[Therapsid]

Outstanding article on 007, as written from a paleo-conservative perspective. Best quote: "Want to know why gay marriage is inevitable? Because today’s man, coerced into believing in his own emasculation, would introduce himself to a lesbian named Pussy Galore by saying: “I respect your lifestyle choice.” When James Bond met a lesbian named Pussy Galore, he slept with her."

007's Masculine Mystique

The author basically offers a softer version of the same views you see in manosphere blogs. It's going mainstream.

[Long Haired Samson]

So what kind of game is Bond running here? Is Vesper running female game on him or just flirting?

[Laska]

^^He does some cold reading, but she beats him at that game.

[LINUX]

This game is called, "Reading a pre-written movie script."

You need to separate this from reality.

Sit down with a girl and psychoanalyze her while calling her an orphan, and it won't get you very far with getting laid.

And both sides here are playing the masculine role, which never works well for sexual tension in real life.

[Laska]

Well yes, of course this isn't realistic, but I will disagree with both of you in that the character of Bond is obviously contemptuous: he isn't even trying to pick her up (at least that's what I think they were going for).

[Long Haired Samson]

(08-25-2017 09:07 PM)Laska Wrote:  

Well yes, of course this isn't realistic, but I will disagree with both of you in that the character of Bond is obviously contemptuous: he isn't even trying to pick her up (at least that's what I think they were going for).

I agree with this. I think Bond is more trying to feel her out to see what kind of person Vesper is. He needs to know if he can trust her when it counts.

[Laska]

It Happened One Night has some really good examples of banter. Sometimes it helps to use the right kind of fiction to warm up your brain before being very social.

[Jvramerys]

(08-25-2017 07:37 PM)LINUX Wrote:  

This game is called, "Reading a pre-written movie script."

You need to separate this from reality.

Sit down with a girl and psychoanalyze her while calling her an orphan, and it won't get you very far with getting laid.

And both sides here are playing the masculine role, which never works well for sexual tension in real life.

[Space Cowboy]

(08-25-2017 07:20 PM)Laska Wrote:  

^^He does some cold reading, but she beats him at that game.

It's called the script writer decided to make the Bond Girl James Bond.

[AnonymousBosch]

^ Note that I never watched a James Bond movie again after the first Daniel Craig one. I just recognised it's something that's no longer for me.

The Feminists have been trying to destroy the character for years, and succeeded.

[The Beast1]

This thread reminds me of the "Dudeism" thread where a guy wanted to live like the Dude in the Big Lebowski.

Fiction is fiction, don't let it get to your head.

The only fiction work that I found had relevance at all to game was Madmen and even then towards the end of the series it got blue pilly.

[Laska]

You guys are beating a dead horse with points no one disagreed with. Give it a rest.

[N°6]

Has anyone read the Bond books? Are they relevant from a manosphere/ Red Pill perspective?

[Space Cowboy]

(08-27-2017 04:05 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

Has anyone read the Bond books? Are they relevant from a manosphere/ Red Pill perspective?

Have started Casino Royale. It's a bit dated but still really good. I think it contains your typical war/post-war British views about masculinity and women. I believe that after the release of the movie, Ian Fleming wrote the character as he was portrayed by Sean Connery.

[Long Haired Samson]

(08-26-2017 04:01 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

^ Note that I never watched a James Bond movie again after the first Daniel Craig one. I just recognised it's something that's no longer for me.

The Feminists have been trying to destroy the character for years, and succeeded.

I came across this video. It's interesting how the relationship between Bond and Ms. Moneypenny has changed over the decades. I can't even imagine those 1960's scenes in a Bond film today.

[911]

(08-27-2017 04:05 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

Has anyone read the Bond books? Are they relevant from a manosphere/ Red Pill perspective?

From that particular angle, the Bond archetype is just straight-up about following the 1960s/70s swinging bachelor Playboy fantasy lifestyle. He's got no family whatsoever, no relatives, no commitment, just going around looking all debonair and manly (pre-soy era), and screwing every good-looking woman he runs across at the drop of a hat (Oddjob's headgear nothwithstanding...)



So he makes a commitment to a good-looking woman with some kind of storyline depth to her character (Diana Rigg in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, 1969), marries her, then she promptly gets offed...


Beyond this, the 007 franchise is chock full of predictive/deep programming, Ian Flemming being a deep state operative, but most of it isn't of the anti-male variety, beyond my point above.

The name 007 references freemasonry and John Dee, who used to sign his correspondence with that numeral, which is also a numeral representation of masonic figure Tubal Cain ("two ball cane") :


John Dee signature on the left, Tubal Cane masonic lapel pin

"Two ball cane" is also the inspiration behind the Facebook logo, unmistakably so:



Some of Jay Dyer's best work is on Fleming (along with his stuff on Kubrick), he studied Flemming/Bond as his college these, here are some of his takes:

SPECTRE as the real deep state, it takes on the mantra as the mythical evil global conspiracy to absolve the real thing, which is tightly linked to the intelligence apparatus:

Quote:

the hierarchical pyramid of global government is not a series of goodly nation-states seeking to protect the “free world” from dastardly Manichaean dialectical manifestations, but rather is itself is a large interlocking system of crime syndicates. The world government that presently exists is one of covert, hidden rulership by various oligarchs. While a certain level of competition exists and is tolerated, these oligarchical Dr. Nos are not the denizens of secret Soviet underground lairs, but Bilderberg attendees and banking magnates. It is my thesis that whatever you see Dr. No or Blofeld or SMERSH or SPECTRE do, is in fact what the actual establishment itself does. The appellation of “rogue villain” or “rogue state” is rather a media propaganda term for a controlled double agent, such as a terrorist, or a rival syndicate to whatever crime syndicate happens to be in power and run the media.

https://jaysanalysis.com/2014/11/06/the-...s-spectre/

Quote:

Propaganda and psychological warfare using the arts are nothing more than the manipulation of symbols, and it is highly significant that Ian Fleming worked for years as the British Navy’s Political Warfare Executive, specializing in propanda, psychological warfare and rumors, becoming a “major force in British Intelligence.”[25] The film versions are crucial for semiotics due to the focus on the image of Bond, and that image’s promotion of a certain set of values for consumer consumption, as Michael Denning remarks in his “Licensed to Look: Jamed Bond and the Heroism of Consumption.” However, to fill a gap in the available research, the thesis of this paper will be that Bond constitutes an iconic embodiment of the British establishment’s belief in its own destined supremacy. From the time of Elizabeth I and her court astrologer, Dr. John Dee, the first “007,” to Cecil Rhodes and the Royal Society, the British Empire sought to fulfill the national myth of its own destined racial supremacy.[26] Previous Bond research has not fully examined the philosophical implications of a national narrative that includes the idea of an alchemical, occult summation of a kind of Nietzschean overman, incarnate in the character of Fleming’s Bond.

https://jaysanalysis.com/2012/04/20/the-...ropaganda/

Dyer on 007 predictive programming, semiotics and psychological warfare

[Travel Museums]

I like James Bond but understand it’s pure fantasy. Talking seriously about the characters is kinda silly. But it is interesting to watch such a chauvinistic franchise stay alive. Also who they choose to play the lead and how he adapts it.

[Laska]

(10-21-2017 05:53 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  

I like James Bond but understand it’s pure fantasy. Talking seriously about the characters is kinda silly. But it is interesting to watch such a chauvinistic franchise stay alive. Also who they choose to play the lead and how he adapts it.

It's silly if you don't understand what fiction is: an illustrative act of imagination.

[Travel Museums]

The characters are hyperbolic caricatures. That’s what makes them fun to watch. Having a serious discussion about Bond as if it’s real life though makes me chuckle.

[sterling_archer]

911, good post! There is extensive chapter about British secret services and occult connection in Jay Dyer's book Esoteric Hollywood. You have probably read it, but others who didn't should read it, especially if they want to understand how everything is connected.

Regarding Ian Fleming it's very interesting that he was one of the few who contacted Aleister Crowley to make him make an astrological chart that will lure nazi Rudolf Hess into Scotland. Fleming and Crowley were together with few key players (one of them becoming inspiration for "M") and operation succeeded, so we can assume he was not some small fish.

History tells us that Hess flew to Scotland in order to betray Hitler and make peace between Allies and Nazi Germany, but I think (and many others) that this is just the cover story and the real one is the one I described above.
But that begs question what did they want from Hess?

[Laska]

(10-22-2017 05:02 AM)Travel Museums Wrote:  

The characters are hyperbolic caricatures. That’s what makes them fun to watch. Having a serious discussion about Bond as if it’s real life though makes me chuckle.

That's what imagination is. Kids aren't born with it because its silly or stupid. We're born with it because it's useful. Shakespeare or Homer for instance, are often unrealistic in their characters, but you need to treat them as if they were real to learn from the authors. Pointing out that the characters aren't real people is like saying the Sun is bright.