportbilly]

I have been in Russia loads of times (UK passport holder) and yes it is easy to get (in terms of not being refused), but lots of form filling and red tape bullshit.

Yes you need an invitation letter...but most hotels can sort you out with that. If you are not staying in a hotel, companies can arrange all the documents for a small fee......of course if you have criminal conviction for thrusting your pork sword in some under age Russiann teens arse.....no visa!

[fg13]

Similarities?They are Slavs and writte with the Cyrillic alphabet.That is about where the similarities end.To compare the scenery would be impossible as Russia has dozens of different regions.Both have many rather attractive cities and both have many important Second World War monuments.If you are an EU citizen you wont need a visa to go to Ukraine while you will for Russia.Ukraine is much cheaper than Russia in accomodation,food and alcohol.The Ukrainian people are less likely to be belligerent compared to the Russians and are generally more helpful.For the women now.Ukrainian women are usually taller than Russian women and slightly prettier.They both dress in the same way,have similar taste in makeup.Russian women are usually more feminine and ladylike when escorted.I must note that Russian girls in smaller cities are more similar to Ukrainian ones than to Russian girls of Moscow and St.Petersburg.

[avantgarde]

Now I'm in Lviv now, I'm thinking about visiting Russia in the summer though. Man, it seems like lviv girl prefer the more natural look and put less make up and even less heels.
Greek kamaki, if you got money, wouldn't your girl be able to maintain her looks?
If you guys want to know how to get a Russian visa, go to http://www.waytorussia.net/ and click on Russian visa.

[avantgarde]

Now I'm in Lviv now, I'm thinking about visiting Russia in the summer though. Man, it seems like lviv girl prefer the more natural look and put less make up and even less heels.
Greek kamaki, if you got money, wouldn't your girl be able to maintain her looks?
If you guys want to know how to get a Russian visa, go to http://www.waytorussia.net/ and click on Russian visa.

[Greek kamaki]

In Lvov the girls rarely ask for money.There are exceptions of course.In Eastern Ukraine they always ask meaning you are getting higher quality as well.

[Marvin]

Which city is better for Day Game: Kiev or Moscow?

[sportbilly]

@ Marvin....I would say Moscow is difficult for day game. English is more widely spoken in Moscow than any other Russian city (I would say), however, without Russian (unless you speak?) it will be difficult. I have been in Moscow many times...my best results their were by pipelining on VK / Mamba and language websites...chatting for at least 2/3 months before going, then converting those "chats" into meets, then into bangs (sometimes).

[TheHammer]

Ukraine is game to you?

But on a more serious note don't forget what country they are from. I was talking to a girl from Belarus and thought she said Russia for some reason. When I said something about her being from Russia she got mad and walked away.

[Cr33pin]

Bumping this, any new info or insight on this topic? I'm interested in hitting up these two once it warms up. Russia is a pain in the ass cause of the visa situation though... How much better is one compared to the other? What months are the best to be in either? Another forum member mentioned that Roosh said don't go to Odessa in the summer? Which is pretty much when I was thinking of going....

If someone who has been to both can chime in with a quick list of pros and cons I would greatly appreciate it and give you a internet high five.

[Aaron-]

Curious about this as well

[Cr33pin]

Guys stop bombarding me with info... please its overwhelming

From what I gather Ukraine is easier to game, easier to get into, and cheaper...... and full of hot women. Where does this leave Russia?

[Davidovich]

(11-21-2015 11:17 PM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

Bumping this, any new info or insight on this topic? I'm interested in hitting up these two once it warms up. Russia is a pain in the ass cause of the visa situation though... How much better is one compared to the other? What months are the best to be in either? Another forum member mentioned that Roosh said don't go to Odessa in the summer? Which is pretty much when I was thinking of going....

If someone who has been to both can chime in with a quick list of pros and cons I would greatly appreciate it and give you a internet high five.

Advise to avoid both places in December and January. The nicer girls are going to be busy with their families then, and the weather can be bitter cold. Everybody wears way too much clothing. Rarely any chance for day game, and zero action in the park. The evening commute can be very grim. Can't comment on club game in bars, as I think evenings are for dating. Suggest Odessa-Nikolaev-Kherson in late February-May can be good times.

[DaveR]

Appearance-wise there isn't much difference between similarly-sized Russian and Ukrainian cities. What is often described as the 'Ukrainian' look is also very prevalent in the South of Russia (Krasnodar, Volgograd, Voronezh, Rostov-na-Donu). I've noticed that a lot of Americans tend to prefer that southern/Ukrainian look, especially those who like curvy girls and big asses.

If you're after barbie dolls (high fashion, slim models with lots of makeup), you'll probably only find them in Moscow because that is the only city with enough wealth to support that kind of lifestyle. In other cities, including St. Petersburg, they're usually part of the 'elite' and therefore not very accessible.

If you're planning a short/medium-term trip and don't understand the language and culture, Ukraine is probably a better option. Small-city girls are easier to understand and the hotter ones aren't drawn away from Kiev/Odessa because those are already the largest and most developed cities in Ukraine. The political and economic situation in Ukraine makes for a lot of desperate women, i.e. foreign god factor. There isn't a need to worry about visas and registration in Ukraine.

Russia has better prospects for the long term, including work and long-term relationships. I find them more intellectual and easier to have a deep connection with; obviously that's superfluous if you're only looking for a two-week fling. With Ukrainians I find I'm usually talking to them, not with them. After saying that, some men prefer their women that way and only really want their wife to be arm candy. And I have nothing against that, just pointing it out so you know how/why I've formed my preferences.

The three-date rule is prevalent in both countries. You'll find some club rats in every city who are willing to break that rule, especially Moscow but I think that's just a function of its population (huge city and all of its sluts converge on its nightclubs each weekend).

In Ukraine it's important to have a story about why you're visiting the country, otherwise they'll think you're a sex tourist. It can't be "to study Russian" because that doesn't make any sense to them, and saying that you're living there will make them think you're insane. I usually say I'm looking for IT specialists. The country doesn't have much else to offer from a business perspective.