Quote: (11-13-2012 07:46 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:
Quote: (11-13-2012 06:47 PM)Giovonny Wrote:
If the races mix, we will all look like Brazilians!
Quote: (11-13-2012 06:35 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:
I think if somebody is gonna get married they better stick to their own race for obvious reasons.
What are the obvious reasons???
Well for starter, say you're Jamaican and you love Jamaican food, and you marry a British woman, she cannot cook the food you like. Besides, you're gonna have kids of mixed-race, and if you're okay with that then that's good, but a lot of people are not.
Let's start off with the obvious: "Jamaican" is not a race, and neither is "British". Jamaicans can be British, and vice versa.
Now, the other issues:
1. My wife not knowing how to cook "Jamaican food" doesn't sound like an obvious reason to me. I may not care all that much for jamaican food (not enough to preclude my marrying someone who can't make it) or, assuming I do care, I could simply teach her how to do it (or do it myself).
2. As stated before, "British" and "Jamaican" are nationalities, not races. I'm Jamaican and happen to be black (again, not all Jamaicans are black). I could marry a British person (a black one) and still have predominantly black children. Even assuming I do not marry a white-british person as a Jamaican, the fact that I could have mixed-race children is not an obvious reason to avoid the union. Not everyone disapproves of mixed children (in fact, the numbers suggest
quite high approval in the UK, among other places) and if you're among the many who don't, there's no obvious reason not to have them assuming the presence of a strong relationship/attraction between the partners in question.
Quote: (11-13-2012 02:04 PM)Way Cool Jr Wrote:
It scares sometimes how some white and beautiful white women decide to have kids with black or middle eastern people.
Tell me, does it bother you less when
white men choose to have kids with non-whites and those kids, in turn, do not resemble them as directly as a more racially homogeneous child might have?
Or does the fact that you focus specifically on white women indicate your own insecurity with regards to competition from other men for "your" women?
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It's not a problem on a social or moral level, if they love each other I'm all for it, the problem it's on a genetic level since some traits like bright eyes, fair skin and hair are recessing genetic characters.
As I stated above, that's not an issue (those traits aren't going anywhere, the kids are all carriers). The phenotypical traits you're going on about are also a mere sliver of the human genetic code-there is a much larger abundance of other traits/tendencies her children would have inherited from her (50% of their genes come from her). Focusing
solely on appearance when determining the genetic contribution an individual made to a child is not a good way to make a conclusion. Her contribution is going to be 50%, regardless of which phenotypical traits take precedence.
Quote: (11-13-2012 07:13 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:
I've read an article a few years back about the disappearance of red heads and even blonds in the future but can't find that magazine anywhere anymore.
I remember the article saying something like that the whole population would look the same in the end. Black hair, light brown skin.
There would be no ethnic diversity anymore which would be good for all the racial tensions in the world but bad for future players.
P-Dog has already touched on this, but this assumption is entirely ignorant of basic genetics and shows no understanding of recessive traits and how they functions.
To keep it simple (we all should have learned this in high school biology class): some traits are recessive, some are dominant. Dominant traits show even when recessive traits are present. When individuals who both possess recessive traits mate, it is possible to create individuals who only possess (and therefore only express) recessive traits. This dynamic is explained in more detail
here.
Example: Blue eyes are recessive. Plenty of brown eyed people, however, carry the blue eyed trait, which they may have inherited from a blue eyed ancestor. If they mate with another individual with said trait, they can create a child with blue eyes.
This reality applies to all humans, not just white people as so many mistakenly believe-the recessive and dominant gene interaction continues regardless of racial origin.
Example: Take a typical African American (or Afro-Caribbean). Your average African American is, by blood, about 20% European. This means that it is not entirely uncommon for many African Americans to have white ancestors and for said ancestors to have carried the recessive blue-eye (or blonde hair) gene. This means that it is quite possible for this particular African American to carry the recessive genes for blonde hair and/or blue eyes.
Let's say this individual chooses to have children with a white individual who openly expresses these recessive traits. Since both individuals are carrying the traits, the offspring could inherit the recessive genes and come out looking like this:
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The recessive genes interact and are sometimes expressed, resulting in individuals with lighter phenotypical appearance (some being lighter than others).
Of course, this has the potential to get very interesting in an environment where there are few restrictions on interracial dating. If the products of these unions (like those shown above) mate with any minority carrying recessive traits (this would by definition include many blacks in the Americas), they can produce more individuals who look like them (with darker features, lighter features, or some interesting mix of both). If they begin mating with individuals who resemble their white parents (with expressed lighter recessive traits), then they can produce kids who look virtually caucasian. If
those offspring in turn choose to mate with individuals who are also mixed and are carrying recessive traits, you can get
just about anything. The possibilities are pretty much endless as far as appearance goes, and not entirely possible to predict as random mixing continues en masse and the genetic picture becomes more and more diverse/complex.
Regardless, the complexity inherent in any interaction between recessive and dominant traits precludes the possibility that everyone will simply turn out to "look the same". There are too many variables in play for this to happen absent forced, concentrated mating policies (i.e. testing everyone to identify who has recessive traits and then forcing those people to avoiding mating with one another at all costs-not realistic, not happening).
Quote: (11-13-2012 01:16 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:
No matter how strong the genes are, at some point in the future they will die out.
This isn't how it works. Recessive traits generally persist in nature unless they are acted upon by some extreme force. For the traits unique to whites to go extinct, we would require one or more of the following:
A. We would need to identify all who possess recessive genes that code for the uniquely white phenotypes in question (lighter skin, eyes, and hair, etc).
B. We would need to force all of the hundreds of millions of people with these genes to avoid mating with one another interracially (impossible).
C. We would require some sort of epidemic/catastrophe that manages to eliminate all of those who possess recessive traits (not happening).
Absent even any of these entirely implausible realities, human biodiversity will persist. Humans will still generally mate within their racial groups and any mixing will simply result in the further spread of recessive genes to new populations (ex: the African diaspora in the new world, which now has many carriers of recessive traits), not in the elimination of those genes all together.
