[tapanar]

Inspired by the "How tall are you?" thread, when I learned that 90% of the members here are at least 6' tall (I'm 5'10" at 23). Before you jump on me: I'm not here to argue that height is more important than game, but I do think that tall guys are downplaying the importance.

This may become science-y and hopefully I'm not going full-Heartiste here. Maybe you guys will share your thoughts.

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I say that the most significant change for a man is when he reaches a minimum level (the threshold) of attractiveness (achieved by possessing, acquiring and developing traits that women find attractive).

For a man, passing that threshold means there will be a number of women who show interest in him and he can afford to choose among them. A man below this level cannot afford to choose the women he will sleep with – they will choose him (due to their lack of better options).

Here is a conjecture: I argue that a man can pass that threshold with a combination of only 2 of the following traits:

• Game (more like conversational and social skills): can be developed
• Above-average height (in most countries 180cm+ or 6'+): mostly inherited
• Good-looking body (not skinny, no belly, some muscles): can be developed, to some extent
• Display of money/wealth (above average for the social group/city/country): can be inherited or developed
• Fame of some sort (social group level, local or national level): can be developed, to some extent
  

Can get 20 pairs out of those 5 traits, but only a few worth talking about. Thinking in terms of pairs like this helped me focus. Of course a man should aim to develop all of those traits, but we only have so much time.

I do think some of those pairs are less effective than others so I expect we disagree on this (and maybe discuss it):

Height + Game: Several times I've seen a chick go all over a tall guy who can't get the clue. A guy of average height will never get initial attention from a girl when taller guys are around – he will need to engage the girl first and work his ass off. Being tall and having developed game is the most consistent and easiest win. To those of you who are tall and have game, you need to acknowledge it.

Looks + Game: Another pair of traits that is good, to the extent that looks can be developed. I give looks less importance than height, because that's my experience. My observations are that, for girls, "good-looking" is a subset of "tall". If I only have time to focus on two things, though, it'll be game+money rather than game+looks.

Game + Money: This is the combination of traits that I'm aiming for. There is obviously a difference whether I've inherited the money, or whether I've earned it by working my ass off, and it's not a choice. So I'll have to be a really smart guy and work my ass off (both in terms of money and game). It's a lot of work, so to others aiming for this, I wish you luck.

Height + Money, Looks + Money: So a tall guy is all friendly and beta and sucks at meeting women, but inherited a lot of money. Goes to the VIP lounge and buys bottle service. Chances are he will naturally learn some game after he meets enough girls and sees how they behave (if he's stupid, some bitch will eventually get hold of him and his money). Or he can just pay for hookers.

Height + Looks: I think especially in school, a lot of girls go for those guys. I don't know if those good-looking guys do consistently well in life, but again, chances are that because of the attention they will develop some sort of game naturally.

Fame + Height, Fame + Looks: Fame usually also goes with money, so it becomes complicated. I possess none of these right now, so I don't know how it is. What I do know is that some famous people end up overdosing. But again, I think a man often develops some game if he has fame+looks. However, consistent success at being famous does not depend entirely on me. Contrast that to making money.

Conclusions:

0. Developing game is the only way to compensate for being average or below average looking guy. The other is a lot of money.
1. Working on game+money can be the surest path. For some maybe the only path, but YMMV
2. If you're tall/good-looking and/or inherited wealth/money, you will only have an edge if you're willing to work to maintain it (or be around people without game).
3. A guy taller than me can never be my wingman or friend. A guy taller than me, with less game than me will not want me as a wingman or anywhere near his girls

[lavidaloca]

Every one of those except height you can determine. Even height you can fake to a degree. Some posters like I believe Mixx wear shoe lifts. Others wear a variety of shoes that gain them extra height. I suggested cowboy boots can be good for this and can be discrete.

Way too much emphasis on height is a common internet phenomenon. It usually stems from people blaming their lack of success on something oh well I'm short kind of thing. I see height being a detriment if you are very short. But this isn't something to stress for someone who is say a true 5'7 and up. Just compensate in footwear and voila you can at minimum get yourself to 5'10 from that height. The average height of members in that thread is also going to be grossly overestimated due to a selection bias. Your going to get replies from tall people/

Your theory is good though. Personally I rely on looks / money more so than any of the other factors posted with success. I'll say this, I think it depends where you live that will depend how beneficial each combination provides you. In North America Game + Looks is far superior to Game + Money in terms of quantity of quality girls...assuming we aren't talking about outrageous amounts of money. By contrast abroad you may very well be better off with Looks + Money where girls are looking for a provider and don't have all their needs provided for them like they do in North America.

Since you can fake Height, you can make yourself good looking through exercise, you can make wealth through hard work, and you can learn game... I think the more factors you possess the more explosive you will be. I think thats where we see the difference between guys who do well and guys who kill it. Some guys are hitting on all cylinders where as others are just hitting on a couple.

One thing that should be mentioned is that a guy with extreme amounts in 2 of the factors can beat a guy with 4 or 5 factors but who possesses a smaller amount of each.

Overall I do like your theory. Although for 1. I'd change that to working on game + money + looks as all those can be made. Just look at the average US male, hes a slob. Has no chissel whatsoever to his jaw line. Get that and you should be well above average.

[storm]

I can't see the part where you are science-y.

[kinjutsu]

I think there is a threshold to the "height" idea. I'm 6 feet 3 inches and i find this to be very nice game wise.
At most you'd wanna be 6 feet 6 inches.
I can only imagine being 7 feet tall. Most girls fall around the 5'2 - 5'9 range.