Lessons from 3 Trips to Cali, Colombia - March 2009, October 2011, November 2012
I've been to Cali, Colombia three times over the past four years. The first time was part of an insane whirlwind trip in March of 2009 around the entire country where I visited Bogota, Medellin, Cartagena, Santa Marta, and Cali in 10 days, spending approximately 1-3 days in each city depending on how interesting it was. First, I'll talk briefly about my impressions of each place. I was not impressed with Bogota, Santa Marta, and Cartagena - I'll talk about those first. I was impressed by Medellin and Cali, and I’ll include more details.
Bogota - Big City which feels endlessly large and from what I remember. Although the weather is nothing compared to the punishing winters of Canda and North America, the weather in Bogota is not something that most people would consider ideal vacation weather. I didn't spend enough time to explore the city and nightlife and get a good understanding of the women, but from going out to a few bars, I remember being far more impressed by the women of Medellin and Cali. I’ll let others do the talking about Bogota - this city is not interesting to me.
Santa Marta - This is a beach town that is popular as a tourist destination for Colombians. If you're looking for a nice beach, I would not recommend this place. I was expecting a very nice beach from what I read, but I was definitely more impressed by beaches in Miami, Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, the rest of the Caribbean, and the islands of Thailand (the ones more off the beaten path). If I had to compare it to a beach, it would probably be close to Pattaya or Phuket of Thailand, which are both rather crappy. The weather here can be punishingly hot - like a desert. There are catci growing on the side of the roads from the airport leading to the town. Strangely enough, there are groups of people harvesting these cacti on the hillsides - I call them the cactus ninjas. As I arrived on a weekday (from what I remember), the nightlife was completely dead. I was told that there is good partying at an adjacent town 5 minutes away known as Rodadero. I actually went there, but didn't see anything that made me want to stay. Also, I didn't see any hot girls. Within hours of landing at the airport in the morning and having explored the city, my buddy and I made plans to go to Cartagena. Back in 2009, I learned that tourists from other countries to Santa Marta were rare, which is why people kept staring at me and my buddy.
Journey from Santa Marta to Cartagena - I took a bus from Santa Marta to Cartagena and made a stop at Barranquilla. From what I was able to observe of Barranquilla going to the bus terminal, the place is very dusty, sandy, hot, and ugly. This was confirmed by friends from Cali who have gone there. They told me not to bother visiting the place. It was during this bus trip that I had the misfortune of experiencing Colombian time for the first time. The bus ticket vendor at Santa Marta told me that the trip would take something around 4 hours from what I remember. It wound up taking around 6 hours. Also, the bus driver was insane - this is something that may be common across all of Colombia with buses. In an effort to go faster, the bus driver would pass cars in front of him by driving on the opposite side of the road against oncoming traffic. This was not cool. Also, during the first leg of the bus journey to Barranquilla, there was a prolonged torrential downpour - there was no visibility whatsoever. Yet, the bus driver never slowed down. I am grateful I made it to Barranquilla then Cartagena alive. Be very careful when thinking about traveling from town to town on buses, especially the overnight ones. From extreme cold to robbers to the utter lack of lights and safety in the mountains to insane drivers, I would definitely recommend taking planes everywhere. The only upside of the bus journey was meeting a very cute Colombian girl who I opened and who told me within the first few minutes that she thought I was beautiful. Looking back, I should have attempted to bang her in the bathroom since I would never see her again. This was my first experience with how forward and affectionate Colombian women can be. She got off at Barranquilla and I continued to Cartagena.
Cartagena - This is a coastal city which reminded me of Miami. The Colonial town is worth visiting but the prices of everything are much higher than what you will find in Medellin and Cali. I'll write more about the costs of Cali but if money is a concern, there is better bang for the buck than Cartagena. The food at the expensive restaurants is very good. I arrived on a weekday, and unfortunately, did not get to experience the nightlife. We tried to look for some and hired a taxi to take us around, but we couldn't find anything worth going to. Also, the women I did see while walking around during the daytime, were not beautiful in any noteworthy way. I don't remember being able to locate an actual beach - the Colonial town was bordered by the Ocean, but I'm not sure if there is an actual beach. From what I saw in 2 days, I probably won't be visiting here again.
Medellin - I was very impressed by Medellin and thoroughly enjoyed my time here.
Medellin is a beautiful city. The weather is great, and the prices reasonable and comparable to Cali. It's called the City of Eternal Spring for a reason - year round there is warm spring-like weather. A brief period of light rain usually happens once or twice during the day. I find this refreshing and I have a feeling it contributes to the greenery of the city. Usually when it is raining, the sun is out and it is bright - I'm not sure how that happens but it's interesting. With the great weather comes lots of greenery, parks, outdoor dining locations, and less clothing on the girls. There is great train system. I think it’s dangerous at night. I recommend doing more research on the topic of safety in Medellin if you are thinking of going. There is conflicting information everywhere – yes there has been massive development and there are some very nice upscale places. Some sources will tout the reduction in violence, the end of Pablo Escobar, etc. However, the hillside slums are ominously visible everywhere you go in the city wherever you look up at the hills surrounding the city. For me, danger was always a concern.
Women - A lot of men will find that the women here are very beautiful. In fact, right after I got off the plane at the airport, I saw a beautiful girl who worked there. My eyes and head continued to face her as my feet walked in another direction, and I walked right into a guy in front of me and tripped over his luggage. I was definitely impressed, and I didn't even leave the airport yet! Now, before anyone goes and books a flight to Medellin, I recommend reading my notes below about the women of Cali. I've thought a lot about this subject now that I have spent much more time in the country and the shock of Colombian beauty has worn off. The Paisa women have a very fair white complexion and hair color which ranges from dark black to dirty blonde (I don’t think naturally platinum blonde Paisas exist). With skin color being a constant, the women are shorter on average than European and American Caucasian women. Paisas, being Latinas, also have more good curves – sometimes substantially more.
Nightlife and meeting women - I went out two nights on the weekend – the first was to Mangos which I believe is now closed. It was a famous club and very expensive by Colombian standards. The women partying were beautiful and the club dancers were stunning. Unfortunately, they were 100% mixed sets, and trying to run social game felt unsafe, as my sense from growing up in the hood told me that there was a high probability that the men with these beautiful women were narcos aka drug lords. Everything from Mixx’s Medellin thread applies - http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-6707.html. Forget about meeting women during the night time. Day game is absolutely necessary. Spanish is highly highly recommended. No one speaks English. For those who are skilled with game, they can make it work and attract women even if their Spanish is at a “pitiful” level –I’ve been able to do it in Cali, but I was able to rely on a very high level of Latin dancing to help with the process. I am socially proofed with local Colombian friends plus I have years experience running game on Latinas in NYC, including Colombian spots in New Jersey and Queens. If you are an average beta-ish guy from a Western country with limited field experience and who has difficulty moving from a cold approach daytime opener to a bang, don’t come to Medellin expecting to get laid without some serious effort. Having anything less than a fluid and conversational level of Spanish will be a handicap. You may find some cute ones girls on ColombianCupid and manage to score due to pre-selection based on looks, but the hot and uber hot ones will be very challenging and will probably require a herculean level of approaches to acquire a bang. The Poblado area has a long chain of bars and clubs that are packed during the weekend, with very favorable ratio of women to men the last time I was there. You can find groups of girls (without guys) there that are open to being approached but again, unless you have strong Spanish and can hold a conversation over blasting reggaeton and everyone else in the club screaming to be heard, you’re not going to get anywhere. Being awesome and charismatic with crap Spanish is probably enough, but if the thought of having to open and hold the attention of a group of hot girls in a language that you are not fluent in bothers you, you’re going to have a hard time here. Someone correct me if I’m wrong on this one, but I don’t think Colombian has a strong one night stand/same night sex culture – it is stigmatized. So, expect to get a number which will require a follow up date. And finally, to make things even more difficult, Colombians don’t drink to excess. In all my trips and all my nights out, I’ve only seen one really really drunk person. It can be 5 AM after a night of partying that started at 10 PM with nonstop beer and liquor, but everyone is still sober enough to maintain salsa rhythm and spin around, and usually hold a good conversation. They pace themselves, and I did not see any of the binge drinking “SHOTS SHOTS SHOTS SHOTS SHOTS” stuff you see in the USA. Also, in many places, they serve pitchers of water with bottle of alcohols so that has a drunkenness mitigating effect. So if all you have is drunken night game, I doubt it will be as effective in Colombia. I don’t have too much experience with Medellin, but I think it would be safe to assume that the safety rules of Cali would also apply to Medellin, which is similarly dangerous. In Cali, people go out with their family members and close friends, and everyone makes sure everyone gets home alive. As always, having cool Colombian friends, wingmen, and other types of social proof always helps. If anyone has actual field experience specific to Medellin, please share your thoughts.
Cali - If it wasn’t for family ties in NYC, I would definitely move here. This is one of my favorite places in the world - if I really think about it, it just might top the list. With that in mind, I will share my thoughts on this city while trying not to revert into starstruck teenage cheerleader mode.
I would like to thank Roosh for writing Bang Colombia. To everyone who plans to go to Colombia with the hope of meeting the local women there - buy the book! I’ll follow the format of his book as I write my report. I guess it’s one long field report of me testing out what he recommended.
WELCOME TO CALI- Roosh wrote about it being “just a matter of time” until the Colombian city of Medellin becomes spoiled like Rio. I haven’t been to Rio and haven’t been back to Medellin in a few years, but I can say that Cali is far from being spoiled. Although with each passing year there seems to be more foreigners, they don’t stay long. I personally don’t mind tourists, but for those who are concerned, I think there are many enjoyable years left to be had. I also believe that Cali is less appealing to tourists in general. There’s not much to do. There’s a water park, a scenic view from the statue of Christ, some small gold museums, a few churches (with one being on a hilltop park), a few modern malls, a wonderful zoo, and a few universities for locals, and strong salsa culture. That’s all that will appeal to tourists passing by. Everything else is low-rise residential spread across the entire city. The architecture of the low rise buildings is nothing special - if you’re in the southern residential zones, you have cookie cutter apartment buildings with terraces being built everywhere. Existing 1 -2 story houses all look the same and are usually white. Toward the north you have small single story commercial buildings with restaurants, liquor stores, pizza shops, clothing stores, etc. The buildings in the north are older, and the blocks pretty much look the same, and are very cramped. It’s also not very pretty. There’s far less greenery and parks compared to Medellin, and concrete highways look old.
From what was explained to me, Colombian minimum wage per MONTH based on a 48 hour work week is 600,000 pesos. At an exchange rate of 1800 pesos to the dollar, this works out to $333 per month or about $1.75 per hour. That’s not much. I asked every Cab driver the same question - how much do you make in a good day, and how much do you make during a bad day (net, after their cab rental fare is paid). I got consistent answers - 20,000 pesos on a bad day, 100,000 on a good day, working 6 days a week. Average this out to 60,000 per day ($33.00 USD), cab drivers make approximately $800/month. In Cali, I felt there was far less hustling and aggressive street vendors than compare with Medellin. Roosh’s observation about “desperate masses tripping over each other to sell you things like gum and cigarettes,” was very true for Medellin, but not at all for Cali. There are people selling things, but they are far from aggressive. Also, friends who know people who sell gum, cigarettes, and potato chips for a living, tell me that they don’t make bad money doing this in Cali. This makes for a more relaxed experience as a tourist - I was never targeted. I come from NYC and have noticed that when people trying to hustle on the street for a buck approach other people in NYC, they are met with looks of disgust, disdain, etc. Having observed what goes on in Cali, it seems that people are more compassionate in this regard. They buy gum and other stuff if they have spare change even if they don’t particularly need or want it. They seem to want to help out their fellow struggling Colombians.
SAFETY AND GEOGRAPHY - It is a bad idea to have obvious displays of wealth anywhere. Don’t show the $500 smartphone, the iPad, the Breitling, the Rolex, the gold chain, etc. Do not suit up/down/left/right - no suits! It makes you a target for robbers. Other safety advice you can pick up from the guidebooks and wiki travel is also good.
Here’s a map for Cali. This also happens to be the site of the city bus service - http://www.mio.com.co/index.html/es/plan-de-ruta
I like to use where Calle 5 and Carrera 15 meet as a starting point. The main street west of Calle 5 is C1 or Avenida C. To the west of this area are hilltop slum neighborhoods. Don’t go there. There is a touristic site called Three Crosses (up on a mountain) - don’t go there. The further up you go, the more dangerous it gets. Towards the west of the city, there are high end residential developments at higher elevations but they are guarded and gated communities with very high walls surrounding them. Going to the Statue of Christ, a Taxi driver was kind enough to show me the all the areas along the rural road where highwaymen/robbers ambush people at night with blockades - not cool at all. South of Carrera 15 and east of Calle 5, you have a few neighborhoods - Bretana, La Alameda, Santa Monica Belacazar, Manuel M. Buenaventura, La Esperanza Bovaca - don’t go to these places! There’s nothing there you could possibly want. The further east of Calle 5 you are, the worse it gets, especially at night. North of Carrera 15 you’re probably OK, but still be careful at night anywhere you are in Cali. I stay in the San Antonio neighborhood in the northern part of Cali - it is west of Calle 5 by Carrera 4 - during the day, there are 1-2 policemen on every other intersection. At night, there are no cops. From what was explained to me, it’s easy for criminal elements in the poor far east of the city to ride a motorcycle into the city and start wreaking havoc at night. Thus, go out in groups at night if possible, phone for your cabs, and don’t walk! It is very easy to get lost at night - you cannot see the mountains to orient you. There are no distinguishing landmarks or high rise buildings to let you know relative location.
After you get south to around Carrera 50, there is a noticeable change since you’re getting to the South of the city. It’s a lot quieter and more peaceful, and somewhat safer. At the extreme south where Carrera 100 starts, you have some Universities.
LOGISTICS
After you land at the Cali airport, you can take a taxi to the city for around 50,000 - 60,000 pesos. This is pretty expensive. A better bet is to take the bus for 5,000 pesos to the bus Terminal - http://www.terminalcali.com/ - located at calle 30N and Avenida 2N in the north of the city. Then take a cab wherever you want to go. This is usually 50% - 75% more cost effective. If you want to go really really cheap, have the cab driver take you to the nearest MIO station, then bus wherever you need to go.
If you are staying for a month or more you should rent an apartment or a house. This will cost around 700,000 a month. I’ve checked from the north to the south, and this is the going rate. Hostels dorm beds will run you 15,000 - 25,000 pesos per night. Private rooms in a hostel will run up to 50,000 a night. Hostels usually won’t allow you to bring girls back. Love hotels are the way to go. Ask anyone where the love hotels are and they can probably tell you. Cab drivers will definitely know. Also, as you are walking around, you will also find some. Unlike brothels, love hotels make things very obvious. There is one across the street from the City University of Cali.
This is the website of the most famous love hotel in Cali - http://www.kissmecali.com/ . It’s not inconspicuous at all! And it’s cheap.
Packing - don’t bring a suit. You will suffocate and it make you a target for robbers. It’s very casual even in the nicest of clubs. A nice pair of jeans plus sneakers or shoes will do. This is just my opinion. Will exaggerating your exotic foreigner status with peacocking and really nice threads help with attracting women? Probably. Is it worth the extra attention you draw to yourself? Probably not. Most nights, I went out to the club with a plain single color long sleeve t-shirt with no design, my yankees cap, a pair of nike sneakers, and old navy jeans, and had no trouble socializing and meeting people. It is very casual here. Just don’t wear athletic pants and sleeveless shirts and you will be fine.
Cell Phone - read Roosh’s book about the importance of this. It is quite possibly the key to failure or success in Cali.
Spanish - read Roosh’s book about the importance of this, and how to learn Spanish. I would like to add some more to this since I am a very slow learner when it comes to Spanish. I can speak at an intermediate level, but I consider my spanish “bad.” I haven’t developed an ear for the language - normal speaking is too fast for me to capture. In total, I’ve taken 40 private lessons through skype at 45 minutes each from EasyEspanol.org. This was a lifesaver. Sadly, for me to function well in Colombia, I need to get a lot better. I recommend getting to a basic conversational level because outside of universities, most people don’t speak a single word of English, including the girls you are trying to meet. In general, the less Spanish you have, the harder it is to get with the girls. I make up for it with cool friends, social proof, and high level dancing. Also, I’ve bedded Latinas in NYC who spoke no Spanish before, using a level of Spanish that is even less than what I currently have, so this is something I am prepared for. Europeans seem to be a lot better at learning languages than Americans. If you are a Gringo that speaks no Spanish and want to be conversational by the time your trip arrives, plan half a year ahead and start studying - do everything Roosh recommends plus more - EasyEspanol lessons included.
Women of Cali - Ah, finally, the Calenas. I will attempt to write the most detailed and accurate field report of what the Calenas are actually like, because what I’ve read on forums and websites, are insufficient, and sometimes far off the mark. The first time I got to Cali, I was in shock. It took 2 more trips and plenty of thinking about the subject before I got used to the beauty - there’s a reason for this and I will explain why. Also, because men have varying tastes in women, I will attempt to address that too.
Factor 1 - LACK OF OBESITY - I’ve been to the major cities along the eastern seaboard of the USA - from Boston to NYC to Washington DC. I will use these cities as a comparison. In general, I would say that the average Calena is approximately 1 point higher on the 1-10 scale than the girls from these 3 major American cities. This applies to the women and the men. In three trips to Cali, I have not seen an obese person. There are overweight people, but none that make the BMI jump into obese category. I use the BMI scale because I’ve noticed that it’s confusing at times trying to get accurate information about the size of women. For example, there are guys who like skinny girls and the moment you show them a girl who is out of the skinny zone, they are fat or overweight.
http://www.halls.md/bmi/figures.htm
Using the visual sizing chart as a reference, I would say the general population of Cali would fall into the 2-5 category. I don’t recall seeing a serious chubster in the 6 zone or above...
The general population is close to normal healthy weight BMI, and those who are overweight are not in danger of falling into the obese zone. This makes the women more attractive in general. So in general, let’s say a girl is a 5 in the USA. Most girls are 5’s - that’s the average. This is the middle of the bell curve, and there are lots of them. Here, they are a 6 - in bangable territory. From a purely physical perspective, there is little excess weight to serve as a repellant, which results in many more bangable girls walking around.
Factor 2 - FEMININE ATTIRE - As a result of having normal body weight and not being obese, it enables the women to dress very feminine. The year-round 80 degree weather also facilitates this. This includes form fitting jeans, tight fitting tops, dresses, and high heels. Us men love this stuff! Thus, more points to the Calenas for feminine attire.
Factor 3 - Breast and Butt Implants - This stuff has an effect on us men. We are visual creatures and usually cannot help it. Although I don’t like the idea of surgery and cutting up a body for the purpose of fitting funny parts inside, I cannot help but appreciate the finished product. Even though I prefer all natural, I can’t help but be impressed by a pair of bigguns when I see them. I would assume most other men agree. I’m throwing out numbers here, but let’s say that in NYC, 5% of the girls have breast implants. Here, it’s probably double that. There’s no sure way to say, except to say that a lot of the girls have noticeable work done on their breasts, butts, or both. Furthermore, because there is less stigma and there is a lot of emphasis on vanity, the girls are not afraid to get larger size implants, which makes the effect even more powerful. The effect is even further enhanced when combined with factor 2 - their feminine attire.
Factor 4 - High Hot Girl Density (hot girls per unit of land area). Usually, very hot girls are uncommon. For some strange reason, there are just more of them here packed into this relatively small city. This is like a bonus on top of Factor 1 - in addition to many more bangable girls on average, there are noticeably more hot girls running around. For the total quantity of hot girls, the NYC metro area probably has more, but they are also spread out more over the 5 boroughs and New Jersey. In Cali, the hot Calenas are all packed into the city limits, and your chances of encountering them are higher.
Factor 5 - Pleasant Feminine Behavior, Speech, and Attitude - I saved this factor for last because I knew I would have the most difficulty describing it accurately for those reading this post. It’s something that really needs to be experienced. As a person who grew up in NYC, I’ve interacted with every kind of “American” girl you can think of while growing up - new immigrants, 1st generation, 2nd generation, people whose ancestors settled this country, every races and skin color, every age, from all over the world. In my years of living and and meeting girls through everyday interactions, I have this social awareness and understanding of what it is like to deal with women here in the big cities of the USA. For me, things don’t vary very much overall when dealing with girls in the USA. I have this baseline expectation of how I expect we interact with each other. Whether a girl is born in the USA or comes from another country, I imagine that the moment she hits US soil and starts interacting with people, there’s this massive social momentum which pushes her to conform to the “baseline” attitude/behavior. After all, it’s everywhere, and is the normal, default setting for the USA. Thus we have a baseline.
When I got to Colombia, I was my usual self, but I couldn’t help but feel very relaxed and at ease, especially while interacting with the women. This included all women, including ones that I had no sexual interest in - from teenagers to seniors. I tried recalling the last time I felt like this, and I definitely did not feel like this while on vacation in Germany, Morocco, throughout southeast Asia, or anywhere in the USA. The interactions with Colombianas were unusually pleasant. After my second trip back, I started reading more manosphere stuff and then realized - holy moly. So this is what pleasant feminine behavior, speech, and attitude feels like. I’ve never experienced this much of it before in one place where it is so pervasive. The “baseline” in Colombia is noticeably different from the baseline in the USA (my experience is limited to the big cities of the East and West coasts).
Strangely enough, I thought the person who described it best was Winston Wu - http://www.happierabroad.com/ForeignWomen.htm. You get the idea. No snarling girls: (http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/12/0...e-smirk/).
Don’t get me wrong - Colombianas are not perfect goddesses. There are ones who are batshit crazy and stupidly emotional out there. However, I would imagine that for most men, dealing with Colombians is more pleasant, and less mentally stressful and taxing overall.
I did manage to encounter some Colombianas who seemed oddly American - they did not like wearing heels, had shorter hair, and studied and spoke English. >-=o(
As an American experiencing this for the first time, it gave me sensory overload. It took me 2 more trips to fully process everything. The above 5 factors were so radically different from what I experienced back home. I thought I was in heaven. I imagine this is how many Americans feel when they get to meet Calenas for the first time. And, when the testosterone is pumping and you are in vacation mode, it’s hard to analyze anything beyond “MUST GET HOT GIRLS!” After my third and most recent trip and a somewhat more extended stay, the effect wore off a bit after I started to expect the new normal. I was also able to think clearly about why men might not like the women of Cali, and was able to come up with the following:
Calenas seem to hit the wall earlier here, but also less hard. In NYC, I see plenty of cute and hot older women in their late 20s and early 30’s, but I would draw the line in Cali at 25. It seems to me that a huge part of their beauty comes from the youthful glow. Once it fades around the mid 20s, so does the hotness. They no longer pass the boner test, but the fade after that is much more gradual. Keep in mind factor 1 is always present as they age, so you never see things degrade to http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/ levels.
Few tall girls - Colombianas are not tall. European and North American girls are noticeably taller. Good luck trying to find tall, long-legged models like the Victoria’s secret girls. Most Calenas are not tall. 5’6” would be tall. Many would hover around the 5’ range. European girls are noticeably taller on average than Calenas.
No blondes - hair comes in one variety - dark.
No asians - self explanatory.
Few black women, and women with very dark skin - Having explored most of the city (minus the dangerous parts), I found surprisingly few dark skinned women. If you are looking for negritas, Cali is not the place for you. This is as dark as they get: http://counterculturebeauty.com/wp-conte...e-Skin.bmp
Very few pale, white skinned girls - if white skin is for you, go to Medellin. Cali women are usually in between the bronze I linked to above and 1 or 2 shades darker than the powder white Paisas.
GAME - read Roosh’s book.
Internet Game - Back in NYC, I have never done online game before since I’ve never needed it. Cold approach is my bread and butter, but I decided to test out everything that Roosh’s book recommended for internet game, as an experiment. I paid to join 3 sites for a duration of 3 months each: Amigos.com, Badoo.com. and ColombianCupid.com. I considered LatinEuro.com but read too much negative stuff about it so decided against it. I used almost the exact template recommended by Roosh while messaging girls. I can say that I am in shape but not tall, not good looking, but not ugly either.
Amigos.com - total waste of time. No girls from Cali on it at all. FAIL. Don’t bother.
Badoo - Using narrowed search criteria to limit my search to dark haired women under 25 years of age under 5’7” tall, I got something like 25,000 results if I remember correctly. 3 months before my trip, I must have messaged around 100 girls over several weeks. No bites whatsoever. I found a couple of cam girls working for money. 60% of responses were not read. Of the responses that were read, all were ignored but one. I managed to strike up a conversation with her and we messaged back and forth, but her account was deleted - perhaps she was a scammer. I’m interested in whether other people have had success in Cali with Badoo. Maybe I’m misunderstanding the site and it’s not for dating? I don’t think it has anything to do with the race or ugly factor because I got more hits on ColombianCupid, on less girls contacted.
ColombianCupid - This was the best of the three. I used this site in 2011 and 2012, and it was alright. Definitely sign up for the 3 month option. I messaged 50 girls. For my trip in 2012, I managed to have conversations with 2 girls I found to be HOT, and 2 girls that were OK. The 2 girls that were OK gave me their number, but I had other options when I landed in Cali and wound up not calling them. The 2 hot girls I had good conversation with, and about 1 week before I left, I asked them for their numbers. This time period also happened to coincide with a long stretch of time where they didn’t log on. They only responded with their numbers after I was back stateside, DOH! Get the numbers early! I suspect that I may have gotten limited results online due to my physical attributes, and that others might do better. I would use CC again.
Daytime Game - by far your best option. If you have no idea how to meet women and go from a cold approach to a lay, get some experience before you come to Cali because you are not high level enough. I personally trained through the school of Real Social Dynamics, but I highly recommend both of Roosh’s books Bang and Day Bang. You will find the hot girls just randomly walking the street during the daytime, or in malls. While inquiring about Spanish language programs, I checked out 2 universities, and I think a guy who has some game and Spanish would definitely do better in the malls or on the streets. I was not impressed by the girls I saw at the Universities after 2 stays at each for approximately 2 hours each. I feel that I need more data before I forget about Universities as places for meeting women.
Malls - Malls are a great place to meet women, but you need to have game, and you need to be able to cold approach. Be ready to talk to a girl and her mom/cousin/sister at the same time - in Spanish. If you only look for lone wolves, you will miss out on many opportunities. Many hot girls are already with guys. If a girl is with a guy, it’s obvious if they’re together. There seem to be less ambiguous semi-orbiter dudes with girls compared to what you see in America. If a girl is with a dude, I get the clear impression that she is doting on him. Chipichape is a great mall and it’s in the north. Palmetto Plaza is somewhat further south. Unicentro and Jardin Plaza are in the south.
Mall bars - Inside the malls are many little places where you can sit and get alcohol. Colombia is a lot more relaxed than the USA when it comes to alcohol. It’s no big deal here and makes NYC feel like a police state. Mall bars are superb for dates less casual than dinner or for insta dating girls you meet at the mall. Other insta date options include Juan Valdez (Colombian version of Starbucks) or ice cream places within malls.
Supermarkets are great places to meet girls - there are tons of employees there waiting around to help customers, and you also have the customers to game.
Nighttime Game - I described nighttime game a bit in the Medellin section. Everything there applies to Cali as well.
I've been to Cali, Colombia three times over the past four years. The first time was part of an insane whirlwind trip in March of 2009 around the entire country where I visited Bogota, Medellin, Cartagena, Santa Marta, and Cali in 10 days, spending approximately 1-3 days in each city depending on how interesting it was. First, I'll talk briefly about my impressions of each place. I was not impressed with Bogota, Santa Marta, and Cartagena - I'll talk about those first. I was impressed by Medellin and Cali, and I’ll include more details.
Bogota - Big City which feels endlessly large and from what I remember. Although the weather is nothing compared to the punishing winters of Canda and North America, the weather in Bogota is not something that most people would consider ideal vacation weather. I didn't spend enough time to explore the city and nightlife and get a good understanding of the women, but from going out to a few bars, I remember being far more impressed by the women of Medellin and Cali. I’ll let others do the talking about Bogota - this city is not interesting to me.
Santa Marta - This is a beach town that is popular as a tourist destination for Colombians. If you're looking for a nice beach, I would not recommend this place. I was expecting a very nice beach from what I read, but I was definitely more impressed by beaches in Miami, Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, the rest of the Caribbean, and the islands of Thailand (the ones more off the beaten path). If I had to compare it to a beach, it would probably be close to Pattaya or Phuket of Thailand, which are both rather crappy. The weather here can be punishingly hot - like a desert. There are catci growing on the side of the roads from the airport leading to the town. Strangely enough, there are groups of people harvesting these cacti on the hillsides - I call them the cactus ninjas. As I arrived on a weekday (from what I remember), the nightlife was completely dead. I was told that there is good partying at an adjacent town 5 minutes away known as Rodadero. I actually went there, but didn't see anything that made me want to stay. Also, I didn't see any hot girls. Within hours of landing at the airport in the morning and having explored the city, my buddy and I made plans to go to Cartagena. Back in 2009, I learned that tourists from other countries to Santa Marta were rare, which is why people kept staring at me and my buddy.
Journey from Santa Marta to Cartagena - I took a bus from Santa Marta to Cartagena and made a stop at Barranquilla. From what I was able to observe of Barranquilla going to the bus terminal, the place is very dusty, sandy, hot, and ugly. This was confirmed by friends from Cali who have gone there. They told me not to bother visiting the place. It was during this bus trip that I had the misfortune of experiencing Colombian time for the first time. The bus ticket vendor at Santa Marta told me that the trip would take something around 4 hours from what I remember. It wound up taking around 6 hours. Also, the bus driver was insane - this is something that may be common across all of Colombia with buses. In an effort to go faster, the bus driver would pass cars in front of him by driving on the opposite side of the road against oncoming traffic. This was not cool. Also, during the first leg of the bus journey to Barranquilla, there was a prolonged torrential downpour - there was no visibility whatsoever. Yet, the bus driver never slowed down. I am grateful I made it to Barranquilla then Cartagena alive. Be very careful when thinking about traveling from town to town on buses, especially the overnight ones. From extreme cold to robbers to the utter lack of lights and safety in the mountains to insane drivers, I would definitely recommend taking planes everywhere. The only upside of the bus journey was meeting a very cute Colombian girl who I opened and who told me within the first few minutes that she thought I was beautiful. Looking back, I should have attempted to bang her in the bathroom since I would never see her again. This was my first experience with how forward and affectionate Colombian women can be. She got off at Barranquilla and I continued to Cartagena.
Cartagena - This is a coastal city which reminded me of Miami. The Colonial town is worth visiting but the prices of everything are much higher than what you will find in Medellin and Cali. I'll write more about the costs of Cali but if money is a concern, there is better bang for the buck than Cartagena. The food at the expensive restaurants is very good. I arrived on a weekday, and unfortunately, did not get to experience the nightlife. We tried to look for some and hired a taxi to take us around, but we couldn't find anything worth going to. Also, the women I did see while walking around during the daytime, were not beautiful in any noteworthy way. I don't remember being able to locate an actual beach - the Colonial town was bordered by the Ocean, but I'm not sure if there is an actual beach. From what I saw in 2 days, I probably won't be visiting here again.
Medellin - I was very impressed by Medellin and thoroughly enjoyed my time here.
Medellin is a beautiful city. The weather is great, and the prices reasonable and comparable to Cali. It's called the City of Eternal Spring for a reason - year round there is warm spring-like weather. A brief period of light rain usually happens once or twice during the day. I find this refreshing and I have a feeling it contributes to the greenery of the city. Usually when it is raining, the sun is out and it is bright - I'm not sure how that happens but it's interesting. With the great weather comes lots of greenery, parks, outdoor dining locations, and less clothing on the girls. There is great train system. I think it’s dangerous at night. I recommend doing more research on the topic of safety in Medellin if you are thinking of going. There is conflicting information everywhere – yes there has been massive development and there are some very nice upscale places. Some sources will tout the reduction in violence, the end of Pablo Escobar, etc. However, the hillside slums are ominously visible everywhere you go in the city wherever you look up at the hills surrounding the city. For me, danger was always a concern.
Women - A lot of men will find that the women here are very beautiful. In fact, right after I got off the plane at the airport, I saw a beautiful girl who worked there. My eyes and head continued to face her as my feet walked in another direction, and I walked right into a guy in front of me and tripped over his luggage. I was definitely impressed, and I didn't even leave the airport yet! Now, before anyone goes and books a flight to Medellin, I recommend reading my notes below about the women of Cali. I've thought a lot about this subject now that I have spent much more time in the country and the shock of Colombian beauty has worn off. The Paisa women have a very fair white complexion and hair color which ranges from dark black to dirty blonde (I don’t think naturally platinum blonde Paisas exist). With skin color being a constant, the women are shorter on average than European and American Caucasian women. Paisas, being Latinas, also have more good curves – sometimes substantially more.
Nightlife and meeting women - I went out two nights on the weekend – the first was to Mangos which I believe is now closed. It was a famous club and very expensive by Colombian standards. The women partying were beautiful and the club dancers were stunning. Unfortunately, they were 100% mixed sets, and trying to run social game felt unsafe, as my sense from growing up in the hood told me that there was a high probability that the men with these beautiful women were narcos aka drug lords. Everything from Mixx’s Medellin thread applies - http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-6707.html. Forget about meeting women during the night time. Day game is absolutely necessary. Spanish is highly highly recommended. No one speaks English. For those who are skilled with game, they can make it work and attract women even if their Spanish is at a “pitiful” level –I’ve been able to do it in Cali, but I was able to rely on a very high level of Latin dancing to help with the process. I am socially proofed with local Colombian friends plus I have years experience running game on Latinas in NYC, including Colombian spots in New Jersey and Queens. If you are an average beta-ish guy from a Western country with limited field experience and who has difficulty moving from a cold approach daytime opener to a bang, don’t come to Medellin expecting to get laid without some serious effort. Having anything less than a fluid and conversational level of Spanish will be a handicap. You may find some cute ones girls on ColombianCupid and manage to score due to pre-selection based on looks, but the hot and uber hot ones will be very challenging and will probably require a herculean level of approaches to acquire a bang. The Poblado area has a long chain of bars and clubs that are packed during the weekend, with very favorable ratio of women to men the last time I was there. You can find groups of girls (without guys) there that are open to being approached but again, unless you have strong Spanish and can hold a conversation over blasting reggaeton and everyone else in the club screaming to be heard, you’re not going to get anywhere. Being awesome and charismatic with crap Spanish is probably enough, but if the thought of having to open and hold the attention of a group of hot girls in a language that you are not fluent in bothers you, you’re going to have a hard time here. Someone correct me if I’m wrong on this one, but I don’t think Colombian has a strong one night stand/same night sex culture – it is stigmatized. So, expect to get a number which will require a follow up date. And finally, to make things even more difficult, Colombians don’t drink to excess. In all my trips and all my nights out, I’ve only seen one really really drunk person. It can be 5 AM after a night of partying that started at 10 PM with nonstop beer and liquor, but everyone is still sober enough to maintain salsa rhythm and spin around, and usually hold a good conversation. They pace themselves, and I did not see any of the binge drinking “SHOTS SHOTS SHOTS SHOTS SHOTS” stuff you see in the USA. Also, in many places, they serve pitchers of water with bottle of alcohols so that has a drunkenness mitigating effect. So if all you have is drunken night game, I doubt it will be as effective in Colombia. I don’t have too much experience with Medellin, but I think it would be safe to assume that the safety rules of Cali would also apply to Medellin, which is similarly dangerous. In Cali, people go out with their family members and close friends, and everyone makes sure everyone gets home alive. As always, having cool Colombian friends, wingmen, and other types of social proof always helps. If anyone has actual field experience specific to Medellin, please share your thoughts.
Cali - If it wasn’t for family ties in NYC, I would definitely move here. This is one of my favorite places in the world - if I really think about it, it just might top the list. With that in mind, I will share my thoughts on this city while trying not to revert into starstruck teenage cheerleader mode.
I would like to thank Roosh for writing Bang Colombia. To everyone who plans to go to Colombia with the hope of meeting the local women there - buy the book! I’ll follow the format of his book as I write my report. I guess it’s one long field report of me testing out what he recommended.
WELCOME TO CALI- Roosh wrote about it being “just a matter of time” until the Colombian city of Medellin becomes spoiled like Rio. I haven’t been to Rio and haven’t been back to Medellin in a few years, but I can say that Cali is far from being spoiled. Although with each passing year there seems to be more foreigners, they don’t stay long. I personally don’t mind tourists, but for those who are concerned, I think there are many enjoyable years left to be had. I also believe that Cali is less appealing to tourists in general. There’s not much to do. There’s a water park, a scenic view from the statue of Christ, some small gold museums, a few churches (with one being on a hilltop park), a few modern malls, a wonderful zoo, and a few universities for locals, and strong salsa culture. That’s all that will appeal to tourists passing by. Everything else is low-rise residential spread across the entire city. The architecture of the low rise buildings is nothing special - if you’re in the southern residential zones, you have cookie cutter apartment buildings with terraces being built everywhere. Existing 1 -2 story houses all look the same and are usually white. Toward the north you have small single story commercial buildings with restaurants, liquor stores, pizza shops, clothing stores, etc. The buildings in the north are older, and the blocks pretty much look the same, and are very cramped. It’s also not very pretty. There’s far less greenery and parks compared to Medellin, and concrete highways look old.
From what was explained to me, Colombian minimum wage per MONTH based on a 48 hour work week is 600,000 pesos. At an exchange rate of 1800 pesos to the dollar, this works out to $333 per month or about $1.75 per hour. That’s not much. I asked every Cab driver the same question - how much do you make in a good day, and how much do you make during a bad day (net, after their cab rental fare is paid). I got consistent answers - 20,000 pesos on a bad day, 100,000 on a good day, working 6 days a week. Average this out to 60,000 per day ($33.00 USD), cab drivers make approximately $800/month. In Cali, I felt there was far less hustling and aggressive street vendors than compare with Medellin. Roosh’s observation about “desperate masses tripping over each other to sell you things like gum and cigarettes,” was very true for Medellin, but not at all for Cali. There are people selling things, but they are far from aggressive. Also, friends who know people who sell gum, cigarettes, and potato chips for a living, tell me that they don’t make bad money doing this in Cali. This makes for a more relaxed experience as a tourist - I was never targeted. I come from NYC and have noticed that when people trying to hustle on the street for a buck approach other people in NYC, they are met with looks of disgust, disdain, etc. Having observed what goes on in Cali, it seems that people are more compassionate in this regard. They buy gum and other stuff if they have spare change even if they don’t particularly need or want it. They seem to want to help out their fellow struggling Colombians.
SAFETY AND GEOGRAPHY - It is a bad idea to have obvious displays of wealth anywhere. Don’t show the $500 smartphone, the iPad, the Breitling, the Rolex, the gold chain, etc. Do not suit up/down/left/right - no suits! It makes you a target for robbers. Other safety advice you can pick up from the guidebooks and wiki travel is also good.
Here’s a map for Cali. This also happens to be the site of the city bus service - http://www.mio.com.co/index.html/es/plan-de-ruta
I like to use where Calle 5 and Carrera 15 meet as a starting point. The main street west of Calle 5 is C1 or Avenida C. To the west of this area are hilltop slum neighborhoods. Don’t go there. There is a touristic site called Three Crosses (up on a mountain) - don’t go there. The further up you go, the more dangerous it gets. Towards the west of the city, there are high end residential developments at higher elevations but they are guarded and gated communities with very high walls surrounding them. Going to the Statue of Christ, a Taxi driver was kind enough to show me the all the areas along the rural road where highwaymen/robbers ambush people at night with blockades - not cool at all. South of Carrera 15 and east of Calle 5, you have a few neighborhoods - Bretana, La Alameda, Santa Monica Belacazar, Manuel M. Buenaventura, La Esperanza Bovaca - don’t go to these places! There’s nothing there you could possibly want. The further east of Calle 5 you are, the worse it gets, especially at night. North of Carrera 15 you’re probably OK, but still be careful at night anywhere you are in Cali. I stay in the San Antonio neighborhood in the northern part of Cali - it is west of Calle 5 by Carrera 4 - during the day, there are 1-2 policemen on every other intersection. At night, there are no cops. From what was explained to me, it’s easy for criminal elements in the poor far east of the city to ride a motorcycle into the city and start wreaking havoc at night. Thus, go out in groups at night if possible, phone for your cabs, and don’t walk! It is very easy to get lost at night - you cannot see the mountains to orient you. There are no distinguishing landmarks or high rise buildings to let you know relative location.
After you get south to around Carrera 50, there is a noticeable change since you’re getting to the South of the city. It’s a lot quieter and more peaceful, and somewhat safer. At the extreme south where Carrera 100 starts, you have some Universities.
LOGISTICS
After you land at the Cali airport, you can take a taxi to the city for around 50,000 - 60,000 pesos. This is pretty expensive. A better bet is to take the bus for 5,000 pesos to the bus Terminal - http://www.terminalcali.com/ - located at calle 30N and Avenida 2N in the north of the city. Then take a cab wherever you want to go. This is usually 50% - 75% more cost effective. If you want to go really really cheap, have the cab driver take you to the nearest MIO station, then bus wherever you need to go.
If you are staying for a month or more you should rent an apartment or a house. This will cost around 700,000 a month. I’ve checked from the north to the south, and this is the going rate. Hostels dorm beds will run you 15,000 - 25,000 pesos per night. Private rooms in a hostel will run up to 50,000 a night. Hostels usually won’t allow you to bring girls back. Love hotels are the way to go. Ask anyone where the love hotels are and they can probably tell you. Cab drivers will definitely know. Also, as you are walking around, you will also find some. Unlike brothels, love hotels make things very obvious. There is one across the street from the City University of Cali.
This is the website of the most famous love hotel in Cali - http://www.kissmecali.com/ . It’s not inconspicuous at all! And it’s cheap.
Packing - don’t bring a suit. You will suffocate and it make you a target for robbers. It’s very casual even in the nicest of clubs. A nice pair of jeans plus sneakers or shoes will do. This is just my opinion. Will exaggerating your exotic foreigner status with peacocking and really nice threads help with attracting women? Probably. Is it worth the extra attention you draw to yourself? Probably not. Most nights, I went out to the club with a plain single color long sleeve t-shirt with no design, my yankees cap, a pair of nike sneakers, and old navy jeans, and had no trouble socializing and meeting people. It is very casual here. Just don’t wear athletic pants and sleeveless shirts and you will be fine.
Cell Phone - read Roosh’s book about the importance of this. It is quite possibly the key to failure or success in Cali.
Spanish - read Roosh’s book about the importance of this, and how to learn Spanish. I would like to add some more to this since I am a very slow learner when it comes to Spanish. I can speak at an intermediate level, but I consider my spanish “bad.” I haven’t developed an ear for the language - normal speaking is too fast for me to capture. In total, I’ve taken 40 private lessons through skype at 45 minutes each from EasyEspanol.org. This was a lifesaver. Sadly, for me to function well in Colombia, I need to get a lot better. I recommend getting to a basic conversational level because outside of universities, most people don’t speak a single word of English, including the girls you are trying to meet. In general, the less Spanish you have, the harder it is to get with the girls. I make up for it with cool friends, social proof, and high level dancing. Also, I’ve bedded Latinas in NYC who spoke no Spanish before, using a level of Spanish that is even less than what I currently have, so this is something I am prepared for. Europeans seem to be a lot better at learning languages than Americans. If you are a Gringo that speaks no Spanish and want to be conversational by the time your trip arrives, plan half a year ahead and start studying - do everything Roosh recommends plus more - EasyEspanol lessons included.
Women of Cali - Ah, finally, the Calenas. I will attempt to write the most detailed and accurate field report of what the Calenas are actually like, because what I’ve read on forums and websites, are insufficient, and sometimes far off the mark. The first time I got to Cali, I was in shock. It took 2 more trips and plenty of thinking about the subject before I got used to the beauty - there’s a reason for this and I will explain why. Also, because men have varying tastes in women, I will attempt to address that too.
Factor 1 - LACK OF OBESITY - I’ve been to the major cities along the eastern seaboard of the USA - from Boston to NYC to Washington DC. I will use these cities as a comparison. In general, I would say that the average Calena is approximately 1 point higher on the 1-10 scale than the girls from these 3 major American cities. This applies to the women and the men. In three trips to Cali, I have not seen an obese person. There are overweight people, but none that make the BMI jump into obese category. I use the BMI scale because I’ve noticed that it’s confusing at times trying to get accurate information about the size of women. For example, there are guys who like skinny girls and the moment you show them a girl who is out of the skinny zone, they are fat or overweight.
http://www.halls.md/bmi/figures.htm
Using the visual sizing chart as a reference, I would say the general population of Cali would fall into the 2-5 category. I don’t recall seeing a serious chubster in the 6 zone or above...
The general population is close to normal healthy weight BMI, and those who are overweight are not in danger of falling into the obese zone. This makes the women more attractive in general. So in general, let’s say a girl is a 5 in the USA. Most girls are 5’s - that’s the average. This is the middle of the bell curve, and there are lots of them. Here, they are a 6 - in bangable territory. From a purely physical perspective, there is little excess weight to serve as a repellant, which results in many more bangable girls walking around.
Factor 2 - FEMININE ATTIRE - As a result of having normal body weight and not being obese, it enables the women to dress very feminine. The year-round 80 degree weather also facilitates this. This includes form fitting jeans, tight fitting tops, dresses, and high heels. Us men love this stuff! Thus, more points to the Calenas for feminine attire.
Factor 3 - Breast and Butt Implants - This stuff has an effect on us men. We are visual creatures and usually cannot help it. Although I don’t like the idea of surgery and cutting up a body for the purpose of fitting funny parts inside, I cannot help but appreciate the finished product. Even though I prefer all natural, I can’t help but be impressed by a pair of bigguns when I see them. I would assume most other men agree. I’m throwing out numbers here, but let’s say that in NYC, 5% of the girls have breast implants. Here, it’s probably double that. There’s no sure way to say, except to say that a lot of the girls have noticeable work done on their breasts, butts, or both. Furthermore, because there is less stigma and there is a lot of emphasis on vanity, the girls are not afraid to get larger size implants, which makes the effect even more powerful. The effect is even further enhanced when combined with factor 2 - their feminine attire.
Factor 4 - High Hot Girl Density (hot girls per unit of land area). Usually, very hot girls are uncommon. For some strange reason, there are just more of them here packed into this relatively small city. This is like a bonus on top of Factor 1 - in addition to many more bangable girls on average, there are noticeably more hot girls running around. For the total quantity of hot girls, the NYC metro area probably has more, but they are also spread out more over the 5 boroughs and New Jersey. In Cali, the hot Calenas are all packed into the city limits, and your chances of encountering them are higher.
Factor 5 - Pleasant Feminine Behavior, Speech, and Attitude - I saved this factor for last because I knew I would have the most difficulty describing it accurately for those reading this post. It’s something that really needs to be experienced. As a person who grew up in NYC, I’ve interacted with every kind of “American” girl you can think of while growing up - new immigrants, 1st generation, 2nd generation, people whose ancestors settled this country, every races and skin color, every age, from all over the world. In my years of living and and meeting girls through everyday interactions, I have this social awareness and understanding of what it is like to deal with women here in the big cities of the USA. For me, things don’t vary very much overall when dealing with girls in the USA. I have this baseline expectation of how I expect we interact with each other. Whether a girl is born in the USA or comes from another country, I imagine that the moment she hits US soil and starts interacting with people, there’s this massive social momentum which pushes her to conform to the “baseline” attitude/behavior. After all, it’s everywhere, and is the normal, default setting for the USA. Thus we have a baseline.
When I got to Colombia, I was my usual self, but I couldn’t help but feel very relaxed and at ease, especially while interacting with the women. This included all women, including ones that I had no sexual interest in - from teenagers to seniors. I tried recalling the last time I felt like this, and I definitely did not feel like this while on vacation in Germany, Morocco, throughout southeast Asia, or anywhere in the USA. The interactions with Colombianas were unusually pleasant. After my second trip back, I started reading more manosphere stuff and then realized - holy moly. So this is what pleasant feminine behavior, speech, and attitude feels like. I’ve never experienced this much of it before in one place where it is so pervasive. The “baseline” in Colombia is noticeably different from the baseline in the USA (my experience is limited to the big cities of the East and West coasts).
Strangely enough, I thought the person who described it best was Winston Wu - http://www.happierabroad.com/ForeignWomen.htm. You get the idea. No snarling girls: (http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/12/0...e-smirk/).
Don’t get me wrong - Colombianas are not perfect goddesses. There are ones who are batshit crazy and stupidly emotional out there. However, I would imagine that for most men, dealing with Colombians is more pleasant, and less mentally stressful and taxing overall.
I did manage to encounter some Colombianas who seemed oddly American - they did not like wearing heels, had shorter hair, and studied and spoke English. >-=o(
As an American experiencing this for the first time, it gave me sensory overload. It took me 2 more trips to fully process everything. The above 5 factors were so radically different from what I experienced back home. I thought I was in heaven. I imagine this is how many Americans feel when they get to meet Calenas for the first time. And, when the testosterone is pumping and you are in vacation mode, it’s hard to analyze anything beyond “MUST GET HOT GIRLS!” After my third and most recent trip and a somewhat more extended stay, the effect wore off a bit after I started to expect the new normal. I was also able to think clearly about why men might not like the women of Cali, and was able to come up with the following:
Calenas seem to hit the wall earlier here, but also less hard. In NYC, I see plenty of cute and hot older women in their late 20s and early 30’s, but I would draw the line in Cali at 25. It seems to me that a huge part of their beauty comes from the youthful glow. Once it fades around the mid 20s, so does the hotness. They no longer pass the boner test, but the fade after that is much more gradual. Keep in mind factor 1 is always present as they age, so you never see things degrade to http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/ levels.
Few tall girls - Colombianas are not tall. European and North American girls are noticeably taller. Good luck trying to find tall, long-legged models like the Victoria’s secret girls. Most Calenas are not tall. 5’6” would be tall. Many would hover around the 5’ range. European girls are noticeably taller on average than Calenas.
No blondes - hair comes in one variety - dark.
No asians - self explanatory.
Few black women, and women with very dark skin - Having explored most of the city (minus the dangerous parts), I found surprisingly few dark skinned women. If you are looking for negritas, Cali is not the place for you. This is as dark as they get: http://counterculturebeauty.com/wp-conte...e-Skin.bmp
Very few pale, white skinned girls - if white skin is for you, go to Medellin. Cali women are usually in between the bronze I linked to above and 1 or 2 shades darker than the powder white Paisas.
GAME - read Roosh’s book.
Internet Game - Back in NYC, I have never done online game before since I’ve never needed it. Cold approach is my bread and butter, but I decided to test out everything that Roosh’s book recommended for internet game, as an experiment. I paid to join 3 sites for a duration of 3 months each: Amigos.com, Badoo.com. and ColombianCupid.com. I considered LatinEuro.com but read too much negative stuff about it so decided against it. I used almost the exact template recommended by Roosh while messaging girls. I can say that I am in shape but not tall, not good looking, but not ugly either.
Amigos.com - total waste of time. No girls from Cali on it at all. FAIL. Don’t bother.
Badoo - Using narrowed search criteria to limit my search to dark haired women under 25 years of age under 5’7” tall, I got something like 25,000 results if I remember correctly. 3 months before my trip, I must have messaged around 100 girls over several weeks. No bites whatsoever. I found a couple of cam girls working for money. 60% of responses were not read. Of the responses that were read, all were ignored but one. I managed to strike up a conversation with her and we messaged back and forth, but her account was deleted - perhaps she was a scammer. I’m interested in whether other people have had success in Cali with Badoo. Maybe I’m misunderstanding the site and it’s not for dating? I don’t think it has anything to do with the race or ugly factor because I got more hits on ColombianCupid, on less girls contacted.
ColombianCupid - This was the best of the three. I used this site in 2011 and 2012, and it was alright. Definitely sign up for the 3 month option. I messaged 50 girls. For my trip in 2012, I managed to have conversations with 2 girls I found to be HOT, and 2 girls that were OK. The 2 girls that were OK gave me their number, but I had other options when I landed in Cali and wound up not calling them. The 2 hot girls I had good conversation with, and about 1 week before I left, I asked them for their numbers. This time period also happened to coincide with a long stretch of time where they didn’t log on. They only responded with their numbers after I was back stateside, DOH! Get the numbers early! I suspect that I may have gotten limited results online due to my physical attributes, and that others might do better. I would use CC again.
Daytime Game - by far your best option. If you have no idea how to meet women and go from a cold approach to a lay, get some experience before you come to Cali because you are not high level enough. I personally trained through the school of Real Social Dynamics, but I highly recommend both of Roosh’s books Bang and Day Bang. You will find the hot girls just randomly walking the street during the daytime, or in malls. While inquiring about Spanish language programs, I checked out 2 universities, and I think a guy who has some game and Spanish would definitely do better in the malls or on the streets. I was not impressed by the girls I saw at the Universities after 2 stays at each for approximately 2 hours each. I feel that I need more data before I forget about Universities as places for meeting women.
Malls - Malls are a great place to meet women, but you need to have game, and you need to be able to cold approach. Be ready to talk to a girl and her mom/cousin/sister at the same time - in Spanish. If you only look for lone wolves, you will miss out on many opportunities. Many hot girls are already with guys. If a girl is with a guy, it’s obvious if they’re together. There seem to be less ambiguous semi-orbiter dudes with girls compared to what you see in America. If a girl is with a dude, I get the clear impression that she is doting on him. Chipichape is a great mall and it’s in the north. Palmetto Plaza is somewhat further south. Unicentro and Jardin Plaza are in the south.
Mall bars - Inside the malls are many little places where you can sit and get alcohol. Colombia is a lot more relaxed than the USA when it comes to alcohol. It’s no big deal here and makes NYC feel like a police state. Mall bars are superb for dates less casual than dinner or for insta dating girls you meet at the mall. Other insta date options include Juan Valdez (Colombian version of Starbucks) or ice cream places within malls.
Supermarkets are great places to meet girls - there are tons of employees there waiting around to help customers, and you also have the customers to game.
Nighttime Game - I described nighttime game a bit in the Medellin section. Everything there applies to Cali as well.
