[kosko]

Roosh how was your Friday? Any better venue wise ?

Tonight:

A NEW bar called : UNIUN just opened up. Like all new things it will be bumping till that new car smell wears off.

PARTS AND LABOUR my favorite spot is having a Jam downstairs. It's old school hip-hop and should be a solid time.

I will be at one of these two spots tonight. I stayed in last night as the cold was a boner killer for me but now that sun us out and The Vitamin D is flowing it's time to hit the pavement.

[Roosh]

It was a lot better. I settled in The Ossington. Didn't care for the scene much but there were girls. Talked to one for a long while, she kept coming back after her gigantic fat friend kept cockblocking. She didn't want to hook up though, and told me to take her number before going to eat poutine with her friends. She wants to go out on Wednesday, but I will be gone by then.

I like Ossington street because it's relatively close to my apartment and also the girls seem "typical." It has a good cross section of ages, races, and attitudes for my research. I don't want to go to fancy clubs because it won't be representative of the girls. Like if you only go to The Park or Lima in DC, you'd think that DC is stacked with hot women. Also the attitude with these girls is not so great, so I can only imagine how it is in the club.

Some girl last night told me that "Ossington is hipster." I don't agree. It seems mainstream to me. You see a couple guys with beards and skinny jeans but I'm getting a vanilla vibe. The talent level though is too average to where I don't care if I get laid or not, whereas in Montreal I pushed real hard for it. I was five times more motivated in Montreal.

The 2am last call is absolutely brutal. In DC last call is 2:30 but bars can be packed at 11am or even before. Last night didn't get going until midnight. Two hours game time is too short. The girls were open but if I'm meeting them after 1, that gives you little time to make magic happen. I saw a lot of number exchanges last night. It was hard to disperse the girl groups... they wanted to stick together until the end. I stood on the street and saw many of them getting into taxis, 3 or 4 deep.

[kosko]

Yea sounds about right. Yes Ossington is preety mainstream, It used to a Hipster Haven but not anymore. It is more relaxed and not as pretentious which is nice. People pile in from dinner and lounges which explains why things get going late. The 2hr window makes it for a hostile gaming experience since time is limited. This is probably why my patience is so short, you just can't find the time to try and work things in. The whole 45 min convo... Yea ... Can't do it. It's 1am if you do that!

Hey at least tonight things end at 3am due to Daylight savings time. Last year this well for me I did end up taking a lizard away since we had that little bit of extra time.

Montreal talent is top in the land, the drop off will be drastic. I always felt Toronto had good quality talent but it will be interesting to see your observations since you have traveled abroad.

[Saladin]

Where's everyone going out tonight?

[Roosh]

I guess sticking to Ossington. I don't really want to go out... I know what's waiting for me.

[rudebwoy]

(11-03-2012 09:50 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

I guess sticking to Ossington. I don't really want to go out... I know what's waiting for me.

Try the Drake tonight?
You have done Ossington, try something else.

[bodmon]

I'm in spice route right now, lots of blue dots here lol

[metalhaze]

Generally speaking, people in Toronto are more career oriented so people have high expectations in what they are looking for and can be more materialistic or status oriented (though that's a huge generalization). Montreal has more of a laissez-faire attitude when it comes to having fun (last call is at 3:30, lower drinking age, etc.). Montreal is more of a student city and less spread out that toronto too given that it's an island and it has this european feel to it.

Though Toronto has higher salaries than Montreal and lower taxes, rent is almost twice as expensive and there are less services.

I dont see how Toronto could be different than any major american city say like Chicago or DC (except for NYC perhaps).

[Roosh]

Tonight was a massacre.

Quality was lowest of all three nights, but it was most crowded.

I got cockblocked on 80% of my approaches.

I semi-suited up tonight. Still almost no eye contact.

5's are very thirsty. They smile and want to talk. They half-approach you.

The occasional 7 is open. You have to find her. If you do 5-10 approaches a night on 7s you'll find one that is down until you get cockblocked.

Are you guys getting ONS's in Toronto? I don't see it.

The social groupings are tough to crack.

Most girls are overweight.

I don't believe it sucks this bad for a city this big. The type of bars I went to should have open girls who want to fuck. But girls are doing their thing and then they all hop in cabs. They seem to be more excited about eating after the bar than getting with dudes.

Montreal girls are hotter AND nicer AND easier to escalate with. Compared to Toronto it's poosy paradise.

I came here with an open mind, I swear, but it's pretty bad.

[kosko]

I told you Montreal is the best in Canada. It's hard to match that. Knowhere in Canada will match Quebec.

Parts and Labour was 3 to 1 females vs dudes. No joke. I shot myself in the foot getting there late (12 30ish). Could not settle into a groove and tried to do dance floor game all night. Blew the 2 girls whom showed interest, had ZERO patience and kept scurrying around like a damn rat. (the two broads had ADD, broke through the cockblockers but could not ring either in) Going for the 2 broads friends instead... Aka suicide.

A troupe of MILFS were there and were down for the D. I got there way to late. MILF Lady in red showed interest but her ass was way to drunk ( she was hot tho, no doubt ).

Shot myself in the foot tonight bad. It was a good ratio to work with I just wish I could of taken advantage of it better.

You would of enjoyed it there Roosh. A bit of everything there.

[thegmanifesto]

(11-04-2012 02:47 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

I semi-suited up tonight. Still almost no eye contact.

Never "semi-suit up".

Always full Suit Up.

I mean, are you ever going to "semi-alpha" up?

[allgood]

(11-04-2012 02:47 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Tonight was a massacre.

Quality was lowest of all three nights, but it was most crowded.

I got cockblocked on 80% of my approaches.

I semi-suited up tonight. Still almost no eye contact.

5's are very thirsty. They smile and want to talk. They half-approach you.

The occasional 7 is open. You have to find her. If you do 5-10 approaches a night on 7s you'll find one that is down until you get cockblocked.

Are you guys getting ONS's in Toronto? I don't see it.

The social groupings are tough to crack.

Most girls are overweight.

I don't believe it sucks this bad for a city this big. The type of bars I went to should have open girls who want to fuck. But girls are doing their thing and then they all hop in cabs. They seem to be more excited about eating after the bar than getting with dudes.

Montreal girls are hotter AND nicer AND easier to escalate with. Compared to Toronto it's poosy paradise.

I came here with an open mind, I swear, but it's pretty bad.

The cockblocking is the most annoying thing. Guys have been rejected so many times that they're reluctant to make a move. They're hovering around, looking for an easy target. They see you make an approach and the girl is actually responding to you, so they move in on you. That girl looks like an easy target to them because if she'll talk to you, she might talk to them. The amount of girls open to approach is so slim that they don't care if they're being rude. There are no penalties for this sort of behaviour - nearly every guy is a beta, there aren't a lot of fights in Toronto, so they don't see anything wrong with it. They've never learned to stay out of another guy's territory.

The ways to get a ONS there is to A) wait for a 5 to approach you - sometimes they will, as you discovered. If you have enough game to keep them interested (yes, you even need game on 5s there), and can deal with the shame and self-loathing during and afterwards, you can get laid. Or B) find one who's so drunk she'll ditch her friends to go home with you. Or C), luck out with a foreigner who's visiting or new in town. Or D), go to a private party where social circle can do wonders. But there are big problems with D) as Kosko pointed out earlier.

I've done A - D and have to say it's mostly not worth it. The girls you want are probably not going to go home with you. They're going to play with their phones all evening then go feed their faces with their friends, then go home to sleep.

(In retrospect, most of the ONS I've had have been a combination of two or more of A,B,C & D. Just one isn't enough. The stars really have to align for you.)

Too bad you're there for such a short time - a lot of us would like to see your opinion on other venues and daygaming in T.O.

[Kaizen]

@ roosh amazingly I've had only 3 pure ONS in Toronto...and I'm now in my 30s

It's like Christmas if it happens and I haven't met anyone who experiences that as a routine

TO really doesn't have a hooking up culture. Maybe it's the immigrant influence with a baseline of uptight WASP culture.

[ikemen]

Wow shit I think I chose to temporarily base myself in the wrong city! I know people in the other thread said I won't have an issue here being an out-of-towner, but hearing of these girls' and betas' attitudes just gives me a sour taste in the mouth. Being a novelty isn't so fun...but we'll discuss all this on Monday. If only French wasn't required for a good job in Montreal....

[metalhaze]

"Maybe it's the immigrant influence with a baseline of uptight WASP culture." couped with the fact that it's pretty spread out so people live far in the burbs...

[allgood]

(11-04-2012 08:42 AM)ikemen Wrote:  

Wow shit I think I chose to temporarily base myself in the wrong city! I know people in the other thread said I won't have an issue here being an out-of-towner, but hearing of these girls' and betas' attitudes just gives me a sour taste in the mouth. Being a novelty isn't so fun...but we'll discuss all this on Monday. If only French wasn't required for a good job in Montreal....

I hate to tell you, but you've made a big mistake...

Quote:

...If you're a decent guy from anywhere in the world, listen carefully: DO NOT move to this town. I repeat, DO NOT move here.

Unless you've been offered a job here where you'll make AT LEAST 100k/year, please do yourself an enormous favour and stay where you are. The grass is greener where you are. I will so enjoy the day all these women grow old and lonely living with their cats desperate for male attention. I have no sympathy for the female gender in this town. No compassion, no mercy, no consideration of any kind. Toronto is the living breathing mind of "all men are evil" feminist extremism. You will NOT meet the love of your life here. There are no soul mates here. There are no love stories. Women do NOT give a damn about true love or romance here. They look at you with scorn and hatred in their eyes on a daily basis. They will see you as just another loser no matter what you say or do...

http://tomenunite.blogspot.ca/2011/08/re...orlds.html

[kosko]

It's a assortment of things. I am a avid social observer and IMO Toronto is the future of most North American large cities. This is what North American Cities will rot into since this is what you get when females run the show. Females are so hostile here because they ALL have options waiting. When you have a steady rotation of beta dick on standby you dont itch for bangs.

90% of my SNL/ONS have come from females with boyfriends or husbands. That should tell you enough of the sleazy dynamics of this City.

It's for sure an assortment of things that fuck Toronto up: from being over retailed (bars and shops), to it's WASPY roots, to it's dominate PC culture, to it's institutionalized femenism, to the females and homosexuals that hold considerable economic and political might, to it's polarized immigrant culture, poor economic standings, bad logistics, etc, etc, etc.

Toronto simply is a Beta City. You can Google Alpha Cities as there is a global list of them. Toronto is ranked high but it's misleading.

Toronto is the only Beta City on earth. I can go into great detail on this but I'll spare the rant for another day since I am in my phone. It's a discussion worthy of its own thread.

Roosh you could literally do a test project on this town to highlight the flaws and how Toronto is the test City for what is to come all over North America but I have no idea of your willing to sacrifice yourself to that lol. It would be a grueling 3 month project - It's been 3 days and Roosh is clawing to get out Lol.

It's a cease pool of bullshit here and yes the women are aggressively hostile - the cockblocks are at a nuclear level and the bitch shields are iron clad.

Did you try DayGame at all while here Roosh? The Loblaws on Carlton or Starbucks, etc?

[Zeus]

I know a few guys that always get ONS but they're slayers. They constantly have pussy at their disposal.

I'v been close but never got a ONS from night/club game in Toronto. And a lot of the guys that I do know are taking home 5 and 6's.

And the fat chicks. Fuck. About a month before I left I really noticed it. I was at a concert at The Garrison and there were a half dozen 7-8's. ANd they all had BF's with them. The others were just fat.

Here in the west I've noticed the opposite. SO many thin babes. The odd fatty.

Hopefully the west will do me better.

[Rocky2]

[kosko]

The fatties have no shame here. The PC culture plus thirsty dudes willing to fuck then means they are more out there, exposing themselves to the meat market.

I have no idea if Toronto has more obese people or not. I doubt it because I come from the Prairies where we are the fattest in Canada and Toronto just does not compare (Calgary for example is a slop show of fatties, the big 3 in Canada are okay weight wise). The only difference is that the fatties where I grew up with got no love. They only were getting fucked from old ass black dudes in their 40s, or they are married/ltr with a kid and swelled up that way. But the single fatties were using dildos or fucking nerds - vs - In Toronto a fattie can get pipe from a desperate good looking high status man. It should not be like that.

I refuse to go that route though. Fatties can go fuck themselves... literally.

Let's not discount weather in all if this either. It's cold as balls now and the felines are starting to hibernate. Roosh landed during are first cold snap of fall. The numbers and quality drop ten fold when the weather goes cold. The women literally hide inside in the winter months and only come out for Birthdays. I wasted a whole winter gaming in empty waters last year.

Summer is superior and the only time Toronto is tolerable. In those months the women don't get any nicer lol but the numbers and volume increase dramatically.

[rudebwoy]

(11-04-2012 08:42 AM)ikemen Wrote:  

Wow shit I think I chose to temporarily base myself in the wrong city! I know people in the other thread said I won't have an issue here being an out-of-towner, but hearing of these girls' and betas' attitudes just gives me a sour taste in the mouth. Being a novelty isn't so fun...but we'll discuss all this on Monday. If only French wasn't required for a good job in Montreal....

You will be fine, you will have new guy look written all over. Once you drop the OZ lingo then it should be game/set/match, just don't talk too much and play stupid.
A good friend of mine does well with the ladies, he has been here for over ten years but still acts like he just arrived when he meets girls. He has a cool trini accent and plays dumb.
I am sure alot of these girls have not travelled to Oz, so you can tell them you are crocodile dundee's cousin with a straight face and they would believe you.

[Nascimento]

Think of Toronto as conditioning. Put yourself through the hardest, toughest challenges, and you grow and adapt from it. In time you may become good enough with the quality Toronto women. At that point, you can go anywhere in the world and not have a problem at all with seduction.

[Moma]

Thank you Roosh. I hope G manifesto is reading this thread and taking notes. It's got fcuk all to do with suits.

The energy in the city is bad.

I went out with Nomad again last night and had a great time, energy is different today. I sat in a club just soaking it up with a lizard from Montreal.

What I want to know from you, Roosh is, is Toronto WORSE than DC?

[WesternCancer]

(11-04-2012 10:52 AM)kosko Wrote:  

It's a assortment of things. I am a avid social observer and IMO Toronto is the future of most North American large cities. This is what North American Cities will rot into since this is what you get when females run the show. Females are so hostile here because they ALL have options waiting. When you have a steady rotation of beta dick on standby you dont itch for bangs.

90% of my SNL/ONS have come from females with boyfriends or husbands. That should tell you enough of the sleazy dynamics of this City.

It's for sure an assortment of things that fuck Toronto up: from being over retailed (bars and shops), to it's WASPY roots, to it's dominate PC culture, to it's institutionalized femenism, to the females and homosexuals that hold considerable economic and political might, to it's polarized immigrant culture, poor economic standings, bad logistics, etc, etc, etc.

Toronto simply is a Beta City. You can Google Alpha Cities as there is a global list of them. Toronto is ranked high but it's misleading.

Toronto is the only Beta City on earth. I can go into great detail on this but I'll spare the rant for another day since I am in my phone. It's a discussion worthy of its own thread.

Roosh you could literally do a test project on this town to highlight the flaws and how Toronto is the test City for what is to come all over North America but I have no idea of your willing to sacrifice yourself to that lol. It would be a grueling 3 month project - It's been 3 days and Roosh is clawing to get out Lol.

It's a cease pool of bullshit here and yes the women are aggressively hostile - the cockblocks are at a nuclear level and the bitch shields are iron clad.

Did you try DayGame at all while here Roosh? The Loblaws on Carlton or Starbucks, etc?

I'd like to add Vancouver to the most beta city on earth list. 90% of guys weigh less than the women (most are pretty thin), are hipsters, pale, supplicating and weak in every way imaginable. Theres a reason why there are 6 times as many dudes as girls on OKC and hot girls regularly complain about not being able to find a man. Not a good man or a real man, just any man.

[Roosh]

Quote:

What I want to know from you, Roosh is, is Toronto WORSE than DC?

I'll have to think about that one.

Another thing I noticed that if you utter one lame joke or say something that can be construed as sexist, the girl is disgusted and walks away. You need 100% perfect game, no mistakes. In the US I could get away with a lot more than in Toronto. It's almost like Scandinavia. Last night I said "I like feminine women" and the girl (a 6) got offended and went back to her huge group (at least six people).

At one point in the night I was standing in a packed bar and thought, "This is just pointless." Now I know what the PUAs I saw at Madison was approaching like monkeys. That seems to be what you got to do here.