[Nudge]

Try hit up some markets dude, loads more easy stuff to talk about.

[bojangles]

Alberto, take your arab chick for shisha. That way you can also position yourself sitting beside her

[AlbertoDelMuerto]

I just realized I need a bluetooth mic... so no audio recordings till then.

PDog, I have tried both small talk and very direct approaches, and yes I get more numbers from doing the indirect approach, but the flakey chicks still flake nonetheless. Initially being indirect and asking them for directions always stop them, but saying Hey you're cute, what's your name only works with chicks that give you a lot of IOIs. These days I only open with direction and cologne opinion openers, and if it's a Arab chick, I start speaking to her in Arabic.

There is this Portugese bartender dude who tells me I should spank women when they pass me by and grab their arms and pull them closer and make out with them without talking at all. I have to try this method when the streets aren't that busy.

Right now, I just need a boyfriend destroyer, I know most of them either lie about having boyfriends, or are just not interested.

As for social circle, I have none. I do not go to a university, I go to a professional finance training center, and there are 3 women and 20 men in my class. I do not drink unless I have to, I don't give two hoots about English soccer, hence I am not friends with any British dudes.

I think a lot of people on here wanna know why I prefer Janka, well it's because he is aggressive and he does not beat around the bush. I have seen many 'model looks' dudes with zero confidence, and the only way they ever get laid is social circle, so don't say Janka gets what he gets because of his looks.

[Deluge]

(11-17-2012 07:53 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

PDog, I have tried both small talk and very direct approaches, and yes I get more numbers from doing the indirect approach, but the flakey chicks still flake nonetheless. Initially being indirect and asking them for directions always stop them, but saying Hey you're cute, what's your name only works with chicks that give you a lot of IOIs. These days I only open with direction and cologne opinion openers, and if it's a Arab chick, I start speaking to her in Arabic.

Stop what you're doing right now. Read Day Bang and apply these lessons as you do so.

[Screwston]

(11-17-2012 07:53 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

There is this Portugese bartender dude who tells me I should spank women when they pass me by and grab their arms and pull them closer and make out with them without talking at all. I have to try this method when the streets aren't that busy.

You need to get with someone who's in London on here.

[Matt3B]

Alberto, you're a massive WUM aren't you?

[XXL]

BF objections...

plan A: ok me too / haha very funny anyway blablabla [and keep talking and see if she insists]
plan B: ok i guess we have 5 minutes then blablablabla [and keep talking and see if she insists]
plan C: well in that case i guess nothing can happen between us [and keep talking and see if she insists]

[Greek kamaki]

(11-17-2012 07:53 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

I just realized I need a bluetooth mic... so no audio recordings till then.


There is this Portugese bartender dude who tells me I should spank women when they pass me by and grab their arms and pull them closer and make out with them without talking at all. I have to try this method when the streets aren't that busy.

Right now, I just need a boyfriend destroyer, I know most of them either lie about having boyfriends, or are just not interested.

As for social circle, I have none. I do not go to a university, I go to a professional finance training center, and there are 3 women and 20 men in my class. I do not drink unless I have to, I don't give two hoots about English soccer, hence I am not friends with any British dudes.

I think a lot of people on here wanna know why I prefer Janka, well it's because he is aggressive and he does not beat around the bush. I have seen many 'model looks' dudes with zero confidence, and the only way they ever get laid is social circle, so don't say Janka gets what he gets because of his looks.

This is actually dangerous in a feminist ridden country like UK.Spanking women would make some of them call the police.

[Moma]

(11-18-2012 05:47 AM)MattC Wrote:  

Alberto, you're a massive WUM aren't you?

What does WUM mean? Well Understood Male?

[Thug Muffin]

(11-17-2012 07:53 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

PDog, I have tried both small talk and very direct approaches, and yes I get more numbers from doing the indirect approach, but the flakey chicks still flake nonetheless. Initially being indirect and asking them for directions always stop them, but saying Hey you're cute, what's your name only works with chicks that give you a lot of IOIs. These days I only open with direction and cologne opinion openers, and if it's a Arab chick, I start speaking to her in Arabic.

Right now, I just need a boyfriend destroyer, I know most of them either lie about having boyfriends, or are just not interested.

What's your approach like when you go direct?
Do you run up from behind? Approach from the front? From the side?
Are you able to get the girl to stop and want to listen to you?
Do you have a serious or fun vibe?
Are you taking value from them or giving value?

If you're getting a bf objection straight off the bat by the majority of girls then your approach probably needs work. You don't need a bf destroyer. It's like guys who say they just need that one perfect pick up line. If come up to the girl as a high value man and are able to convey that the "I have a bf" response will hardly come up in the very beginning. There is something in your approach or vibe that is bringing this up. Your better off fixing the problem then trying to treat the symptoms.

[Matt3B]

(11-18-2012 01:21 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(11-18-2012 05:47 AM)MattC Wrote:  

Alberto, you're a massive WUM aren't you?

What does WUM mean? Well Understood Male?

Wind up merchant

[AlbertoDelMuerto]

(11-18-2012 04:28 PM)Thug Muffin Wrote:  

(11-17-2012 07:53 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

PDog, I have tried both small talk and very direct approaches, and yes I get more numbers from doing the indirect approach, but the flakey chicks still flake nonetheless. Initially being indirect and asking them for directions always stop them, but saying Hey you're cute, what's your name only works with chicks that give you a lot of IOIs. These days I only open with direction and cologne opinion openers, and if it's a Arab chick, I start speaking to her in Arabic.

Right now, I just need a boyfriend destroyer, I know most of them either lie about having boyfriends, or are just not interested.

What's your approach like when you go direct?
Do you run up from behind? Approach from the front? From the side?
Are you able to get the girl to stop and want to listen to you?
Do you have a serious or fun vibe?
Are you taking value from them or giving value?

If you're getting a bf objection straight off the bat by the majority of girls then your approach probably needs work. You don't need a bf destroyer. It's like guys who say they just need that one perfect pick up line. If come up to the girl as a high value man and are able to convey that the "I have a bf" response will hardly come up in the very beginning. There is something in your approach or vibe that is bringing this up. Your better off fixing the problem then trying to treat the symptoms.

When chicks are coming towards me, I tap them on the shoulders and use my opener. For chicks that are headed the same direction, I approach them from the side and walk with them. I am able to stop 30% of the chicks, and I usually give off a rather serious vibe because I rarely smile. I am a rather gloomy person, but I am trying to be playful. Some chicks call me an asshole, some give me the finger, and some stop. Sometimes the one that stops are really low energy, and they have a poor command of English, think a Italian chick. Also there is a problem with Oxford street, there are just so many newbie PUAs running their game there everyday, so some of the women are getting annoyed a lot by those rookies.

[AlbertoDelMuerto]

Houston, earlier I talked about a decent Turkish PUA, but I have only seen him work on ugly drunk chicks that are 6'2, so I do not want to pay him. This Portugese bartender dude was supposed to meet me & my wingman a few weeks ago, but he never did. I recently got in toucb with Jon Matrix, and he asked for 160 pounds for a 3-hr coacbing session. However, I am too poor for that.

[Thug Muffin]

(11-18-2012 06:53 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

When chicks are coming towards me, I tap them on the shoulders and use my opener. For chicks that are headed the same direction, I approach them from the side and walk with them. I am able to stop 30% of the chicks, and I usually give off a rather serious vibe because I rarely smile. I am a rather gloomy person, but I am trying to be playful. Some chicks call me an asshole, some give me the finger, and some stop. Sometimes the one that stops are really low energy, and they have a poor command of English, think a Italian chick. Also there is a problem with Oxford street, there are just so many newbie PUAs running their game there everyday, so some of the women are getting annoyed a lot by those rookies.

I'm not a fan of your approach methods. For guys who have been doing daygame for a while any approach is going to work but for newer guys I think getting Yad stop perfected is the way to go. Once I dialed that down I'm getting at least 75% of the girls to stop and hear me out.

I used to go out with a guy who would tap girls on shoulders or the elbow and hardly any of them stopped. When he ran in front of them those odds reversed. What blows my mind is that he didn't see that correlation. He still tapped girls on the shoulders and when they didn't stop he would blame everything but his approach.

You're working on being more playful so that's great. Being serious will kill the interaction.My wing would always let me know when this happened. When it did I was able to reflect back upon that interaction and see that the girl was taken back, she kept a bit of distance, and a little intimidated. I go into these interactions now with a fun upbeat vibe. I'm just a cool guy enjoying my day.

I'm going to say that you should put more work into the vibe you put out and your approach technique. Once you do you'll see that your interactions start to get better and better.

I'm sure you stopped this but if you're getting called an asshole or given the finger you're contributing to why girls are being annoyed by all those rookies on oxford street.

[bojangles]

last line hits nail on the head, Krauser had a post on the daygame guys in London constantly doing the same thing over and over even if it didnt work.

[AlbertoDelMuerto]

(11-19-2012 07:34 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

last line hits nail on the head, Krauser had a post on the daygame guys in London constantly doing the same thing over and over even if it didnt work.

What days do you do daygame?

[XXL]

just out of curiosity, why do you meet girls in the same place where "all those rookies on oxford street" do?

[Giovonny]

(11-17-2012 07:53 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

I just need a boyfriend destroyer

They say they have a boyfriend because they are not interested in you.

You don't need a "boyfriend destroyer", you need to learn how to present yourself in an attractive way. If they like you, they will cheat on their their boyfriend. The problem is not their boyfriend, the problem is your game. There is no magical line that will get her to like you. She will like you because you are attractive and interesting to her. Work to transform yourself into a more attractive man.

(11-18-2012 06:53 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

I rarely smile. I am a rather gloomy person

Girls like to have fun. Being to serious really dries up the p*ssy. Humor is a major turn on. Try to get better in these areas. Fun guys do better then gloomy guys.

If you are really a dark, gloomy person, you should target dark, gloomy girls. These are the girls that will "get you". They might relate to your attitude and understand your vibe.

If thats really who you are, go for it! Dress in all black, wear black nail polish, hang out in those circles. If thats your niche, exploit it!

(11-18-2012 08:53 PM)Thug Muffin Wrote:  

When he ran in front of them those odds reversed.

If you want a girl in the street to stop and talk to you, you gotta do it like a man. You gotta get her attention and make sure she feels your masculine power. Tapping her on the shoulder is not enough. Saying "excuse me" is not enough.

When you jump in front of a girl you are letting her know that you don't give a fuck. You are a man and you are going for what you want. You are fully invested in getting her. She can sense that fearlessness that you display. Just tapping her on the shoulder or saying "excuse me" is not enough. It seems kind of p*ssy most times. You are not really going for what you want. You don't have the balls to physically stop her in her tracks.

What would an alpha do? Ask permission to chat with some chick? Or, physically get in her way, get right in her face, and don't give her an easy way out. Which do you think will get her hamster spinning and get her moist? Which do you think a woman will respect more. A man who carefully and cautiously goes after what he wants with a half assed effort? Or, a man who goes after what he wants with zero fear and concern for what other people think?

Women will respond better to a stronger, more ballsy, less fearful, approval seeking approach.

Get right up in that bitches face and tell her what you feel!

Even better if you do with some humor style!

Approach like you are superior to her in every way. The worst thing you can do is go in half committed, half invested, seeking her permission.

[XXL]

that's good clip to learn from.

do you see how natural his approach was? so smooth and normal. but at the same time he stops her and stands very close to her. notice he speaks bit slowly and comments something specific about her that peaked his interest [in this case, style] and appreciates it by contrasting it with others. then normal boring looking conversation. i liked his build up to the kiss too

PS. the coolest thing is the guy is in one of the world's pickup capital cities and still gets results in spite of all the competition and his chubby looks with potato face and wig like hair (i really thought he's wearing a wig). that's fucking inspiring. check the whole youtube channel of this video, good stuff.

[AlbertoDelMuerto]

(11-19-2012 01:19 PM)XXL Wrote:  

just out of curiosity, why do you meet girls in the same place where "all those rookies on oxford street" do?

Because Oxford Street is the most busiest shopping street in London, other places are not so busy after dark i.e 4:30 pm

[AlbertoDelMuerto]

(11-19-2012 01:23 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(11-17-2012 07:53 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

I just need a boyfriend destroyer

They say they have a boyfriend because they are not interested in you.

You don't need a "boyfriend destroyer", you need to learn how to present yourself in an attractive way. If they like you, they will cheat on their their boyfriend. The problem is not their boyfriend, the problem is your game. There is no magical line that will get her to like you. She will like you because you are attractive and interesting to her. Work to transform yourself into a more attractive man.

(11-18-2012 06:53 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

I rarely smile. I am a rather gloomy person

Girls like to have fun. Being to serious really dries up the p*ssy. Humor is a major turn on. Try to get better in these areas. Fun guys do better then gloomy guys.

If you are really a dark, gloomy person, you should target dark, gloomy girls. These are the girls that will "get you". They might relate to your attitude and understand your vibe.

If thats really who you are, go for it! Dress in all black, wear black nail polish, hang out in those circles. If thats your niche, exploit it!

(11-18-2012 08:53 PM)Thug Muffin Wrote:  

When he ran in front of them those odds reversed.

If you want a girl in the street to stop and talk to you, you gotta do it like a man. You gotta get her attention and make sure she feels your masculine power. Tapping her on the shoulder is not enough. Saying "excuse me" is not enough.

When you jump in front of a girl you are letting her know that you don't give a fuck. You are a man and you are going for what you want. You are fully invested in getting her. She can sense that fearlessness that you display. Just tapping her on the shoulder or saying "excuse me" is not enough. It seems kind of p*ssy most times. You are not really going for what you want. You don't have the balls to physically stop her in her tracks.

What would an alpha do? Ask permission to chat with some chick? Or, physically get in her way, get right in her face, and don't give her an easy way out. Which do you think will get her hamster spinning and get her moist? Which do you think a woman will respect more. A man who carefully and cautiously goes after what he wants with a half assed effort? Or, a man who goes after what he wants with zero fear and concern for what other people think?

Women will respond better to a stronger, more ballsy, less fearful, approval seeking approach.

Get right up in that bitches face and tell her what you feel!

Even better if you do with some humor style!

Approach like you are superior to her in every way. The worst thing you can do is go in half committed, half invested, seeking her permission.

When did I ever say "Excuse me", I never say that, I begin with 'Hey'.
Furthermore, I did block them, and they got weirded out. I've met the PUA Yad, and he gives off a very homoseuxal vibe, the way he talks and everything, and I will never take him seriously. Furthermore, I've seen Yad get rejected a lot just last week.

[Deluge]

(11-19-2012 10:25 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

When did I ever say "Excuse me", I never say that, I begin with 'Hey'.
Furthermore, I did block them, and they got weirded out. I've met the PUA Yad, and he gives off a very homoseuxal vibe, the way he talks and everything, and I will never take him seriously. Furthermore, I've seen Yad get rejected a lot just last week.

No offence but your attitude to learning from your betters is absolutely awful. You need to work on that.

[bojangles]

(11-19-2012 01:19 PM)XXL Wrote:  

just out of curiosity, why do you meet girls in the same place where "all those rookies on oxford street" do?

Hey XXL, Oxford Street is the busiest street in Europe. It should not matter that rookies are there gaming as it's not that likely to meet a girl who's been daygamed, over 200 approaches around that area and it's only happened to me twice (both being wings who had opened the target 10-15 minutes beforehand).

Funnily one of my best sets was reopening a HB who moments earlier blew out a guy..maybe it was Alberto

[bojangles]

(11-19-2012 10:25 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

snip

I don't understand this, you exhalt Jon Matrix who is from the same school as the Yad who you disparage.

[AlbertoDelMuerto]

(11-20-2012 06:37 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 10:25 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

snip

I don't understand this, you exhalt Jon Matrix who is from the same school as the Yad who you disparage.

Because Matrix exudes masculinity, very few PUAs are like that. I don't wanna learn from the effeminate Yad or Sasha!

Bojangles, why don't we meet up at Oxford St some time, I'd like to see how YOU do it.