[WestIndianArchie]

Have any of you guys included the opportunity costs in your calculations?

I just did, and now I'm depressed.

Which then brings me to another #'s question, value of the lay?
- 1st lay
- 2nd-5th
- 6th and beyond

What dollar # do you put on a chick?

A hour of work
A day?
A week?
A career?

WIA.

[Giovonny]

I see my cost per notch like this..

Lisa -- 75 bucks worth of food, 40 bucks worth of taxis, 60 bucks worth of comedy club tickets, 4 hours of my social time= Bad

Danielle -- 30 bucks worth of food, 10 bucks worth of wine, 4 hours of my social time = Decent

Erika -- 10 bucks worth of vodka, 5 bucks worth of juice, 5 bucks worth of weed, 10 bucks worth of food, 3 hours of my social time = Good

Melissa -- 5 bucks worth of weed, 5 bucks worth of ice cream, 4 hours of my social time = Really good.

Tanya - 4 hours of my social time = Great

[Giovonny]

fuck delete

it sucks how we cant delete posts when we accidently double post like this

another reason i like younger college girls is because they are often easily satisfied -- a decent meal, a funny tv show, some decent weed, decent wine, a decent apartment off campus, a decently attractive older guy --this is often enough to get them to bang.

[WestIndianArchie]

(12-29-2012 05:27 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

fuck delete

it sucks how we cant delete posts when we accidently double post like this

another reason i like younger college girls is because they are often easily satisfied -- a decent meal, a funny tv show, some decent weed, decent wine, a decent apartment off campus, a decently attractive older guy --this is often enough to get them to bang.

I'm sure if I focused on the under 18-22 set I could pull like that, but my sweet spot is the 26-29 set.

Yeah, but the young chicks...man, so few hang ups, so little baggage, very little to impress. Although they might be slower to bang as compared to the marriage ready chicks I fool with, it still ends up being better for short stints.

WIA

[DVY]

I had this down when I lived in SF. I only did activities w/new girls around my area- Lower Pacific Heights.

Heres a typical schedule- Girl comes around 7.30. We grab a drink first at mine for 20 mins, then walk to dinner w/the drink in hand. Order thai food w/out menu plus 1 large sake- bill 26 dollars. Drop 30 buxs total.

8.45pm- Walk home, chill on couch/bed a little drunk w/her, put pandora Hip hop and R-B on. Make-out and sometimes bang 9.15pm.

Kick her out by 11-12pm. Shower-sleep- set alarm for school next morn. Total bill- 30 buxs and 5 buxs of vodka or rum/juice/soda, 2 hrs spent talking/dining/walking, 1hr banging, 30-45 mins relaxing w/her, 25% of time I bang again... Sleep.

I would take all the girls on the same dates/same restaurants near my place. First nice thai place My Ivy, then cheapo mexican delicious food Ocean Taqueria, then Cheese-steak shop on Divisadero, Korean restaurant Nan (that I knew the managers, where I got hooked up/set up w/tables first) on Fillmore, then ramen Tanpopo in J-town, then if she was very special I would take her sunday to Fresca in SF( split a paella w/her).

Re-cap, total time spent- minimal, only weekdays, transition girls into cheaper foods that I loved more regularly. Never take a girl to an expensive restaurant. I made this mistake early w/girls. You take her somewhere too nice, and she thinks you want to "marry and settle". She refuses to bang until date 3.

For all you playboys out there, try this drink. Guaranteed panty-dropper- 3-4 shots of captain morgan, ice, sprite-zero, and guava juice(kerns). If you have 1 of these w/a girl, and she has 1-2 more drinks, shes rolling 3-4 drinks deep pre-food and 5-6 drinks deep by 9pm.

Cpt Morgan+sprite tastes like cream soda. Add Guava and it tastes like cream soda w/a dash of guava...Not 1 girl has ever said it tastes bad.

I got a playboy reputation at these places. I would walk in w/different girls constantly. The staff always thought it was hysterical...and gave me fantastic service.

@WIA- 1st date 18 buxs dollars on her, 2hours social time. 2nd-5th date, 12-15 buxs on her, 1 hour of social time. Transition into steady semi-GF, 15 buxs on her, 1-2 hours of social time.

[WestIndianArchie]

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[Vicious]

The problem with a CPN metric is that not all notches are alike. I don't mind pulling out a couple of Franklins if it means I can get a couple of good drinks and a porter house steak while gaming a hottie.

[Prowl]

I dont keep track nor do I care.

I invite girls to come along on whatever im doing anyway. Might be cheap, might be expensive, but its whatever I feel like doing. I dont take them anywhere I wouldnt already be going anyway.

I will buy them a few drinks usually, but never on approach, only later, and usually because they are 18-25 and im older than that and have more cash. I dont really think about it too much.

[thegmanifesto]

(12-30-2012 02:53 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

The problem with a CPN metric is that not all notches are alike. I don't mind pulling out a couple of Franklins if it means I can get a couple of good drinks and a porter house steak while gaming a hottie.

Exactly.

Your cost per notch goes up as your tastes in life go up.

When I was a kid, my cost per notch was zero or really cheap. Some weed, a beach view, maybe a quesadilla with extra guac.

Now, I like eating at dope places with pretty girls. I like wine. I like cocktails. Cost per notch goes up.

(12-30-2012 11:10 AM)Prowl Wrote:  

I dont keep track nor do I care.

I invite girls to come along on whatever im doing anyway. Might be cheap, might be expensive, but its whatever I feel like doing. I dont take them anywhere I wouldnt already be going anyway.

I will buy them a few drinks usually, but never on approach, only later, and usually because they are 18-25 and im older than that and have more cash. I dont really think about it too much.

This is dead on.

I take girls to where I would be going anyways.

I enjoy spending money and I enjoy sitting at the bar in a beautiful restaurant with a beautiful girl.

If you are making real money, the cost of even an "expensive date" is the least of your worries in life.

Do what you want in life and you will be happy.

[Giovonny]

(12-30-2012 01:23 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

maybe a quesadilla with extra guac.

I keep avocados in my car so I don't have to pay for "extra guac"!

Just kidding (not really)

Fuck, I need to get my finances up, I'm tired of being a low budget player!

[kenny_powers]

(12-30-2012 01:38 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(12-30-2012 01:23 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

maybe a quesadilla with extra guac.

I keep avocados in my car so I don't have to pay for "extra guac"!

Just kidding (not really)

Fuck, I need to get my finances up, I'm tired of being a low budget player!

GIO - that's funny man.

You guys remember Dave Chapelle in Half Baked? He is trying to take out that girl with $10 hahaha and he takes money out of the beggars cup

[blackglasses]

My cpn as a college student. Pretty much metro fare. I love it. And the girls off campus I just pay for my transportation to their house

[Giovonny]

(12-30-2012 01:00 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

I was happiest with the game when had it all optimized and invested only small amounts of time and money with each chick.

"Optimized" -- This is my favorite word in the whole thread!

I like to keep things as optimized as possible. The whole process from meeting them to banging them. To me, its all just a big filtration system. Filtering out the girls who will not bang me and uncovering the ones that will.



I am a researcher in the area of modern sexuality!

[poutsara]

I've never in my life calculated a cost-per-notch. There have been great ones that cost me nothing, and some others costs me thousands, with no real correlation to what I have in the bank. Looks like I need some optimization!

Incidentally, there is another thread going on this:
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-19060.html

[WestIndianArchie]

The key word here is OPPORTUNITY.

Not just dollars, cents, and time - but what have you foregone in the hunt for new chicks?

Slack on your day to day job duties?
Go to happy hour instead of an industry mixer?
Focused on a known hunting ground, instead of opening a new path?

Especially for you high rollers, could your time/effort been better spent making more money/amassing more power.

WIA.

[thegmanifesto]

(12-30-2012 05:47 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

The key word here is OPPORTUNITY.

Not just dollars, cents, and time - but what have you foregone in the hunt for new chicks?

Slack on your day to day job duties?
Go to happy hour instead of an industry mixer?
Focused on a known hunting ground, instead of opening a new path?

Especially for you high rollers, could your time/effort been better spent making more money/amassing more power.

WIA.

Yeah, that is the thing.

I don't really do day Game anymore because I need to make dough. When I had no dough, I did day Game at the beach all the time.

Now, there are days when I can make $20,000. Sometimes more. (I also have many days I make zero or lose money before questions roll in).

So for me to go spend 6 hours day Gaming, it can cost me 20k, potentially.

I would rather drop coin at night. Way cheaper in that regard.

Everyone has a different "opportunity cost" to Game.

(12-30-2012 01:38 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(12-30-2012 01:23 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

maybe a quesadilla with extra guac.

I keep avocados in my car so I don't have to pay for "extra guac"!

Just kidding (not really)

Fuck, I need to get my finances up, I'm tired of being a low budget player!

That is hilarious. The "guac" part.

But yeah, coming from someone that didn't have money growing up, I love having a fat pocket.

I was a player extraordinaire with no money as a young kid. Money was the only thing that held me back. Now that I have some pocket change, I feel nothing can stop me.

Gio, I think we kind of share similar backgrounds that I can tell from your posts.

Get your money up, you will be unstoppable.

(Although it will probably cut into your marathon Day Game sessions...)

[DVY]

Yea, Gio and WIA nailed it....Big three for me are Time, money, mental energy.

I was a serious student in dental school. Tuition alone was almost 90k/year. Didn't want to repeat a year, due to my "party life".

I had a ridiculous schedule (most days 9-7pm of heavy work) and not much dough to roll around with.

Taking girls out to expensive dinners cuts into vacations, clubbing, alcohol, good food that I would split with friends, BBQ-ing, etc.

Girls taking too much of my time = less sleep.... Solution-keep it quick and efficient.... High-end places take forever to serve you and they drag everythingggg out.

Taking girls to high-end places took more mental energy to get these girls in the sack, then not. Maybe, my game was weaker. Minimize the relative impact of money, and my game improved.

@G-manifesto- Hopefully, now that I am working, Ill have the funds for more of the "good life"

[germanico]

(12-30-2012 01:23 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Your cost per notch goes up as your tastes in life go up.

When I was a kid, my cost per notch was zero or really cheap. Some weed, a beach view, maybe a quesadilla with extra guac.

Now, I like eating at dope places with pretty girls. I like wine. I like cocktails. Cost per notch goes up.

Do what you want in life and you will be happy.

And I wonder why there are still some guys that dont take you seriously.

Listen all: this man is a divider. You will like him, or you will hate him. But he speaks the truth. It might be a truth you dont like or a truth that you dont agree with, but thats the truth nonetheless.

[TheMan]

(12-30-2012 01:23 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(12-30-2012 11:10 AM)Prowl Wrote:  

I dont keep track nor do I care.

I invite girls to come along on whatever im doing anyway. Might be cheap, might be expensive, but its whatever I feel like doing. I dont take them anywhere I wouldnt already be going anyway.

I will buy them a few drinks usually, but never on approach, only later, and usually because they are 18-25 and im older than that and have more cash. I dont really think about it too much.

This is dead on.

I take girls to where I would be going anyways.

...do what you want in life and you will be happy

didn't you just give me shit for pretty much saying this exact same thing in another thread?

[thegmanifesto]

(12-31-2012 03:10 AM)germanico Wrote:  

(12-30-2012 01:23 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Your cost per notch goes up as your tastes in life go up.

When I was a kid, my cost per notch was zero or really cheap. Some weed, a beach view, maybe a quesadilla with extra guac.

Now, I like eating at dope places with pretty girls. I like wine. I like cocktails. Cost per notch goes up.

Do what you want in life and you will be happy.

And I wonder why there are still some guys that dont take you seriously.

Listen all: this man is a divider. You will like him, or you will hate him. But he speaks the truth. It might be a truth you dont like or a truth that you dont agree with, but thats the truth nonetheless.

I don't know about all these red pills, blue pills and green pills that people talk about on here (unless we are talking about E-tabs?).

But I do know that The Truth is the hardest pill to swallow.

[lurker]

(12-30-2012 01:23 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

This is dead on.

I take girls to where I would be going anyways.

I enjoy spending money and I enjoy sitting at the bar in a beautiful restaurant with a beautiful girl.

If you are making real money, the cost of even an "expensive date" is the least of your worries in life.

Do what you want in life and you will be happy.

Then it's not really a cost per notch, is it? I mean, look at it this way: if the girl wasn't there, wouldn't you be doing the exact same thing, probably spending a similar amount of money? Or hell, maybe you'd be out with a chick already in the rotation, skewing the calcs further.

Perhaps the pickup economics lexicon really needs a new set of metrics:
cost above normal [CAN] per notch, defined as the amount you spend to get laid above what you would have spent without the girl anyway;

marginal CPN, defined as the amount it takes to swoop a new girl for the first time;

marginal CAN per notch, defined as the amount over your daily normal activity required to swoop a girl for the first time.