[WestCoast]

This has been ruminating around lately as the move to getting the hell out of the USA as fast as possible has been on top of my mind heavily the last few months so I figured some of the older guys can weigh in here as well.

Basically we all know Time and Money are basically the only things that can elevate the amount/quality of girls in any city (all else equal on the game front). With that said where do you guys draw the line on how much cash flow you need to run a player lifestyle? Overall I've messed with my monthly spend and realized that right around $3-4K a month is pretty much the bogey for running a player lifestyle smoothly.

~$1000-1500 on rent, $1000 on food, $500 (phone, internet, gym, miscellaneous expenses), $1000 on booze/dates/cabs/drugs.

At that rate if you had 100% of your time free, I'd assume you can increase quality because your entire day consists of hitting the gym, day game, night game, reading and working at a status job just for the increase in quality (ie: bartender). You can pretty much do this worldwide.

My life philosophy is pretty much built around this concept since i've nabbed a few stunners (law of large numbers since i'm no where near a conventional good looking dude) so I figure once someone can get to that kind of flow with no real job to worry about it would be a no brainer to completely focus on chasing tail. So for the guys who have been doing this a long time as well do you see any flaws in this plan? Life is just a game so may as well run the pussy part like a business as well.

[Veloce]

I was just thinking about this. I'd say these days, with my current lifestyle, I need to take home $3k a month to get by. Anything extra is just gravy (better booze, better clothes, etc)

[kinjutsu]

@Westcoast
Is this a long term solution or a short term one?
ie Long term is I'm never coming back to the states and i need a way to sustain myself or will you just peace out for the next 3 or 4 years.

I'd aim a bit higher. Possibly an extra 1k month to save in case of emergencies. Not to mention replenishing your wardrobe. Or needing travel money in case the place you're staying starts to be less favorable for you.

Personally i ran the numbers for myself and in canada (the city i'm in). I'm looking at least 4k a month to live the player lifestyle and still enjoy new things.

Also is this money passive income from a side hustle or are you just chipping away at your savings?

P.s. i do enjoy reading your blog. I'm working on getting my money game tight as a drum. Your blog has given me some ideas. Thanks.

[worldwidetraveler]

Kind of a hard question to answer WC. Everyone is different. Look at G, he goes out 5 days a week pounding booze and smoke like a chimney. Most of us mere mortals would get lung cancer and cirrhosis of the liver living that lifestyle.

I can't see why 4k net would not be good enough for most people. Especially if this is spendable cash with no other debts.

I have a feeling that you would get bored of retirement and do something on the side to make more money. I really can't see myself not working but I do enjoy what I do.

[WestCoast]

Yeah no where am I implying I would stop working.

Basically saying with 3-4K 100% passive + status job. So you're never in the red because your status job just adds an extra cushion while your entire life is spent living off the passive income for the vast majority of your time.

So really was looking at if the high paying jobs actually make a change when we hit 40's/50's. all signs seem to point to no, the biggest player I know just turned 39 and bangs nothing but 22-27 year olds because he works at a very popular bar filled with girls 24/7. He's broke but in the case I'm outlining it would be the same set up just not broke.

So not really looking for advice per se, could care less about livin a life full of expensive cars and houses that's just a colossal waste of time and money IMHO. All about lowest input for maximum output.

So basically, the question is, what's the most economical way to get the highest return on girls. I think bartending is the easiest miniature fame, assuming cash is no issue... Is there a better set up? If there is I'm all ears.

[Matt3B]

$1000 on food a month? Do you go out to eat a lot or something? There's no way you have to be spending that much on food.

[babababalot]

i spend $120 per month in one of the most expensive countries in the world lol.

[WestCoast]

(02-19-2013 09:11 AM)MattC Wrote:  

$1000 on food a month? Do you go out to eat a lot or something? There's no way you have to be spending that much on food.

Not trying to derail here but I am just ball parking it, ie including some date expenses, protein counts as food for the gym etc. I glanced at the how much people drop in a month thread and right around 3-4 seemed to be the ballpark as well.

But basically is there a more efficient way to maximize getting lots of girls that all of us could pull off. I think a few thousand a month in passive income a month + being a bartender is pretty much doable for everyone here. Anyone have a better setup/lifestyle that's feasible for everyone? Ie: what's the most efficient barebones player set up.

1. Live alone
2. Job that girls like
3. Free time
4. Enough to continue refreshing clothes

That's pretty much it. A nice car/house is pretty much gravy on top but not really needed. Would choose low working hours over a nice car all day.

[WestIndianArchie]

Your number seems low.

If you want to spend all of your time chasing women, I would imagine that you'd be shooting for the best looking chicks available. In my mind, that means you're looking for the best cities, and living in the best logistical areas in those cities.

NYC, LA, Hong Kong....you know the drill.
And the best areas for pulling in those cities are usually in the nicer areas of town.

Best City + Best Area = high rent, and higher cost for amenities > 4k a month.

You of course can live in the best areas of a 2nd tier city, or mediocre areas of a great city - but you're compromising on something.

WIA

[el mechanico]

I don't know. It seems to me anytime I leave the house it costs $100. I would figure that as daily spending money.

[worldwidetraveler]

(02-19-2013 10:16 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Your number seems low.

If you want to spend all of your time chasing women, I would imagine that you'd be shooting for the best looking chicks available. In my mind, that means you're looking for the best cities, and living in the best logistical areas in those cities.

NYC, LA, Hong Kong....you know the drill.
And the best areas for pulling in those cities are usually in the nicer areas of town.

Best City + Best Area = high rent, and higher cost for amenities > 4k a month.

You of course can live in the best areas of a 2nd tier city, or mediocre areas of a great city - but you're compromising on something.

WIA

I don't know why, I thought WC was planning in South America or somewhere equivalent.

[worldwidetraveler]

(02-19-2013 10:17 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

I don't know. It seems to me anytime I leave the house it costs $100. I would figure that as daily spending money.

But do you lift, bro?

What the hell are you spending $100 a day on? Do hit the bars a lot?

If I got cash on me, I spend it. That is one of the reasons I don't carry too much on me at one time.

A lot of stuff I would be interested in wouldn't costs a lot of money. It really depends on how you spend your days.

[WestCoast]

(02-19-2013 10:16 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Your number seems low.

If you want to spend all of your time chasing women, I would imagine that you'd be shooting for the best looking chicks available. In my mind, that means you're looking for the best cities, and living in the best logistical areas in those cities.

NYC, LA, Hong Kong....you know the drill.
And the best areas for pulling in those cities are usually in the nicer areas of town.

Best City + Best Area = high rent, and higher cost for amenities > 4k a month.

You of course can live in the best areas of a 2nd tier city, or mediocre areas of a great city - but you're compromising on something.

WIA

So what's the most efficient set up?

Bartending alone gets you another couple grand so you're at 5/6 with a pure status job and have no expenses for booze at that point.

Can't fathom spending $100 a day miscellaneously, all the spend seems to occur in pure game activities (night life), everything else is free (day game).

Also yes it would be a SA location, but even without it 3-4 in the usa is just fine. If anything, costs are declining as game improves so that combined with status seems like a cake walk that everyone on the forum could set up in the future.

Not really looking for personal advice (I'm going to do this game plan regardless), unles someone has a better idea/set up?

[WestIndianArchie]

(02-19-2013 10:35 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

I don't know why, I thought WC was planning in South America or somewhere equivalent.

Any city, sure.
The best areas in the best cities? Seems low.

WIA

[el mechanico]

(02-19-2013 10:38 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 10:17 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

I don't know. It seems to me anytime I leave the house it costs $100. I would figure that as daily spending money.

But do you lift, bro?

What the hell are you spending $100 a day on? Do hit the bars a lot?

If I got cash on me, I spend it. That is one of the reasons I don't carry too much on me at one time.

A lot of stuff I would be interested in wouldn't costs a lot of money. It really depends on how you spend your days.

Ok yesterday after work...

Saw a bunch of cop cars heading north so I followed them until I got bored so I stopped in the big liquor store and bought some vodka..
30 dollars

Went by a gas station and picked up a couple packs of smokes..
14 dollars

Went home made a drink then went on craigslist and saw a tire for 25 dollars that's the same as what's on my car so went and got it.

Back home one more drink and getting hungry so went to the store. Two steaks some honey and almonds
40 dollars

Average day. Now if you want to get fancy we can stop by the casino and gas station, hit some bars, get some sushi etc now we're up to 300 + for those days.

[WestIndianArchie]

(02-19-2013 10:39 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

So what's the most efficient set up?

Bartending alone gets you another couple grand so you're at 5/6 with a pure status job and have no expenses for booze at that point.

Can't fathom spending $100 a day miscellaneously, all the spend seems to occur in pure game activities (night life), everything else is free (day game).

Also yes it would be a SA location, but even without it 3-4 in the usa is just fine. If anything, costs are declining as game improves so that combined with status seems like a cake walk that everyone on the forum could set up in the future.

The ideal set up is you living close to the best places to pick up. (meet, drink, lay)
- nightlife areas
- university areas
- populated beaches
- town centers

Traditionally, these are the places where lots of people want to live and lots of businesses want to locate themselves. So that translates into higher rents and higher living costs.

You'd be hard pressed to find a place like that in the States for 3-4k, not either of the 1st tier cities. Maybe in some of the Southern 2nd tier cities.

As for Latin America, 3-4K isn't "stupid" money that can always land you in the best neighborhood. Fashionable areas typically cost you fashionable prices.
As for extra money from bar tending, if you already have the job, great. If you already have solid connections, great.

If you plan on just showing up in Bogota, Buenos Aires,or Sao Paolo and expect to get a good bartending job at the drop of hat, you're quite the optimist.

WIA

[worldwidetraveler]

(02-19-2013 10:55 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 10:35 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

I don't know why, I thought WC was planning in South America or somewhere equivalent.

Any city, sure.
The best areas in the best cities? Seems low.

WIA

Normally the longer you are in an area, your expenses will decrease to a certain point.

If he is hitting night clubs 5 days a week in major cities, he would have a major problem.

If he is doing mainly day game and goes out on dates, he would manage that cash a lot easier.

I think Roosh normally lives in central areas for half of what WC is talking about. Granted, we are not talking Miami, NY type of cities.

I wouldn't be going to those cities if I was looking for the best cost /pussy ratios like WC noted earlier. For me, I would need other things besides pussy to entertain me so I would expect to be paying more.

[WestCoast]

Sure so we agree on the basic needs to run high volume (central location, large population, attractive girls). Is there a better setup?

Everyone's lifestyle varies tremendously on here so what would you guys need to get max results on the lowest cost possible?

My breakout is above, trying to see if there are better ideas. The limiting factor is really time to pick up when working 60-80 hours a week.

Some decent ideas on the brick and mortar thread as well. Being a teacher is decent status as well you can just hit on your students assuming you're cash flow fine (that's really the only downside to teaching) as a professor buddy of mine does nothing but sleep with his students teaching psychology (he's dead broke, but I admire his setup).

[EisenBarde]

Ideal would be a spot where the talent comes to you, you don't need to drive more than 20+ minutes to work, and you can walk to places like the grocery store.

As the key concept of running game on this forum is logistics, the key expense is also logistics.

[WestCoast]

(02-19-2013 11:40 AM)EisenBarde Wrote:  

Ideal would be a spot where the talent comes to you, you don't need to drive more than 20+ minutes to work, and you can walk to places like the grocery store.

As the key concept of running game on this forum is logistics, the key expense is also logistics.

I agree 100% so is there a better set up than bartender + full day free to day game?

[Veloce]

WC I see what you're getting at but it's a really complicated thing you're talking about...

I think what you're saying is, how do you maximize the hustle? Because every job has a hustle, every job has perks, whether it's access to women or free shit.

Here's the chef hustle:
-access to hot servers and hostesses
-free food
-connections in nightlife and restaurants i.e. free drinks and more free food

Teacher hustle:
-access to hot students
-paid vacation

Bartender hustle:
-access to hot clientele
-pays great on an hourly breakdown (if it's a busy or high end bar)
-connections to nightlife and restaurants
-access to hot coworkers

[el mechanico]

Which country are you going to? That makes a huge difference in how you're going to work this out.

[WestCoast]

(02-19-2013 11:54 AM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

WC I see what you're getting at but it's a really complicated thing you're talking about...

I think what you're saying is, how do you maximize the hustle? Because every job has a hustle, every job has perks, whether it's access to women or free shit.

Here's the chef hustle:
-access to hot servers and hostesses
-free food
-connections in nightlife and restaurants i.e. free drinks and more free food

Teacher hustle:
-access to hot students
-paid vacation

Bartender hustle:
-access to hot clientele
-pays great on an hourly breakdown (if it's a busy or high end bar)
-connections to nightlife and restaurants
-access to hot coworkers

Yeah that's exactly what I am talking about. Maximizing the hustle. Your setup sounds pretty good based on being a chef, what would you do to improve it (ie what is holding you back)? For me it's straight up time. I don't drink/smoke/eat out/do drugs unless it's directly related to getting laid or getting more biz connections.

So any other ideas out there for getting the best quality for lowest cost or maximizing the hustle?

In terms of location every single city is just fine, if it was NYC I would change the number to 6 because of rent needing to be at 2.5K plus dates being more expensive. Which is actually why it is not a feasible place to pull this off in NYC.

[Veloce]

The next phase of my hustle might be being a private chef to a high end client. There are private chefs making 125K a year that travel with families all over the world. They still get their days off and in most cases get a month or two of paid vacation. They'll have their wardrobe, room, board, and car all paid for. The only reason I haven't gone for these jobs is I'm not ready to leave the kitchen just yet...being a private chef, no matter how well paid or compensated, is still like being a servant. My ego isn't there yet...

Also time is a huge factor. I don't work nearly as many hours as most chefs, this is intentional. When you read about the heavy hitters like Grant Achatz or David Chang, these are guys that take one day off a week, MAX, and their work days are 14 hours minimum. I love food and cooking but not enough to sacrifice my life for it.

[DVY]

3k/month is rough as you grow older.

Hell for new years, I bought 1k dollars worth of giftcards as gifts. If your making 3k/month, your cashflow just got lopsided.

In the top tier cities in SA, its not that much cheaper than the states.

Asia can be another story though. 2k/month would be balling in Thailand. 3k/month in Taiwan is very very well-off. 3k/month in Beijing/Shanghai aint SHIT.