[thegmanifesto]

Every time I go to Latin America (Argentina, DR, Colombia as of late), I eat like a king, workout everyday, and drink every night.

Basically my same program in the usa.

The thing I have noticed is I feel way better, stronger and in better shape.

The only thing I can attribute to this is the food quality in Latin America. No factory farming perhaps? Better carne y verduras?

Do any of you guys notice this also?

I am really becoming more disillusioned with america by the day.

[intense]

Yeah big difference in food quality. There's not much comparison between wal-mart chicken breast and the natural chicken in s.a. The standalone taste of the meat/fish is magnitudes better even without marinades or added flavouring. I agree that when I was eating fresh fish from the carribean coast in colombia I also felt noticeably better. Less fatigued, more energy, overall increased brightness. The fruits as well were much better. Ironically enough, organic food in s.a. is cheaper than the factory food. Opposite of here.

[gringoed]

I was going to recommend trying grass-fed, free-roaming meat in the US for a while.

However, much better advice is to just spend more time in SA!

By the way, being here in Argentina I'm eating too few veggies (veggies are not very common) and too many empendadas. Plus drinking relatively heavy. If I were in the US I would be a pig, yet lately my body fat % is near the lowest it's ever been!

[thegmanifesto]

"Less fatigued, more energy, overall increased brightness."

Yep.

"If I were in the US I would be a pig, yet lately my body fat % is near the lowest it's ever been! "

Double yep.

Its crazy how you can booze non-stop, eat heavy and still be in amazing shape.

SA is really making a case for itself.

Side note:

In the airports on the way to Colombia, I noticed America has never been fatter.

And we are still concerned with smoking in our country. Blows the mind.

[Kona]

How much fish are you eating there versus how much you eat in the mainland? How about lobsters or shrimp?

No matter how good somebody tells you their stuff is, if Fedex can't get to wherever you are in 24 hours from someplace warm, fish in the US has a color preservative sprayed on it. The FDA doesn't require disclosure of this. There is also something they put in the water that lobsters live in to keep them red. They use the same at a lot of shrimp farms.

Almost everywhere in the mainland I've eaten any form of Ahi, aka yellowfin tuna, I can tell had it's color tweaked. A lot of times you can kind of smell the stuff.

Also, most fish in the US nowadays is farmed in one way or another. I bet there aren't many of those in S.A. If their are, the chemicals they use on the mainland are probably out of S.A. farming's price range. I bet the only farmed stuff you'd eat down there is shipped in.

In Las Vegas recently I went to Joe's Stone Crabs and had John Dory, which is my favorite fish to eat. You don't get it in Hawaii, I think it's mostly caught in Europe. It didn't seem like it had anything funny about it, and was fantastic. But it was expensive as all hell, probably because of the shipping. I had sashimi a few different places and could see and smell the dye right away.

Aloha!

[speakeasy]

I have my doubts that food is any better quality in S.A. than in the U.S. Maybe just the steak in Argentina. They use pesticides in many 3rd countries(including Latin America) that are banned here in the west. I had some good fish in Chile which they are known for. I suppose if you stick to the foods that each country is best at, then you can walk away with that impression. Turkey would probably taste like crap in Argentina since they don't really eat it. But the steak is great.

[OGNorCal707]

Yo G, you eating organic here in the states? Up here in NorCal we got some really good quality local organic grocery stores, restaurants, and farmer's markets where you get the chronic quality food. In my travels in Central/S. America I find the food is good and fresh outside of the big towns/cities, but not so great in the cities. A lot of people think organic is bullshit, but I feel I can taste/feel the quality difference. If you got the money, why not? For those heading to Rio anytime soon, I recommend Delirio Tropical in Ipanema, they got an organic farm that provides a lot of their produce, and I guess Roosh is down with this spot, I read the first couple pages of DBIP on Amazon, and his story starts off in that place.

[The_CEO]

Noticed the same thing. In fact i mentioned something similar to someone, regarding physically declining the last time i went back, and they pointed that the vegetables are organic here (and still have a high vitamin content).

[Roosh]

I'm with speakeasy. I think there is an assumption that food in South America is more organic, but I haven't seen any evidence that that's true. Even in Argentina their cows are increasingly being grown in American style feed lots (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...=topnews).

In Brazil this is already reality.

[Brian]

i know a brazilian girl who swears she can taste the difference and the food in brasil is much better

[thegmanifesto]

OGNorCal707,

Yeah, I pretty much only grind produce from farmers markets now. Still, I feel the difference in SA overall.

Same thing in Australia. Tomatoes taste like Tomatoes.

Brian,

" i know a brazilian girl who swears she can taste the difference and the food in brasil is much better "

Yeah, I remember this rich Mexi girl I dated a long time ago said the food in america tastes like crap to her.

[speakeasy]

(03-05-2010 11:38 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Yeah, I remember this rich Mexi girl I dated a long time ago said the food in america tastes like crap to her.

Funny, half the produce I buy at the supermarket says either "imported from Mexico" or "imported from Chile". The winter produce anyway. So who's stuff is she criticizing anyway? Does she look at the label to see where it was grown?

[The_CEO]

(03-05-2010 10:26 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

I think there is an assumption that food in South America is more organic, but I haven't seen any evidence that that's true.

This isn't airtight scientific evidence, but with respect to fruits and vegetables in Argentina, it rots in a normal time frame, and are also in normal sizes.

[UgSlayer]

This thread is hilarious

[InternationPlayboy]

I actually notice the difference. It might also be because I ate a little more healthy in General when I was in Brazil and ran. One thing I must say about the meat though... For the most part, an average steak in Brazil tastes better than an average steak in the US. But if you buy an expensive steak at a nice restaraunt in the US, I don't think you are going to find much better meat than that.

[Quasi]

Steaks are good in Brazil.. dunno about the fruit etc. to be honest, I have had any that my local very well equiped place couldnt equal.. and diery stuff is so much more good in Denmark, compared to the conserved french crap they sell here with tons of sugar and flavours...

But Im also getting shredded as fuck, due to eating less, dancing more (wish I could say fucking more) .. but thanks for the advice, will eat here http://www.delirio.com.br/lojas_ipanema.html# after gymn today

[thegmanifesto]

"half the produce I buy at the supermarket says either "imported from Mexico" or "imported from Chile"."

I guess it was the other half.

[speakeasy]

(03-06-2010 05:31 AM)Brandon E Wrote:  

I actually notice the difference. It might also be because I ate a little more healthy in General when I was in Brazil and ran. One thing I must say about the meat though... For the most part, an average steak in Brazil tastes better than an average steak in the US. But if you buy an expensive steak at a nice restaraunt in the US, I don't think you are going to find much better meat than that.

I was eating at the Garota de Ipanema restaurant pretty frequently since my hostel was right across the street. The sliced picanha served on the hot plate for you to grill to your preference was some really good eatin'.

[Quasi]

I liked the suggested one.. very cheap and very healthy stuff... plus in a really nice area..is a sushi restaurant across the street called Nik´s that Roosh suggested, gonna try that soon and yeah Picanha is really nice too, have just eaten it like two times a day for a week

[OGNorCal707]

(03-06-2010 05:45 PM)Quasi Wrote:  

I liked the suggested one.. very cheap and very healthy stuff... plus in a really nice area..is a sushi restaurant across the street called Nik´s that Roosh suggested, gonna try that soon and yeah Picanha is really nice too, have just eaten it like two times a day for a week

Wasn't too impressed with "Nik" sushi, this couple from New Zealand I was chilling with hyped it as the best they ever had in their lives, I would give it a C+/B- compared to the best sushi spots I hit in San Francisco, but I will say if you go on a week day they have an all you can eat deal for R$50, that is a damn good deal, I easily ate what would have costed $60 USD worth of food in the States. Yo Speakeasy, were you at Mango Tree, and if so when, and what did you think? I was staying there at the very end of January, thought it was clean/well run, but not the best social scene/cool people when I was there.

[speakeasy]

(03-06-2010 09:03 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

Yo Speakeasy, were you at Mango Tree, and if so when, and what did you think? I was staying there at the very end of January, thought it was clean/well run, but not the best social scene/cool people when I was there.

I stayed at Mango Tree for about a week and a half. I thought it was a cool spot. The room felt a bit cramped, but not too bad. I had hung out with a dude who used to post here by the handle El Guapo. And I'd met some other cool people there to kick it with. So the social scene was okay for me. But you know how it is with hostels. It's always hit or miss. In my 2 months across S.A. I met some awesome people that I still stay in touch with, and then I stayed in places where it was absolutely dead and I had an entire room to myself and met no one. Price-wise, Mango is hard to beat. $20 a night to stay one block from posto 9. In the future though, I want to get away from hosteling, or only do it as a last resort. I'm going on 34 and just don't feel that keen on being around binge drinking 21 year old British kids. I'll look into short term apartments next time. Plus that whole gringo ghetto thing discourages you from digging into the local scene.

[kindredspirit]

How much do you walk in the US versus in South America? That could explain the difference.

Let's face it.

A large swath of America is a dual existence of road-rage inducing, grid-locked highways and suburban soccer mom-infested hell-holes that has replicated itself into soul-sucking carbon copy replicas of itself. Everyone can see & feel all of this is deeply wrong but are induced by societal opiates into ignoring and sometimes, even defending. Americans are grinning and bearing it so hard that the grins are turning into school shootings, profound unhappiness, and a futile chase for riches that they hope can lead to the end of the endless maze.

[lilactag]

In general, I think in C.A. and S.A. food is more natural if you eat what grows naturally in each country, but the moment it is not indigenous, then I think food quality is not that great because most farmers do use pesticides and genetically modified seeds, it is cheaper because production is better this way and the monopoly of genetically modified seeds give goverments tons of seeds to even gift the farmers.

That way production is better because they are inmune to lot of plagues, in many cases.

Having said that, there is a big difference buying a green pepper in central america, where they have their naturally odd, shrinked shapes, than buying them at a non-organic food store in Europe, where they are all perfectly equal and tasteless.

Depending on what food product and country, you will get better tasting, more natural food or not.

I think is a mistake of you to generalize "S.A." or "L.A." as a whole because they are such differing countries with differing food cultures (very rich cultures) and development stages.

- Argentinian, Uruguayan and Paraguayan meat is the best in the World, it has been that way since centuries,now.

- tropical Fruits? then C.A., Brasil and the Caribbean have the best and most varied.

- vegetables? colder places all over C.A. and S.A. have their own vegetables, like cold parts of Mexico, Guatemala or andean countries or Chile and Argentina.

The best tis to eat what is naturally grown in each country, you must adapt to the food culture of each place with regard to this but keeping inmnd what you like and consider healthy, because the fatty meals culture of a lot of typical food can't be healthy.[/align]

[thegmanifesto]

"How much do you walk in the US versus in South America? That could explain the difference."

About the same.

I break down my dislike for cars here: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-1724.html

[lilactag]

G,
I love cars and F1 and chicks hehe
But nothing is as healthy and hih quality of life as living in a place where you don't need a car except for weekend get away trips.

I have gone long periods of time of not even taking public transport intra-city, just walking, getting up earlier or going earlier.

In cities-countries where this is possible, women and men in general have nice bodies.
Think The Netherlands or Denmark, where people bike to do everything.

In L.A. people are getting the same vices as in the pop U.S. culture and walking less and less by the day, couple that with fatty foods and obesity will soon be as problematic as in the U.S.