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Precious metals and preparing for "the collapse"
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Precious metals and preparing for "the collapse"

I'm not a big believer in the US dollar and I'm not sure the Euro is in much better shape.

I'd like to hold a basket of precious metals and agricultural land but so far, only have a portfolio of precious metal stocks (volatile and so far has not given me much leverage to gold's rise) and residential real estate (but not income earning since I live in my residence).

I feel nervous as I don't hold gold and silver bullion, physical or ETF-wise.

Any of you planning for "widespread hyperinflationary collapse" in the US and if so, are you taking the standard steps espoused by the likes of gold bugs (I am not a gold bug by the way)?

In other words, holding physical bullion/silver?
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Precious metals and preparing for "the collapse"

Euro seems to be getting into a bad shape.. taking heat.. dunno about the rest, not really wise in economics.. But actually thought about land, before you mentioned it...since solid things, are always worth something.. especially in times of less..

But atm only paying of debt from studying... ..[Image: biggrin.gif]
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Precious metals and preparing for "the collapse"

Quote: (05-17-2010 01:24 AM)kindredspirit Wrote:  

I'm not a big believer in the US dollar and I'm not sure the Euro is in much better shape.

I'd like to hold a basket of precious metals and agricultural land but so far, only have a portfolio of precious metal stocks (volatile and so far has not given me much leverage to gold's rise) and residential real estate (but not income earning since I live in my residence).

I feel nervous as I don't hold gold and silver bullion, physical or ETF-wise.

Any of you planning for "widespread hyperinflationary collapse" in the US and if so, are you taking the standard steps espoused by the likes of gold bugs (I am not a gold bug by the way)?

In other words, holding physical bullion/silver?

I heard one gets better leverage buying stock of gold mining companies instead of physical bullion.
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Precious metals and preparing for "the collapse"

Gold coins would be the safest bet:

http://www.apmex.com
http://www.bulliondirect.com/

I was in Argentina exchanging some money and say they had a sign posted about how they'd pay for 1 ounce gold coins. If the shit hits the fan then those coins will be currency anywhere.

In my IRA I'm holding a lot of CEF. Seems to be the safest gold ETF.

Gold mining companies does not always trace the price of gold. I wouldn't touch those.
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Precious metals and preparing for "the collapse"

"I heard one gets better leverage buying stock of gold mining companies instead of physical bullion. "

"Gold mining companies does not always trace the price of gold."

Yes, many times gold stocks go up faster than gold, and fall faster as well. There are many factors as well, they may or may not mean they will go up with price of gold (Strike at the mine, mine collapse, tornados, cooking the books , what have you). It is liquid and not as leveraged as trading futures or options.

Physical Gold is good to have as "insurance" on your money. Like Roosh said "If the shit hits the fan".

Clean water, guns and gasoline will be important as well.

You have seen Road Warrior right?
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Precious metals and preparing for "the collapse"

If ¨the collapse¨ is the world going to hell in a handbasket then yes, I´d rather have bullion, mostly coins - some bars. But really, how likely is that? I´ve read many of Boston T. Party´s books and I haven´t started stockpiling anything.

I´m thinking ¨collapse¨would be a market correction of 10% or a maybe even a market crash of 25% or more. The world goes on, albeit with more expensive commodities. If gold goes to $2k in the above situations and a gold mining company has a hoard of it, then their stock would be worth quite a bit more.
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Precious metals and preparing for "the collapse"

Gold is insurance against very high inflation and that's about it. In a no shit collapse situation it probably wouldn't do you much good. Gold would be useless compared to food and bullets.

I'm heavy in gold, but I bought it years ago and will probably hold on for decades. I'd be careful about loading up right now. I think there will be a big correction at some point.

Ultimate it all boils down to the unresolved inflation vs deflation debate. Either Eric Janzen (itulip.com) is right and central banks will turn on the spigots and gold will hit $6K/oz. Or Robert Prechter is right and within the next couple years there will be another major wave of deflation such as we saw in 2008, when all commodities and equity markets move down together.

Personally, I find Prechter fairly convincing.

p.s.
From my point of view you buy physical metal or you're likely to wind up a sucker. There is no way to trust these big ETFs and the people who audited them. Look how useful AAA credit ratings turned out to be. Goldmoney.com and BullionVault are OK. So are coins buried in the yard.
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Precious metals and preparing for "the collapse"

I hate to disrupt the circle jerk group think here, but the USA is not headed for hyper inflation.
The most likely scenario is continued high unemployment along with very low inflation, and quite possibly deflation.
Also, the best way to make money with gold, is to set up a cash for your gold business. You take in the gold of a bunch of desperate chumps, pay them well below market value, melt it down, turn it into coins/bars, put a "USA International Mint" stamp on it, buy ad time on the home shopping network and Fox News, and sell it to people for above market value.
Distasteful? Yes, but no worse than selling fake supplements or doing direct marketing/pyramid stuff on the internet.
And if you really want to be prepared for the coming Zombie apocalypse, buy this place - http://www.missilebases.com/adironback
Guaranteed to survive a multi megaton nuclear blast, and it has plenty of storage space for your condensed milk and dehydrated beef jerky that you will spend the rest of your life eating.
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Precious metals and preparing for "the collapse"

Quote: (05-21-2010 03:27 AM)DrArete Wrote:  

I hate to disrupt the circle jerk group think here, but the USA is not headed for hyper inflation.
The most likely scenario is continued high unemployment along with very low inflation, and quite possibly deflation.
Also, the best way to make money with gold, is to set up a cash for your gold business. You take in the gold of a bunch of desperate chumps, pay them well below market value, melt it down, turn it into coins/bars, put a "USA International Mint" stamp on it, buy ad time on the home shopping network and Fox News, and sell it to people for above market value.
Distasteful? Yes, but no worse than selling fake supplements or doing direct marketing/pyramid stuff on the internet.
And if you really want to be prepared for the coming Zombie apocalypse, buy this place - http://www.missilebases.com/adironback
Guaranteed to survive a multi megaton nuclear blast, and it has plenty of storage space for your condensed milk and dehydrated beef jerky that you will spend the rest of your life eating.
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Precious metals and preparing for "the collapse"

There was/is a coin dealer in Berkeley I bought gold from. He wrote a book about paper money ( called "fiat"), really well researched, he went all the way back to the first silver coins used in China.

Here's an interview with him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKUpcCQ4Nwo

Apparently, all paper money not backed by gold/silver/SOMETHING, all through history has become valueless. The temptation to debase currency is essentially irresistible, because for a while you can buy the same stuff before people catch on. What governments want to usually do is finance wars. (Wild guess-- Iraq cost us at least ~2 trillion, about 1/6 of national debt. Straight to military contractors and insiders)

But it can take a LONG time, the Roman silver coins went from something like 90% silver to 5% but it took several hundred years.

He told me one story of a Russian family that buried gold coins under their outhouse during the Russian Revolution in 1917, then seventy years later dug up the coins to finance a child's move to the USA in the 1980's. Of course, all Russian paper money had been devalued probably several times over during that time span.

I do know: Malls are packed, restaurants are packed, there's a lot of overbuilt real estate however.
And that gold dealer? Well, he's selling coins for--dollars.

CATEGORIES OF DOOM:
If you're going to worry, define it:

1) Total collapse, food supply and utility breakdown. Coping: Hideout with guns, food, medical, fuel.
10 year probability .2-2.0% (WAG) I think this is the only scenario where stock exchanges stop working, you can't get your "money" out, if it even is still considered real money. That might include
CEF ( Central Fund of Canada who hold real gold supposedly). That's why people who are trying to allow for this want "physical" ( easy to get to: for you and thieves however)

2) Severe dollar fall (>40%)Probability 3-7%; I've been told about 60% of all the money in the world is in dollars, people are going to ditch dollar eventually, but it will take a while. Gold may explode, but there's too little to start basing all world trade on it. There's no substitute I know of that can rapidly be brought on line. Much lower living standard, contagion screws a lot of economies up, local wars. maybe some nasty race riots as red herring of race is used to distract the masses from incredible concentration of wealth at top. Coping: Invest in Materials people can't do without even temporarily-- FOOD, WATER and FUEL, MEDICAL SUPPLIES, GOLD, Super stable stocks like Proctor and Gamble, Johnson and Johnson. Google "dividend aristocrats"; some companies have paid increasing dividends for over forty years, through Vietnam, Watergate....

3) Moderate dollar fall (5%-20%) (20-85% likelihood) less luxury for most, ugly politics here as rich redirect anger towards racial minorities and "excess" government workers. Coping Methods: Gold, high dividend stocks as mentioned above. Coca Cola has increased its dividend 10% per years for the last 10 years. Stock dropped a lot in crisis; but if you've bought it for the income, who cares if the dividend keeps going up.


I tend to paranoia, but one side of that is I think people who are really rich generally aren't stupid.

They own and run everything ( The wealthiest 400 families in the USA own assets equal to the assets of the bottom 40%, about a hundred million. )

They've got sailboats at Newport RI, kids in Harvard, private jets at Kennedy airport.

A REAL collapse ( basically if electricity stops significantly, food stops getting to the grocery store, and telvision stations stop broadcasting so people don't know what they should think about) would GREATLY interfere with the lifestyles of those who control everything.

They don't want to hole up in some silo in Montana. Who is there to show off for?

I'm old enough to remember the cold war and heard a lot of the same doom-saying. Scared the hell out of me until I thought about it this way:

If the rich people don't want it to happen, it doesn't happen, except in the case of the French Revolution and the Bolshevik Revolution, and USA is NOWHERE NEAR that level of anger. Hell, people are more angry at Civil Servants because they're going to get pensions than they are at the rich!!

So I wouldn't worry about doomsday unless you've got that extra money to build a hideout and stock it.

Also, prices have already tripled since the 70's. It's not something people can't cope with.
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Precious metals and preparing for "the collapse"

One word:


DIVERSIFY!



Is the key to all investment if you want security.
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Precious metals and preparing for "the collapse"

Buy Silver, the collapse is coming.

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