[pozdnyshev]

http://redhotrussia.com/meet-russian-gir...e-for-sex/

[Roosh]

Great find.

Offering girls cash seems to really increase your response rate.

Someone should try this on OK Cupid. I bet you'd get takers.

[Basil Ransom]

Haha I love Olya - she's hot and talks like Greek Kamaki. "Because man is the strong gender, instinct of hunter is in his blood and so on and so on. In short, this is the historical aspect. To pursue the girl is achievement, some sort of adrenaline.."

Is it possible to play the sugar daddy angle and get a free 'trial period?' I figure you can never hoodwink a pro, and offering to pay a woman for sex instantly makes her think you're not worth fucking for free.

[Wayout]

I knew a guy back in the day who was doing this on yahoo chat, chating up girls in the area and offering them money. It worked for him! As for Russia, there is a section on mamba.ru for girls looking for financial support,so it's pretty normal in Russia anyway.

[Wool Suit]

(10-27-2012 03:04 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

Haha I love Olya - she's hot and talks like Greek Kamaki. "Because man is the strong gender, instinct of hunter is in his blood and so on and so on. In short, this is the historical aspect. To pursue the girl is achievement, some sort of adrenaline.."

Olya Rezakova caught my eye, too. Pretty much everything I like about Russian girls in one statement. They know and respect gender roles, but are not above logic, which is why Alik's proposal worked.

I think his sugar daddy game could work on OkCupid!, but he runs the risk of getting a crazy who would report him for solicitation. Plus, what possible reason would he want to?

[chochemonger1]

(10-27-2012 06:53 PM)Wool Suit Wrote:  

(10-27-2012 03:04 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

Haha I love Olya - she's hot and talks like Greek Kamaki. "Because man is the strong gender, instinct of hunter is in his blood and so on and so on. In short, this is the historical aspect. To pursue the girl is achievement, some sort of adrenaline.."

Olya Rezakova caught my eye, too. Pretty much everything I like about Russian girls in one statement. They know and respect gender roles, but are not above logic, which is why Alik's proposal worked.

I think his sugar daddy game could work on OkCupid!, but he runs the risk of getting a crazy who would report him for solicitation. Plus, what possible reason would he want to?

The only positive change, about a country like Brazil, is that there are less gold diggers. Kamaki would not like it here as his presents would not do as much damage.

[BurnFirst]

(10-27-2012 06:53 PM)Wool Suit Wrote:  

Plus, what possible reason would he want to?

Well, if it works to get them to meet you could then proceed with:

1) treat as a standard date, escalate aggressively and bang, next.

2) tell them something like 'oh you aren't as attractive to me in person...' then let them start qualifying themselves to YOU. Let them think it's their idea to try to entice you with a freebie. Smash, next.

3) same as 2) except tell them 'let's so somewhere private where I can take a look at your body'. Make them feel like they are going to lose out if they don't convince you. Etc..

[xsplat]

The only thing I'd have against paying (if I had money I'd never miss) would be it possibly fucking up some relationship dynamic. I'd worry that the cash would get in the way of intimacy, and a type of hand that I enjoy.

I like to get girls to act as doting love slaves who are obsessively and passionately in love. Playing this game might alter the rules for doing that. Maybe it could be done, but I'm not familiar with that way.

Although these last few years I've started giving a small monthly stipend - about as much as a local salary for a secretary - just $200 or so, on top of paying for all the girls clothing and food and so forth. But I have them work for me, so it would almost be stealing if I didn't. I had the recent one quit her full time job to do odd errands and caretaking for me every day. And the girl before this one didn't want to leave her home town to visit me because she had a job, so I was explicit with an original offer to have her quit her job and live with me and I'd replace the salary at her job. She was earning $120 a month or so. She wound up quite attached. And affectionate.

Anyway, having that kind of extra money as an option seems prudent. I already know I can do OK without it, but I don't live my life in order to be challenged. It's not ONLY about the challenge of the thing, for me. It's also about the goal itself.

Is game a means, or an ends? Do you get good at game in order to be good at game, or do you get good at game in order to get the the girls to do what you want to do and to feel what you want them to feel?

If I could flip a switch that would make me taller, in order to get the actions and reactions from girls I want, I'd do it. Fuck the challenge. I want the goal. If I had a switch that would make me more handsome, some of the time at least I'd go ahead and switch it. No reason not to. I already understand challenge, and have done better than average against above average challenges. I don't need to make a permanent lifestyle out of it.

Same with cash. If it's a useful tool, it would be handy to have laying around.

For the goal.

But again - only if it didn't get in the way of my goal. Which is devoted attentive passionate and even obsessive love and sex.

[Sebastian]

$120 a month??? what country is that?

(10-27-2012 09:03 PM)xsplat Wrote:  

The only thing I'd have against paying (if I had money I'd never miss) would be it possibly fucking up some relationship dynamic. I'd worry that the cash would get in the way of intimacy, and a type of hand that I enjoy.

I like to get girls to act as doting love slaves who are obsessively and passionately in love. Playing this game might alter the rules for doing that. Maybe it could be done, but I'm not familiar with that way.

Although these last few years I've started giving a small monthly stipend - about as much as a local salary for a secretary - just $200 or so, on top of paying for all the girls clothing and food and so forth. But I have them work for me, so it would almost be stealing if I didn't. I had the recent one quit her full time job to do odd errands and caretaking for me every day. And the girl before this one didn't want to leave her home town to visit me because she had a job, so I was explicit with an original offer to have her quit her job and live with me and I'd replace the salary at her job. She was earning $120 a month or so. She wound up quite attached. And affectionate.

Anyway, having that kind of extra money as an option seems prudent. I already know I can do OK without it, but I don't live my life in order to be challenged. It's not ONLY about the challenge of the thing, for me. It's also about the goal itself.

Is game a means, or an ends? Do you get good at game in order to be good at game, or do you get good at game in order to get the the girls to do what you want to do and to feel what you want them to feel?

If I could flip a switch that would make me taller, in order to get the actions and reactions from girls I want, I'd do it. Fuck the challenge. I want the goal. If I had a switch that would make me more handsome, some of the time at least I'd go ahead and switch it. No reason not to. I already understand challenge, and have done better than average against above average challenges. I don't need to make a permanent lifestyle out of it.

Same with cash. If it's a useful tool, it would be handy to have laying around.

For the goal.

But again - only if it didn't get in the way of my goal. Which is devoted attentive passionate and even obsessive love and sex.

[Soma]

(10-28-2012 06:41 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  

$120 a month??? what country is that?

In Jakarta, Indonesia you can hire a live-in full-time female servant that will cook, clean, drive you around, etc. for $75/month. Don't know how much extra they'd charge for sexual services, though.

[xsplat]

Ya, I'm in Indonesia. A factory worker or secretary can make as little as $100/month. I have a few staff that I pay just $160 a month to. Even when their work isn't profitable, I still keep them on the payroll to do the odd profitable job for me. It's a trivial expense.

In fact if you are setting yourself up in a foreign country and have the budget, I'd recommend opening and staffing an office, just for the status boost it gives you. You can also get a lot of resumes with head-shots that way.

Having command over other humans is status. Girls like to date the the boss at something. It gives them status among their peers too, and over the other staff. Chicks love having status over other chicks.

[Hades]

(10-27-2012 06:53 PM)Wool Suit Wrote:  

(10-27-2012 03:04 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

Haha I love Olya - she's hot and talks like Greek Kamaki. "Because man is the strong gender, instinct of hunter is in his blood and so on and so on. In short, this is the historical aspect. To pursue the girl is achievement, some sort of adrenaline.."

Olya Rezakova caught my eye, too. Pretty much everything I like about Russian girls in one statement. They know and respect gender roles, but are not above logic, which is why Alik's proposal worked.

I think his sugar daddy game could work on OkCupid!, but he runs the risk of getting a crazy who would report him for solicitation. Plus, what possible reason would he want to?

Yeah Olya is pretty awesome. Most girls take a lot of teasing to get their ideas of what a man should be but she wrote back right away that they should be some kind of badass hunter with the blood instinct and stuff. I like that she's aware of and respects gender roles without being bitter about it.

Also I remember the first time I read a post by Greek kamaki. At first I thought he was some kind of perpetually drunk forum lurker but then I realized his posts were serious. After a week or two of reading the stuff he wrote I came to the conclusion that he was operating on some kind of otherworldly plane of game that I would not be able to fathom but should respect.

[Walderschmidt]

(10-28-2012 02:20 PM)xsplat Wrote:  

Ya, I'm in Indonesia. A factory worker or secretary can make as little as $100/month. I have a few staff that I pay just $160 a month to. Even when their work isn't profitable, I still keep them on the payroll to do the odd profitable job for me. It's a trivial expense.

In fact if you are setting yourself up in a foreign country and have the budget, I'd recommend opening and staffing an office, just for the status boost it gives you. You can also get a lot of resumes with head-shots that way.

Having command over other humans is status. Girls like to date the the boss at something. It gives them status among their peers too, and over the other staff. Chicks love having status over other chicks.

How did you get to be set up in Indonesia? Work?

I've never been anywhere in Asia yet and am curious. It seems that everyone always talks about China, Japan, Thailand, and the Phillipines, but I have not heard much at all about Indonesia.

Wald

[xsplat]

(10-28-2012 02:34 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

(10-28-2012 02:20 PM)xsplat Wrote:  

Ya, I'm in Indonesia. A factory worker or secretary can make as little as $100/month. I have a few staff that I pay just $160 a month to. Even when their work isn't profitable, I still keep them on the payroll to do the odd profitable job for me. It's a trivial expense.

In fact if you are setting yourself up in a foreign country and have the budget, I'd recommend opening and staffing an office, just for the status boost it gives you. You can also get a lot of resumes with head-shots that way.

Having command over other humans is status. Girls like to date the the boss at something. It gives them status among their peers too, and over the other staff. Chicks love having status over other chicks.

How did you get to be set up in Indonesia? Work?

I've never been anywhere in Asia yet and am curious. It seems that everyone always talks about China, Japan, Thailand, and the Phillipines, but I have not heard much at all about Indonesia.

Wald

I've been in SEA for something like 12 years. Bali, Thailand, Philippines, then back to Bali, and from there 3 other cities in Indonesia. I'm self employed with an internet based business, so I move when relationships get stale or I want to make a fresh start in an exciting new place. China is next on my list. Just waiting to stabilize some health problems, and in the meantime I'm in a comfortable limbo, with a house I really like and a half decent hot chick to take care of me.

Thailand is more entertaining, but the general attitude is very anti-foreigner. In Indonesia foreigners are minor celebrities and the high status girls very often marry a foreigner. They have a long history of interbreeding with their conquerers, and respect their conquerers. Some villages to this day talk positively of their old colonial rule. The Philippines is in the middle - they are also very welcoming, however the attitude is that westerners are not 100% human, and it's fair game to exploit us for fun and profit. You get that insular us/them ingroup/outgroup attitude everywhere, but Indonesia rates as the most inclusive of the three, and Thailand the least.

In one small town in Indonesia I was treated like a minor celebrity when I walked down the street. People would say hello, and offer to me to join their gathering for a drink. College girls would giggle and flirt. "Hello Mister". And the guys didn't seem to all boil with envy and hate - they'd invite me to join their groups.

But even there there are player girls. That girl who is secretly married with a kid who invites you out to lunch and haves all her friends show up and they order a table full of lobster and then repays you with nothing but a kiss. Or the virgin hottie who is after attention and validation and flirts with you while you are dating another girl only to frustrate every attempt to do anything that isn't virginal. Or the professional girlfriend who's main man is out of town.

People often have a very quaint understanding of the sexual goings on in these so called "conservative" lands. You have to keep your wits about you out here or you'll get eaten alive.

And it can be surprising how even young girls are skilled at manipulating men. It's as if they born and bred for the job - as if it's an evolutionary trait fixed to their species.

[Basil Ransom]

(10-28-2012 02:29 PM)Hades Wrote:  

(10-27-2012 06:53 PM)Wool Suit Wrote:  

(10-27-2012 03:04 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

Haha I love Olya - she's hot and talks like Greek Kamaki. "Because man is the strong gender, instinct of hunter is in his blood and so on and so on. In short, this is the historical aspect. To pursue the girl is achievement, some sort of adrenaline.."

Olya Rezakova caught my eye, too. Pretty much everything I like about Russian girls in one statement. They know and respect gender roles, but are not above logic, which is why Alik's proposal worked.

I think his sugar daddy game could work on OkCupid!, but he runs the risk of getting a crazy who would report him for solicitation. Plus, what possible reason would he want to?

Yeah Olya is pretty awesome. Most girls take a lot of teasing to get their ideas of what a man should be but she wrote back right away that they should be some kind of badass hunter with the blood instinct and stuff. I like that she's aware of and respects gender roles without being bitter about it.

Also I remember the first time I read a post by Greek kamaki. At first I thought he was some kind of perpetually drunk forum lurker but then I realized his posts were serious. After a week or two of reading the stuff he wrote I came to the conclusion that he was operating on some kind of otherworldly plane of game that I would not be able to fathom but should respect.

I like the way Slavic and other non-Anglo people talk about such matters. They always use such florid language, with comparisons to the natural world, or to traditional societies of the past. Westerners wouldn't - they would say, "why should we use animals as a role model? What does that prove?" Appeals to the past are largely ineffective with Westerners, because they think the past was evil and only in recent times are we enlightened.

I wasn't mocking Kamaki, I think I'd seriously enjoy a girl who talked like that, and consciously desired a man who's masculine. Oddly, the girls who fit this description in the States are usually not that feminine.

[xsplat]

(10-28-2012 03:19 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

Westerners wouldn't - they would say, "why should we use animals as a role model? What does that prove?" Appeals to the past are largely ineffective with Westerners, because they think the past was evil and only in recent times are we enlightened.

That's an insightful remark.

Yes, rather than having a broad historical and biological perspective in which humans are placed, our modern western culture acts rather teenagerish, as if everything it's parents ever did is oh so passe.

It takes a few more years of growing up to realize how smart your parents were. One can hope that western culture will age into a broader perspective.

But with women at the helm, that can only happen in cliques of male dominated culture.

**********

Another thought about SEA - Thailand was the best place for socializing with other expats. There are enough of them that it's easy to meet each other, but no too many that there is too much competition for the locals.

This is one reason I'm going to China next. The expat scene where I'm at leaves little possibility for socializing with my own kind. Even at their best, a local won't get me laughing like a westerner that I can relate with can. I hear that in cities such Shanghai there's a big expat scene, and many RVforum members. Might be nice to socialize with guys offline.