[WestIndianArchie]

From the Psychology of Cults

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/prog...transcript
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Louise Samways: It can be a symbol like in a church, it might be the altar that you’re focusing your attention on, and particular rhythms of speech also tend to induce that state.

Music is one way of doing it as well, starting to put you in a situation where you lose track of time, you don’t have clocks on the walls


and often when people get involved in these groups and they are subjected to these techniques they often can’t even recall very clearly what actually happened. You’re trying to induce a state of feeling good basically, and these states do create all kinds of chemicals to sort of flow through your body and your mind and do make you feel good. So people can start to get addicted to the process as well. Then there’s a social, there becomes a whole lot of social factors that want you to feel you’re part of the group, that you don’t want to stand out, you don’t want to be seen as different or questioning.


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The clock thing is what I grabbed from this. No clocks in your sex location.

WIA

[OkStudies]

The premise of this thread is hilarious.

Lets see where this goes.

[Timoteo]

Weaker-minded bitches can essentially fall under the spell of a strong man. You know when bitches complain that one of their girlfriends "hasn't been herself since she started dating so-and-so?" That's that mind control for you. He totally possesses her in such a way that he can totally remake her in any way he chooses.

[Tuthmosis]

(12-10-2012 10:07 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

The clock thing is what I grabbed from this. No clocks in your sex location.

It's interesting you bring this up, I've been pondering this for some time. I started deliberately obstructing the hours part of my clock (so you only see the minutes) as an experiment a while back, and I've seen some interesting things happen. This is very advanced-level home game. Everything has a purpose and configuration.

[Kickb]

I started doing that a month or two ago. I noticed that girls always ask what time it is when they are in your bed(and they dont want to get up to find their phone). So when I heard this song performed by The Weeknd and he said something like "Don't worry about what time it is the clocks dont work anyway" it clicked with me and I made a change. Ive only got one clock in my apt, my microwave..Right now it says 3:51pm but its actually 9:35. My cars clock is an hour slow because i didn't acknowledge the time change back in november.

Didnt know time distortion was so powerful!

This might be for another thread, but i think having a unique and different home set up is great home game.

I have some cool stuff and my apt looks nice but my room is straight up different. Pm me for some photos if you want. I had a mirror hanging from my ceiling before Kelly Rowland wrote a song about it.

[Timoteo]

It's the "Vegas" thing. No clocks, no windows, no concept of time.

[WestIndianArchie]

(12-10-2012 10:15 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

Weaker-minded bitches can essentially fall under the spell of a strong man. You know when bitches complain that one of their girlfriends "hasn't been herself since she started dating so-and-so?" That's that mind control for you. He totally possesses her in such a way that he can totally remake her in any way he chooses.

Agreed. Happens to dudes too.
It's the essence of pimp game, this total mastery of mind (and her ass follows)

But I'm wondering about a different aspect. In the link, chick says that the guru used Wall-Walking, which is walking from wall to wall repetitively. This was captured by the Master (PSH and Joaquin Phoenix flick).

What I thought was ill, was that these techniques came out of research that the CIA was doing in trying to figure out how Hitler came to power. Per the article, these techniques got out of the CIA and entered the public. L Ron Hubbard and lots of folks like him, used them on their own followers.

My game takeaway is that just a few of these techniques can turn slight interest during your initial chat into unleashed porn star sex demon later on that night. (to an extent, smoke, strobe lights, liquor and music at a club is the commercialization of this, and most organized churches do pretty much the same thing)

If nothing at all, game is about letting a woman truly express her self by removing all of the obstacles that society, religion, her friends, her family, her mind puts in the way.

And the main who facilitates this natural awakening...well this is a family friendly forum...

WIA

[Tuthmosis]

I'll throw in another tip, since I like you guys so much.

Make really long playlists and still put them on loop (my current one is 5.5 hours). That way the music never ends and, if it does, she will have forgotten the first song. You also never have to tinker with the music (unless you want to), which breaks the "state."

[WestIndianArchie]

(12-10-2012 10:39 PM)kickboxer Wrote:  

Didnt know time distortion was so powerful!

This might be for another thread, but i think having a unique and different home set up is great home game.

EXACTLY.

Setting up your apartment/flat/room like a church for sex...oh I mean setting the mood.

Way back in the day one of the long tail techniques for hitting it was getting the reluctant chick back to your spot.

As you cozy in
- she has to take off her shoes
- throw something on the tv
- a little vino doesn't hurt (or weed, I don't know why cats bullshit)

But you light some incense and some candles. (and if you get her to do it with you...)

Chica - "sex isn't on the table"
You - *thinking to yourself, no, it's on the couch, floor, and bed, and if we get time, I've got this swing contraption in the closet"

So you get hot and heavy, per the manual, you pull back.
Rinse and repeat.
(the idea is that she wants affection now, but sex 15 minutes after you do)

But then you go for the kill.

The off chance that she puts up some real resistance, you're supposed to blow out the candles.

This is supposed to work on a subliminal level as you pull out of the dreamy state, she wants back in....and then realizes that a sloppy bj isn't really a bad idea after all.

WIA

[WestIndianArchie]

(12-10-2012 11:05 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

I'll throw in another tip, since I like you guys so much.

Make really long playlists and still put them on loop (my current one is 5.5 hours). That way the music never ends and, if it does, she will have forgotten the first song. You also never have to tinker with the music (unless you want to), which breaks the "state."

Haha, State, that's sarging to the oldies right there.

[Tuthmosis]

(12-10-2012 11:08 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Haha, State, that's sarging to the oldies right there.

Thought you'd appreciate the archaic lingo. I still smile (or gag) when I hear/see old early 2000s terms like that (hence the quotation marks). I'm surprised that I know as many of them as I do.

It's being a computer programmer nowadays who knows Pascal.

[WestIndianArchie]

(12-10-2012 11:15 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 11:08 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Haha, State, that's sarging to the oldies right there.

Thought you'd appreciate the archaic lingo. I still smile (or gag) when I hear/see old early 2000s terms like that (hence the quotation marks). I'm surprised that I know as many of them as I do.

It's being a computer programmer nowadays who knows Pascal.

I wish there was a game historian that could trace the evolution of ideas. The cube and strawberry fields are so dated that they're fresh.

*taps chick on shoulder*
"this'll only take a sec, my friend over there and I are having an argument, who lies more girls or guys..."

WIA

[Sourcecode]

At first I thought this was troll game.
But on further review ( Women and Feminist will find this thread and say all of us are trying to brainwash women)

The only thing I can bring to the table that I know of..is eye contact.
People say the eyes tell a lot..and apparently my eyes make girls go crazy and they aren't special (brown)

They say some animals hypnotize their prey when they look into its eyes.
Maybe subconsciously my eyes are hypnotic and my gaze causes people to trust me quickly

[Giovonny]

I don't even know where to start..??..??..

I have met some of Jim Jones family members, they still live here. My family was around when he was just a local politician.

You wanna talk about influencing people and winning over people with the sheer force of your personality, charisma, and presentation?

There are people who study that stuff. The government studied it.

How far down the rabbit hole do you wanna go?

[Kickb]

Here's and idea

Someone should create a Jim Jones Technique ebook and sell that shit.

I'm sure that with propper marketing one would would have no problem selling that to the masses.

[Kitsune]

You lock a person in the back of your car until they have fallen asleep and woken up. You then take them to a cell and give them limited access to food, but praise them for the characteristics you want them to have - rewarding them with more food, even if they haven't actually displayed the characteristic. On the other hand, punish them for stuff they haven't done yet but you don't want them to do.

They'll quite quickly get stockholm syndrome and start altering their personality at a neurological level to match what will reward them.

[player]

(12-11-2012 03:52 AM)kickboxer Wrote:  

Here's and idea

Someone should create a Jim Jones Technique ebook and sell that shit.

I'm sure that with propper marketing one would would have no problem selling that to the masses.

There's already one out there - Forbidden Keys to Persuasion by Blair Warren. He studied various cult leaders to find out how they persuaded their followers, even against their best interests (e.g. cult suicides like Jonestown).

In the book he lists some tendencies and hidden addictions that people generally have:

Tendency #1: People resist unwelcome attempts to persuade them.
Tendency #2: People can't resist what they can't detect.
Tendency #3: People sometimes believe what they are told, but never doubt what they conclude.

Hidden Addiction #1: People need to feel needed.
Hidden Addiction #2: When aware of an impasse, people will do anything to gain a sense of hope.
Hidden Addiction #3: People need a scapegoat.
Hidden Addiction #4: People need to be noticed and feel understood.
Hidden Addiction #5: People need to know things others don't know/things they aren't supposed to know.
Hidden Addiction #6: People need to be right.
Hidden Addiction #7: People need to feel a sense of power.

Cult leaders often use isolation, both physical and psychological (fostering and maintaining secrets, predicting the future, cultivating shared experiences).

They also use gaslighting - which happens when others secretly try to make you doubt your ability to discern reality so that you'll come to trust their judgments more than your own.

Blair Warren summarised persuasion in one sentance as "People will do anything for those who encouarge their dreams, justify their failures, allay their fears, confirm their suspicions and help them throw rocks at their enemies."

[Anon-A-Moose]

(12-11-2012 03:18 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

How far down the rabbit hole do you wanna go?

How far does it go? And please, don't stand in my way, let me jump in.

Using charismatic authority is fundamental in game anyway. Hell it's basically the silver bullet for our social system, sales, sex, popularity, etc. Nothing but a tool, a talent, practiced by politicians relentlessly. If we were talking about using it for making money, instead of pussy, this would be a non-discussion.

And if you've got some resources, feel free to share.

[damngringo]

I'd second the request to Giovonny. Also, thanks to player for an interesting reference - I will definitely check it out.

That's what I've been thinking for a long while - everyone has some hole deep inside (mostly childhood memories / traumas, though for weaker personalities the dents might be newer), and if you uncover it and offer remedy, the addiction might never cease.

The same holds true for seduction - girls want alpha, give 'em alpha & be a dick (it's just cool).

[Giovonny]

(12-11-2012 12:07 PM)Anon-A-Moose Wrote:  

How far does it go?

It probably goes alot further then any of us would like to imagine. For starters, consider what Kitsune wrote here...

(12-11-2012 06:34 AM)Kitsune Wrote:  

You lock a person in the back of your car until they have fallen asleep and woken up. You then take them to a cell and give them limited access to food, but praise them for the characteristics you want them to have - rewarding them with more food, even if they haven't actually displayed the characteristic. On the other hand, punish them for stuff they haven't done yet but you don't want them to do.

They'll quite quickly get stockholm syndrome and start altering their personality at a neurological level to match what will reward them.

The human brain will rewire itself to fit the reality that it is living in. Altering someones mood or feelings is literally altering their brain chemistry. If you can consistently alter their brain chemistry, you can literally rewire their brain.

This is used in advertising, politics, news, schools, parenting, jobs, etc., etc.

They often address these hidden fears that people have..

(12-11-2012 09:43 AM)player Wrote:  

Hidden Addiction #1: People need to feel needed.
Hidden Addiction #2: When aware of an impasse, people will do anything to gain a sense of hope.
Hidden Addiction #3: People need a scapegoat.
Hidden Addiction #4: People need to be noticed and feel understood.
Hidden Addiction #5: People need to know things others don't know/things they aren't supposed to know.
Hidden Addiction #6: People need to be right.
Hidden Addiction #7: People need to feel a sense of power.

This is how we are influened, persuaded, manipulated, and controlled.

Like the OP's article says, this stuff is studied and used at the highest levels of government.

(12-11-2012 12:07 PM)Anon-A-Moose Wrote:  

And if you've got some resources, feel free to share.

This would be a good place to start..

(12-11-2012 09:43 AM)player Wrote:  

Forbidden Keys to Persuasion by Blair Warren.

These are also interesting...

The Marketing of Evil

Trust me, I'm lying!

(12-11-2012 09:43 AM)player Wrote:  

"People will do anything for those who encourage their dreams, justify their failures, allay their fears, confirm their suspicions and help them throw rocks at their enemies."

The essence of human psychology!

[damngringo]

Do you guys have any further sources on these aspects? There's a world to learn from here

[Hades]

(12-11-2012 01:54 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

At first I thought this was troll game.
But on further review ( Women and Feminist will find this thread and say all of us are trying to brainwash women)

The only thing I can bring to the table that I know of..is eye contact.
People say the eyes tell a lot..and apparently my eyes make girls go crazy and they aren't special (brown)

They say some animals hypnotize their prey when they look into its eyes.
Maybe subconsciously my eyes are hypnotic and my gaze causes people to trust me quickly

Yeah this is the case with me too when I make enough eye contact. To be honest I don't know how much is not enough or too much but when I use what I think is too much (I'm nearly uncomfortable with it) they just melt.

I guess it doesn't help that I have been living in the "Eternity Gaze" zone of Europe. German chicks will basically try to rape you with their eyes, they'll hold a dead stare for like thirty or forty seconds with almost no provocation.

[Kickb]

Looks like Roosh has a new keyword search that will bring traffic here.
Search Jim Jones Techniques on Google

[Giovonny]

(12-12-2012 12:20 PM)Hades Wrote:  

eye contact.

I have been working on my eye contact.

I used to look at girls in the eye too much and I would look at them with a look that was too serious. Now, I look away often to fake disinterest.

During conversation, we have to take breaks in eye contact. Looking a girl in the eyes too much seems needy. It's better to break eye contact and look away sometimes, it makes you seem more aloof. Don't fixate on her, don't make her the center of your universe.

Lately, I haven't been looking in their eyes enough. I need to get back to a good seductive gaze, something like this...

(12-11-2012 01:54 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

They say some animals hypnotize their prey when they look into its eyes.

Like a lion staring into the eyes of a wilderbeast before he takes it down!!!

[WestIndianArchie]

(12-11-2012 09:43 AM)player Wrote:  

There's already one out there - Forbidden Keys to Persuasion by Blair Warren. He studied various cult leaders to find out how they persuaded their followers, even against their best interests (e.g. cult suicides like Jonestown).

I just finished reading this book today.

It's fairly awesome.

WIA