Mods-I'll understand if you want to move this to the newbie section.
I'm definitely a novice in terms of game, but this past year I have learned a lot and expanded my comfort zone, grown a bunch. I keep running into the same new "problem" though, with every girl I swoop.
Pre-red pill, I was banging an average of one girl per year (and usually would lead to at least a mini-relationship if not LTR). Since discovering the forum and cold approaching/OKC'ing I banged 4 girls in about 11 months.
The problem I keep having though, is A) getting girls to see me again, and thus create a harem/spin plates consistently, and B) the girl gets "buyer's remorse" or "feels weird" having slept with me so quickly.
I'll quickly explain the 4 bangs in question. They are in order, a 6, 8, 6 and 7.
The 6 I met at the mall doing cold approach. She contacted me first and was very enthusiastic. First date I was VERY rusty and tried to bounce from bar to my place, she wasn't biting. Ended up spending like 2 hours in my car listening to music, talking and making out a little. Invited her over to watch movie for 2nd date, after a lot of LMR she eventually capitulates and I capture the bang. Every instance of sex after this with her is grueling to get. She seems to constantly want to do a-sexual things, and is unconvinced I truly like her. She even texted me one time, "Do you really like me?" 95% of convos/dates were initiated by her. Eventually she had a pregnancy scare complication and I dropped her shortly after.
Next was the 8 met off OKC. This was the fastest meet-to-bang I've had thus far, about 4 hours. Drinks at bar, bounce back to my place for another drink, start make out and zero resistance from her. Banged her again before driving her back to her place. I text her a couple of days later looking to meet up again and she is evasive and never gets back in touch.
After this, a 6 from OKC. Similar date structure: bar drinks, bounce to another bar, make out, LMR in car but enthustiastic to see again. Second date drinks at local sushi place, walk back to my place and drinks/movie/make out/some token LMR but secure the bang pretty easily. I "kick" her out shortly after saying I have to go to bed. She texts me the next day saying she "felt weird leaving your house like that." She said she's never had sex so fast with somebody and that she wants to see me again, but only if we don't have sex for a while and just do platonic things. I drop all interest at this point.
Last was the most confusing. A 7 from OKC; same date template except I used Roosh's "can I use your bathroom" line to get into her house on the first date. Make out in bedroom ensues, lots of LMR moving my hands off her breasts etc. I plough and eventually get her top off and on her bed but she is adamant and keeps saying "I can't..I want to but I cant.." so I relent and bounce with her enthusiastic. Second date to club, bounce to my house and sex with zero LMR. Made sure to have plenty of post-coital talking, connecting etc and she slept over. Great night. After that, hardly get any responses from her via text and after a week I have to pull teeth to see her again. When I do, she is reluctant to have sex and later laments how she slept with me "on the second date."
So maybe I'm mistaken, but my view of most of the good guys on this forum is that they are swooping girls, getting bangs very quickly but also have harems of chicks that they can see, that want to see them often/on the regular, and even can have the option of turning into relationships.
The trouble I'm having is not getting bangs. I feel like if I can get a girl interested enough to go on a date with me, I can take care of the rest. The problem is getting them to stay around after that! I would really like to at least have the option of girlfriending one of them up or spinning plates. Instead I end up having sex infrequently, inconsistently and can't seem to extract excitement/long term interest from any of them. I get pussy and then it is gone like a vapor in the mist.
The advice I would give myself is to switch it a slow-burn method, and NOT try to bang as fast as possible. Work on building more comfort, go on a few dates and bang by date 3 or 4 instead. I predict the RVF forum would say the opposite, though, to always go for the bang, be bold, girls reward boldness not timidity etc. The two methods seem in contradiction to each other.
So what do you guys think? Is there something I can do differently in the future to keep girls around? My goal is to spin a couple of plates and just have options on the regular. No more periods of dry spell.
I'm definitely a novice in terms of game, but this past year I have learned a lot and expanded my comfort zone, grown a bunch. I keep running into the same new "problem" though, with every girl I swoop.
Pre-red pill, I was banging an average of one girl per year (and usually would lead to at least a mini-relationship if not LTR). Since discovering the forum and cold approaching/OKC'ing I banged 4 girls in about 11 months.
The problem I keep having though, is A) getting girls to see me again, and thus create a harem/spin plates consistently, and B) the girl gets "buyer's remorse" or "feels weird" having slept with me so quickly.
I'll quickly explain the 4 bangs in question. They are in order, a 6, 8, 6 and 7.
The 6 I met at the mall doing cold approach. She contacted me first and was very enthusiastic. First date I was VERY rusty and tried to bounce from bar to my place, she wasn't biting. Ended up spending like 2 hours in my car listening to music, talking and making out a little. Invited her over to watch movie for 2nd date, after a lot of LMR she eventually capitulates and I capture the bang. Every instance of sex after this with her is grueling to get. She seems to constantly want to do a-sexual things, and is unconvinced I truly like her. She even texted me one time, "Do you really like me?" 95% of convos/dates were initiated by her. Eventually she had a pregnancy scare complication and I dropped her shortly after.
Next was the 8 met off OKC. This was the fastest meet-to-bang I've had thus far, about 4 hours. Drinks at bar, bounce back to my place for another drink, start make out and zero resistance from her. Banged her again before driving her back to her place. I text her a couple of days later looking to meet up again and she is evasive and never gets back in touch.
After this, a 6 from OKC. Similar date structure: bar drinks, bounce to another bar, make out, LMR in car but enthustiastic to see again. Second date drinks at local sushi place, walk back to my place and drinks/movie/make out/some token LMR but secure the bang pretty easily. I "kick" her out shortly after saying I have to go to bed. She texts me the next day saying she "felt weird leaving your house like that." She said she's never had sex so fast with somebody and that she wants to see me again, but only if we don't have sex for a while and just do platonic things. I drop all interest at this point.
Last was the most confusing. A 7 from OKC; same date template except I used Roosh's "can I use your bathroom" line to get into her house on the first date. Make out in bedroom ensues, lots of LMR moving my hands off her breasts etc. I plough and eventually get her top off and on her bed but she is adamant and keeps saying "I can't..I want to but I cant.." so I relent and bounce with her enthusiastic. Second date to club, bounce to my house and sex with zero LMR. Made sure to have plenty of post-coital talking, connecting etc and she slept over. Great night. After that, hardly get any responses from her via text and after a week I have to pull teeth to see her again. When I do, she is reluctant to have sex and later laments how she slept with me "on the second date."
So maybe I'm mistaken, but my view of most of the good guys on this forum is that they are swooping girls, getting bangs very quickly but also have harems of chicks that they can see, that want to see them often/on the regular, and even can have the option of turning into relationships.
The trouble I'm having is not getting bangs. I feel like if I can get a girl interested enough to go on a date with me, I can take care of the rest. The problem is getting them to stay around after that! I would really like to at least have the option of girlfriending one of them up or spinning plates. Instead I end up having sex infrequently, inconsistently and can't seem to extract excitement/long term interest from any of them. I get pussy and then it is gone like a vapor in the mist.
The advice I would give myself is to switch it a slow-burn method, and NOT try to bang as fast as possible. Work on building more comfort, go on a few dates and bang by date 3 or 4 instead. I predict the RVF forum would say the opposite, though, to always go for the bang, be bold, girls reward boldness not timidity etc. The two methods seem in contradiction to each other.
So what do you guys think? Is there something I can do differently in the future to keep girls around? My goal is to spin a couple of plates and just have options on the regular. No more periods of dry spell.