[temujin]

Naturally, it's pussy paradise. Europe wins hands down on almost all accounts.

And it's no secret why Roosh (and other men) excel in countries like Poland, Croatia, The Baltics, etc.:

The average wage of these countries is far below that of Western Europe

We can sit around and talk fashion, game, muscles, the "foreigner effect," all day long.

But money talks, and it's the cash we have to get that nice flat in the center; to buy the threads to look good; to have the flexibility to day & night game (instead of grinding away in a cubicle); to pop from city to city on a whim; hell, to have the energy & time to DATE instead of lying in an exhausted heap after a shitty week of work; that makes us rise above the masses to get that new pussy over and over again.

Having roamed these parts for 11 years, I'll say the biggest "threat" to this lifestyle is, pure and simple, cash.

Assuming you make a lower middle-class Western income (say, $3000-4000 USD per month), and the average wage of say, Poland, were to double, I would bet money that the difficulty level of laying sexual waste through Poland would increase noticeably for you.

In other words, the simple formula for sustainable pussy banging in Europe is to keep your income AT LEAST three times the average monthly wage of the country you're living in.

Anything above that 3x multiple, and the difficulty level will go down steadily but surely AND your access to the top-tier of that country will increase, without a doubt. It'll be like...magic.

Now sure, you can do short "bursts" here and there, and your income may not come into play. After all, you're on vacation. Nobody knows you. Drunk student girls from the local club don't really care about your wallet...in the beginning.

But if you're talking SUSTAINABLE pussy banging -- year after year -- where you maintain a harem in hot spots throughout the continent, then it's the money that's going to keep it going.

[Vicious]

Roosh did say Europe is HIS pooossy paradise. I don't think any such place is absolute for all men. It depends on your style, game and age. I'm reaching the magic three digits on Europe and I don't consider it my PP.

[Greek kamaki]

Yes,money is important.However Poland for example has an average wage of 500 euro per month in province,this does not mean that it is 3 times more difficult than Ukraine which has an average wage of 150 euro per month.There are other factors which come into play too.
Also in countries like Poland,Ukraine or Russia it is very difficult for the foreigner to make money without local connections(almost impossible due to rampant corruption and burocracy like in Greece).So the average foreigner happens to be usually a poor student,a stag tourist or an old western pensioneer who do not give exactly the best name to foreigners.Only some multinational firms employees who get western salaries in eastern Europe despite lack of knowledge of local language,passive income freelancers like IT proffessionals and real estate buyers who buy and rent apartments earn substantially more money than the locals but they are few and far between.

The other possibility is to work in a western country like Germany and visit Poland or CR in the weekends like many Turks do.Or work in Finland and visit Baltics in the weekends like many Finns and other Scandinavians do.Or work in the UK and travel to EE in the weekends by cheap flights.

[temujin]

Others factors, like "language", and "cultural affinity", of course, are part of the equation. But that goes without saying.

And I'm talking living IN COUNTRY for AT LEAST 6 months to a year, not "visiting" for 2 weeks. This is an important difference.

Finally, what I'm ultimately addressing, is making your money independent of location. Not easy to do, but critical for freedom and IMO, prosperity.

[Parlay44]

Europe is a place with no middle class. You're either poor/working class or you're loaded with "Old Money".
So of course anything above what they earn will be attractive to women. Money is power. That's just how it is.

Most of the people they interact with on a daily basis are poor but highly educated (due to free education).
It's actually quite a treat to interact with smart and humble women. It's a far cry from the dumb entitled
bitches we deal with in the US.

My cousin was a poor farm girl from Macedonia. The guy she married emigrated to the US years ago and made
something of himself then went back to Macedonia to find a good, wholesome, family oriented woman to marry.
He was smart enough not to marry an American girl. And she was smart enough to "marry up" into the lifestyle
he offered. She wasn't ruined by wealth after all these years either. She's still the same person. I think if you're
brought up humble then you'll remain humble. Hence the problems we have in the US.

[el mechanico]

"brought up humble then you'll remain humble. Hence the problems we have in the US."

Please explain why this doesn't apply to the Latinas that move here.

Also, if we're talking just poosy here the states offer the same thing if your income is higher than everyone elses. I'm not reading any lay reports from Europe where guys are banging different girls every night which you could do here if you had the time and resources. I was doing that for most of my 20s and 30s

I'm talking Florida pretty much. Regular guys don't make much here and girls make shit. Not many dudes can date at my level here. Casinos, fast boats etc.

[Parlay44]

(09-24-2012 10:41 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

"brought up humble then you'll remain humble. Hence the problems we have in the US."

Please explain why this doesn't apply to the Latinas that move here.

You have to marry them and keep them pregnant before they realize what's going on I'm just kidding. I have no idea mechanico

All I can say is the females in my family came from nothing. They were lucky to have one pair of shoes to last them a few years.
I think they're just regular normal girls. Maybe Macedonia is the real Poosy Paradise of Europe?

[Rick91]

You do realise Spain, Greece and Italy are also in Europe. Good look with slaying quality pussy in those places reguarly.

[The Fantasist]

(09-24-2012 10:41 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

I'm not reading any lay reports from Europe where guys are banging different girls every night which you could do here if you had the time and resources. I was doing that for most of my 20s and 30s

Bingo!!!

Come on who is living in EE or FSU and banging high quality girls regularly? Who here is banging Ukrainian 9's on a regular basis? Only a select few that have deep language and cultural understanding. Natives yes,foreigners like me,not many. Not me.

[chochemonger1]

To say Europe is a pussy paradise is the same as saying all of Latin America is a pussy paradise, which is obviously not true. Im sure Roosh meant Eastern Europe (Poland, Croatia) and maybe 1 or 2 other countries.
I think what makes it such a paradise for him and maybe not others, is that Roosh is the night game king. There is no other better region in the world, where you can go to a bar or club and get a one night stand with a hot girl. In the US you can do that too but the quality,as we know, is way lower. That is why he probably prefers Europe to Colombia or Brazil, because in these 2 countries they dont have that ONS culture and people (especially girls) distrust strangers alot more, unlike in Europe.
The problem with most of Europe IMO, is that you can only do what Roosh has been doing until a certain age. There will come a time where he will be the old man at the bar (though years later than in the USA) The age differs by country, but from most accounts the farther east you go the older you can be and still bang young girls (Ukraine, Russia). Though, you will have to have money.
So if I was Roosh I would do a 6 month trip (in Latin America preferably) and then head back to Eastern Europe. In his 40s he will still be able to do alot of damage with young hotties in Colombia, Brazil though less than in SE Asia. Thus, he should use the remaining years in his 30´s to plow through his pussy paradise.

[Merenguero]

(09-24-2012 10:41 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

"brought up humble then you'll remain humble. Hence the problems we have in the US."

Please explain why this doesn't apply to the Latinas that move here.

It doesn't apply because you have Beta males of all races and nationalities putting average at best Hispanic girls on a pedestal thus inflating their egos and creating bitch shields. As far as I have seen, the place least affected by this is Jackson Heights and the place most affected is Miami.

[Rah]

(09-24-2012 10:41 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Also, if we're talking just poosy here the states offer the same thing if your income is higher than everyone elses. I'm not reading any lay reports from Europe where guys are banging different girls every night which you could do here if you had the time and resources. I was doing that for most of my 20s and 30s

I'm talking Florida pretty much. Regular guys don't make much here and girls make shit. Not many dudes can date at my level here. Casinos, fast boats etc.

It sounds like you do Florida like nobody else does Florida, you got the place locked down and figured out front to back. There's got to be guys running at your level in EE and Latin America. I guess the question is are any of them non-native.

[Vicious]

(09-24-2012 10:38 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Europe is a place with no middle class. You're either poor/working class or you're loaded with "Old Money".
So of course anything above what they earn will be attractive to women. Money is power. That's just how it is.

That first sentence is just plain wrong, looking at income levels for Europe vs the US or Asia the bell curve is going to be far more weighted towards the middle for Europe. Had you said that it's all middle class you'd be more correct.

The other part I'm also shaking my head at. I make regular trips to the US for easy lays because flashing dough doesn't give me 1/10th of the attention in Europe as opposed to what I get on the US eastern seaboard.

[el mechanico]

(09-24-2012 03:53 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

(09-24-2012 10:38 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Europe is a place with no middle class. You're either poor/working class or you're loaded with "Old Money".
So of course anything above what they earn will be attractive to women. Money is power. That's just how it is.

That first sentence is just plain wrong, looking at income levels for Europe vs the US or Asia the bell curve is going to be far more weighted towards the middle for Europe. Had you said that it's all middle class you'd be more correct.

The other part I'm also shaking my head at. I make regular trips to the US for easy lays because flashing dough doesn't give me 1/10th of the attention in Europe as opposed to what I get on the US eastern seaboard.

That's what I'm talkin' bout. Remember Miami is not the rest of Florida. Cash rules here. again. Another thing....The girls around here walking around put the ones on Kamakis thread to shame.

[Sirob]

I agree with Roosh on most things but not this.

Western Europe is not a pussy paradise. Far from it.

Especially the Germanic countries, with Switzerland being the absolute worst.

In fact, if I had to chime in, I would probably call it a penis paradise.

[Spartan]

(09-24-2012 04:07 PM)Sirob Wrote:  

I agree with Roosh on most things but not this.

Western Europe is not a pussy paradise. Far from it.

Especially the Germanic countries, with Switzerland being the absolute worst.

In fact, if I had to chime in, I would probably call it a penis paradise.

When did Roosh ever say Western Europe is a pussy paradise?? Its not and no one claims it is...he's never written Bang germany or Bang scotland, lol

[jackson.henley]

(09-24-2012 01:08 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(09-24-2012 10:41 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

"brought up humble then you'll remain humble. Hence the problems we have in the US."

Please explain why this doesn't apply to the Latinas that move here.

It doesn't apply because you have Beta males of all races and nationalities putting average at best Hispanic girls on a pedestal thus inflating their egos and creating bitch shields. As far as I have seen, the place least affected by this is Jackson Heights and the place most affected is Miami.

Why only in a district in Queens NYC?

[Parlay44]

(09-24-2012 03:53 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

(09-24-2012 10:38 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Europe is a place with no middle class. You're either poor/working class or you're loaded with "Old Money".
So of course anything above what they earn will be attractive to women. Money is power. That's just how it is.

That first sentence is just plain wrong, looking at income levels for Europe vs the US or Asia the bell curve is going to be far more weighted towards the middle for Europe. Had you said that it's all middle class you'd be more correct.

The other part I'm also shaking my head at. I make regular trips to the US for easy lays because flashing dough doesn't give me 1/10th of the attention in Europe as opposed to what I get on the US eastern seaboard.

It's not about raw income. It's income verses cost of living. It's also relative to the world economy.
When the Dollar is weak as it is now everyone runs here to vacation and party cause it's so cheap
to them relative to their country's currency. When the Dollar is strong everyone runs here to live and work.

Let's define middle class though. The US visage of it is having a house and 2.3 kids and few new cars and still
saving enough for a cushy retirement. Is that something you would say the "average" European has?

From what I know of Europe people are living 3 generations to a household, apartment living or some kind
of government sponsored dormitory housing(for students at least). I don't ever hear of very many Europeans
that own their own house outside of the hereditary family home. The income verses cost of living just doesn't
allow for it.

[Spike]

(09-24-2012 11:46 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(09-24-2012 10:41 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

I'm not reading any lay reports from Europe where guys are banging different girls every night which you could do here if you had the time and resources. I was doing that for most of my 20s and 30s

Bingo!!!

Come on who is living in EE or FSU and banging high quality girls regularly? Who here is banging Ukrainian 9's on a regular basis? Only a select few that have deep language and cultural understanding. Natives yes,foreigners like me,not many. Not me.

Haha, you forgot DEB. I don't like to hate but the "other" travelling playas forum is infested with big ballers and braggers now. A shame really.

[Merenguero]

(09-24-2012 04:15 PM)jackson.henley Wrote:  

(09-24-2012 01:08 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(09-24-2012 10:41 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

"brought up humble then you'll remain humble. Hence the problems we have in the US."

Please explain why this doesn't apply to the Latinas that move here.

It doesn't apply because you have Beta males of all races and nationalities putting average at best Hispanic girls on a pedestal thus inflating their egos and creating bitch shields. As far as I have seen, the place least affected by this is Jackson Heights and the place most affected is Miami.

Why only in a district in Queens NYC?

Because other than Manhattan, Jackson Heights is the only part of New York City with which I am extremely familiar. Jackson Heights in my opinion is predominately Hispanic, although the Hispanic population itself is pretty diverse. It is dominated by Ecuadorians, Colombians, Dominicans, Mexicans, and Peruvians. I didn't include Manhattan, because I did not meet many Hispanic women there during the two weeks which I spent in New York City this summer.

[Travel85]

(09-24-2012 11:40 AM)Rick91 Wrote:  

You do realise Spain, Greece and Italy are also in Europe. Good look with slaying quality pussy in those places reguarly.

Great point Rick. Your counterexample definitely undermines the OP. In fact, Roosh striking out in both Spain and Italy bolsters your argument against the OP.

So if the OP's argument is that money is sufficient to get you laid regularly in Europe, he is clearly wrong. But if his argument is that money is a necessary condition to get you laid regularly in Europe, he may have a point for the reasons he suggested above. In that case, though, the other factors the OP pooh-poohed above would probably play a bigger role.

[Brian]

part of it is money but a bigger part is the percentage of the female population who is desirable - attractive, thin, feminine. if you go to a bar is poland the % of women who meet all those checks is much higher then DC or most places in the US.

[lavidaloca]

I think one problem with the OP's theory is the required relative income in order to obtain top tier stuff. I don't think 3 times the average income in any country is going to lead to that. I mean 3 times the average income in Canada is like 120k? Thats not exactly going to allow you to spend the money to attract the really hot women more than sparingly. I'd use the number as a factor of 10 of the median income as a better guage. If you've got say 10 times the polish median income you'd truly have a large advantage. If 3 times was the case, why do I not see doctors, lawyers and dentists regularily dating top of the line girls. A fresh grad from a good US law school can make 160k in Boston, NYC, California and Arizona. Roosh obviously has far better than average game and many worldly experiences which overcome any lack of income but I don't get the impression that Roosh is scoring the girls modelling in foreign magazines regularily albeit I could be way off on that assumption.

[sucio44]

I have a question about Europe..here. how do black guys do in there?

[SVK]

(09-24-2012 07:32 PM)Brian Wrote:  

part of it is money but a bigger part is the percentage of the female population who is desirable - attractive, thin, feminine. if you go to a bar is poland the % of women who meet all those checks is much higher then DC or most places in the US.

Yeah, I think this factor is more important than the money, especially in the Eastern block countries that are part of the EU. GDP per capita in Poland is 3 times higher than Ukraine and I have the impression that Roosh was far more successful with Polish girls. On the other hand, Ukraine would be probably a much better fit for somebody who is willing to drop huge wads of cash to make up for game.

It's simple formula of attractive female population and more traditional culture that keeps the women's attitudes in check. Good example would be Japan - one of the richest and most expensive countries in the world, but still considered a poosy paradise by many. These factors also play into the dating market dynamics where the men simply don't have to try as hard to get their piece.