[theycallmebob]

Warning: verbose.
Has anyone else had trouble, at least at first, in accepting and living a red pill life free from the pretty lies we were told and used to tell ourselves?
I started on this path when a girl broke my heart. I discovered game a few months after that, but haven't really gotten into it until recently, where it's damned near consumed my life. It's come to a point where I can barely talk to a girl like a normal human being, it's always trying to DHV this and subtly neg that. I feel like-and undoubtably come off as-a try hard, though I did have some initial success with a few hookups and plenty of regular sex with girls who rated anywhere from 6-7.
Recently I moved back to my family home after 9 months abroad at university, confident in my ability to at least get some regular sex. It's been around a month and I've been met with failure at every turn. Looks like it is much easier to get laid in college than in real life, even at house parties.
The failures wounded my ego pretty savagely. The girl who put me on this path came back into my life, throwing herself shamelessly at a close friend of mine. Other girls I was trying to game attached themselves to another close male friend who doesn't even want them around him.
With these failures I got down on myself, hard. This, combined with the extreme nihilism and existential anxiety that came from the death of my father a couple months ago, has created this strange downward spiral in which I can't seem to break out of.
All of the things I used to want-love, companionship, a nice, responsible life-none of them seem realistic or mean anything anymore now that I've been reading red pill blogs like CH and roosh's blogs. Everything I want now-hedonism, philandering, a life lived for yourself-seems equally pointless. When I die and things are fading to black, I don't think a high notch count is going to give me much comfort.
Has anyone else had these problems, or is it just the sting of rejection early in my game combine with the psychological blow of losing my father that is doing this to me?

[esperar]

This will pass. Just enjoy yourself as much as possible and remind yourself that women are worthless and that when they reject you, it's not a big deal.

[WesternCancer]

When you die would you rather have lived a full life on your terms or would you rather live for the approval of others by blindly following societies standard path.

[Veloce]

(07-14-2012 05:39 PM)theycallmebob Wrote:  

Warning: verbose.
Has anyone else had trouble, at least at first, in accepting and living a red pill life free from the pretty lies we were told and used to tell ourselves?
I started on this path when a girl broke my heart. I discovered game a few months after that, but haven't really gotten into it until recently, where it's damned near consumed my life. It's come to a point where I can barely talk to a girl like a normal human being, it's always trying to DHV this and subtly neg that. I feel like-and undoubtably come off as-a try hard, though I did have some initial success with a few hookups and plenty of regular sex with girls who rated anywhere from 6-7.
Recently I moved back to my family home after 9 months abroad at university, confident in my ability to at least get some regular sex. It's been around a month and I've been met with failure at every turn. Looks like it is much easier to get laid in college than in real life, even at house parties.
The failures wounded my ego pretty savagely. The girl who put me on this path came back into my life, throwing herself shamelessly at a close friend of mine. Other girls I was trying to game attached themselves to another close male friend who doesn't even want them around him.
With these failures I got down on myself, hard. This, combined with the extreme nihilism and existential anxiety that came from the death of my father a couple months ago, has created this strange downward spiral in which I can't seem to break out of.
All of the things I used to want-love, companionship, a nice, responsible life-none of them seem realistic or mean anything anymore now that I've been reading red pill blogs like CH and roosh's blogs. Everything I want now-hedonism, philandering, a life lived for yourself-seems equally pointless. When I die and things are fading to black, I don't think a high notch count is going to give me much comfort.
Has anyone else had these problems, or is it just the sting of rejection early in my game combine with the psychological blow of losing my father that is doing this to me?

It sounds like you're experiencing some pretty deep despair and unhappiness. And that's okay. It's part of life.

I've been through this journey. It took a couple years. I'm still learning, but I think I can safely say I have no false perceptions of women. The red pill has run its course.

Girls will not bring you happiness. Not in the form of a relationship, nor in the form of the playboy lifestyle. Not in any capacity whatsoever. Women are a mere garnish in our lives. They are there to look pretty and enhance things to varying degrees. When they fail that simple task, it's only a matter of replacing them. You can keep them as a companion, but only at arm's length. You can allow them to nurture you, and you should accept that, but they will not always be nurturing. Some not at all.

Without conflict, there is no growth. You witness your apathetic friends fighting off women while you pine for your own attention. This is growth. Embrace it.

If you're interested in deep, meaningful happiness and bliss, look into meditation and Buddhist studies.

The red pill exists to show men the Truth. The transition phase hurts. Inside, you yearn for the golden girl that is different from the rest. Red pill tells you she doesn't exist. You must accept this. Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed. Shed your naivety that would allow you to believe that you can trust another human being with your happiness, let alone a woman. Assume all women are whores. Occasionally you come across one that isn't, and she treats you well. Embrace that too, but don't get your hopes up or treat her like the golden girl. Treat her like a whore and she'll continue to treat you well.

You don't have to like it, but hopefully you accept it.

[theycallmebob]

(07-14-2012 05:44 PM)esperar Wrote:  

This will pass. Just enjoy yourself as much as possible and remind yourself that women are worthless and that when they reject you, it's not a big deal.

That's what's hard to swallow, I think, and also my biggest obstacle in getting back into the swing of things. To know I'll never even want to experience the love I felt towards girls in the past and the happiness that came with it is difficult.
Yet, I know this is because of my scarcity mindset. I subconsciously believe that I don't deserve women's love and so when I get it I put it on a pedestal. Letting go of this will improve my life beyond measure, and yet I find it incredibly difficult to do so.

(07-14-2012 05:52 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

When you die would you rather have lived a full life on your terms or would you rather live for the approval of others by blindly following societies standard path.

The second option, definitely. I've dropped out of college and will be tending bars for a living until I get the online businesses that I'm working on off the ground and can support my international travels indefinitely, similarly to Roosh.
Even so, it's still hard to move past the existential angst and myopia. The weight of my past expectations and hopes of life are dragging me down, and I need some way to fully excise them.

[theycallmebob]

(07-14-2012 06:06 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

It sounds like you're experiencing some pretty deep despair and unhappiness. And that's okay. It's part of life.

I've been through this journey. It took a couple years. I'm still learning, but I think I can safely say I have no false perceptions of women. The red pill has run its course.

Girls will not bring you happiness. Not in the form of a relationship, nor in the form of the playboy lifestyle. Not in any capacity whatsoever. Women are a mere garnish in our lives. They are there to look pretty and enhance things to varying degrees. When they fail that simple task, it's only a matter of replacing them. You can keep them as a companion, but only at arm's length. You can allow them to nurture you, and you should accept that, but they will not always be nurturing. Some not at all.

Without conflict, there is no growth. You witness your apathetic friends fighting off women while you pine for your own attention. This is growth. Embrace it.

If you're interested in deep, meaningful happiness and bliss, look into meditation and Buddhist studies.

The red pill exists to show men the Truth. The transition phase hurts. Inside, you yearn for the golden girl that is different from the rest. Red pill tells you she doesn't exist. You must accept this. Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed. Shed your naivety that would allow you to believe that you can trust another human being with your happiness, let alone a woman. Assume all women are whores. Occasionally you come across one that isn't, and she treats you well. Embrace that too, but don't get your hopes up or treat her like the golden girl. Treat her like a whore and she'll continue to treat you well.

You don't have to like it, but hopefully you accept it.

You're right. Despair and unhappiness are exactly what I'm feeling.
Maybe before I even try gaming women on the regular, I should focus on being able to self-regulate my own happiness and contentedness with life. I'm young, I have plenty of time to learn how to do both.

[esperar]

(07-14-2012 06:07 PM)theycallmebob Wrote:  

(07-14-2012 05:44 PM)esperar Wrote:  

This will pass. Just enjoy yourself as much as possible and remind yourself that women are worthless and that when they reject you, it's not a big deal.

That's what's hard to swallow, I think, and also my biggest obstacle in getting back into the swing of things. To know I'll never even want to experience the love I felt towards girls in the past and the happiness that came with it is difficult.
Yet, I know this is because of my scarcity mindset. I subconsciously believe that I don't deserve women's love and so when I get it I put it on a pedestal. Letting go of this will improve my life beyond measure, and yet I find it incredibly difficult to do so.

I also can not feel love towards women anymore like I used to, but I'm a lot happier for it over all. Women should not be seen as important to your happiness, they are to be used a place to stick your dick in and nothing more.

Get this bullshit idea out of your head that you don't deserve women's love. They don't offer love anyway, they offer a wet hole to stick it in and nothing more, and if you think of them as anything more, they will kill you emotionally and run you in to the ground.

[WestCoast]

Yeeeesh!

Women are not worthless bro! I love them to death!

Just need to realize what life is about. Having fun and being happy with yourself. The issue is that many people don't realize how much work it takes to be happy with your own life. Mine still needs a lot of improvement. Still go through dry spells, sad times happy times etc.

The secret to "game" is stop worrying and complaining and start doing, take some risks. Live your own life. Don't care about what other people think of you.

I still slip up time and again but its okay, just shows i am still a human being.

This is why I don't run "game" that is incongruent with who i want to be. I don't call women cunts, i don't try to "punish" them I don't do any of this "asshole game" or whatever. But i certainly don't pedestalize them. If a girl doesn't like my personality oh well. But she knows from hello that I want to have sex with her.

[Veloce]

(07-14-2012 06:14 PM)theycallmebob Wrote:  

(07-14-2012 06:06 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

It sounds like you're experiencing some pretty deep despair and unhappiness. And that's okay. It's part of life.

I've been through this journey. It took a couple years. I'm still learning, but I think I can safely say I have no false perceptions of women. The red pill has run its course.

Girls will not bring you happiness. Not in the form of a relationship, nor in the form of the playboy lifestyle. Not in any capacity whatsoever. Women are a mere garnish in our lives. They are there to look pretty and enhance things to varying degrees. When they fail that simple task, it's only a matter of replacing them. You can keep them as a companion, but only at arm's length. You can allow them to nurture you, and you should accept that, but they will not always be nurturing. Some not at all.

Without conflict, there is no growth. You witness your apathetic friends fighting off women while you pine for your own attention. This is growth. Embrace it.

If you're interested in deep, meaningful happiness and bliss, look into meditation and Buddhist studies.

The red pill exists to show men the Truth. The transition phase hurts. Inside, you yearn for the golden girl that is different from the rest. Red pill tells you she doesn't exist. You must accept this. Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed. Shed your naivety that would allow you to believe that you can trust another human being with your happiness, let alone a woman. Assume all women are whores. Occasionally you come across one that isn't, and she treats you well. Embrace that too, but don't get your hopes up or treat her like the golden girl. Treat her like a whore and she'll continue to treat you well.

You don't have to like it, but hopefully you accept it.

You're right. Despair and unhappiness are exactly what I'm feeling.
Maybe before I even try gaming women on the regular, I should focus on being able to self-regulate my own happiness and contentedness with life. I'm young, I have plenty of time to learn how to do both.

You've got it. A couple more tidbits I've learned on the way:

In your moments of despair, don't try to anesthetize it. Let it run its course. Careful with alcohol and drugs; they're there for recreation, not anesthetization. There is a light at the end, you have to trust that one day you wake up and you just laugh at everything.

There is a whole fuckton of literature out there on what makes a happy life. Find what works for you. I recommend skipping the modern Tony Robbins shit (although he's not as bad as everyone makes him out to be) Skip Power of Now. Look to the older stuff, like Herman Hesse (check out Siddhartha and Knulp) and Erich Fromm (Art of Loving, Heart of Man, To Have or To Be) While you read these books and continue your red pill inoculation, continue interacting with women, and really look at them in a different light. Watch your attitude and your interactions with them transition. Apply what you read to your immediate life. Report back!

[XXL]

no it's just your world is not upside down and you coming up with different rationalizations so that your world can make sense.

if you have been fucked over by real life rejections you can realize that you're not so cool, accept where you stand and keep going forward, step by step, appreciating little wins here and there. now you've come to understand that maybe game is not about girls but about you. maybe your life and what you want is more important than a girl and her approval/rejection. become happy dude and girls will want to be with you .

and most importantly, that big pimp self image.. get over it. it will kill your game. just forget it. treat it as a skill like playing keyboard or something.

[AntiTrace]

"what you can not see you imagine, what you imagine is far worse than what actually exists"

A lot of people seem to get into the game an imagine themselves banging 9's and 10's left and right in a short amount of time. Same night lays are thought to eventually become the standard. Bar room blowjobs and swooping hot girls right from underneath their boyfriends eyes are the goals by which you assess your success.

Game is not that.

9s and 10s are rare. Bathroom swoops are rare. Chicks that are truely in love with their boyfriends are almost impossible to pull.

Its all about reality. The red pill has a lot of false beliefs in itself.

Set your goals based upon your own reality, not by what others tell you (especially on the internet). Four new women a year and you will have already dashed the average males numbers in a matter of years.

Don't get caught up in the notch count.
Don't get caught up in the alpha/beta discussion.
Don't get caught up in the day game vs. night game deal.

Your not a failure for not approaching that cute chick in the grocery store. Your not a failure for getting approach anxiety and backing off. Your not a failure for not pulling a number. Your not failure for not pulling a SNL.

Your only a failure if you deny yourself what you want and live on the terms of someone else.

[Duke Castile]

If you were a 100 lb overweight fat guy who lived a sedentary life and started working out would you expect to be super fit in a year?

That's unrealistic.

So is just getting into "game" and then banging 9s regularly. This takes work brother and constant vigilance.

Game and swagger are muscles that atrophy.

What you are struggling with is "inner game" and to me that really just means developing the peace that comes with believing in yourself and having confidence. True confidence.

Right now you are looking at the guy or friend next to you and seeing what they have. But that does not mean you have "less". Learn from the guy next to you. If he has game and you see something that works, try it out. If the guy next to you doesn't have game, learn by not doing what he does.

Your self worth shouldn't be tied to how women view you, but it does help gain confidence when you have successful interactions.

You are going through a hard time, I can tell. But that nilhistic view will subside and you will get your lust for life back. It takes time and effort. I told another guy on another thread the same thing, you have to get productive even when it means dragging yourself out of the bed, work on your body with health and fitness, work on your social life with women and friends, work on your professional life with money.

Keep putting one foot in front of the other, it will pan out.

[docinsc]

(07-14-2012 06:06 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

(07-14-2012 05:39 PM)theycallmebob Wrote:  

Warning: verbose.
Has anyone else had trouble, at least at first, in accepting and living a red pill life free from the pretty lies we were told and used to tell ourselves?
I started on this path when a girl broke my heart. I discovered game a few months after that, but haven't really gotten into it until recently, where it's damned near consumed my life. It's come to a point where I can barely talk to a girl like a normal human being, it's always trying to DHV this and subtly neg that. I feel like-and undoubtably come off as-a try hard, though I did have some initial success with a few hookups and plenty of regular sex with girls who rated anywhere from 6-7.
Recently I moved back to my family home after 9 months abroad at university, confident in my ability to at least get some regular sex. It's been around a month and I've been met with failure at every turn. Looks like it is much easier to get laid in college than in real life, even at house parties.
The failures wounded my ego pretty savagely. The girl who put me on this path came back into my life, throwing herself shamelessly at a close friend of mine. Other girls I was trying to game attached themselves to another close male friend who doesn't even want them around him.
With these failures I got down on myself, hard. This, combined with the extreme nihilism and existential anxiety that came from the death of my father a couple months ago, has created this strange downward spiral in which I can't seem to break out of.
All of the things I used to want-love, companionship, a nice, responsible life-none of them seem realistic or mean anything anymore now that I've been reading red pill blogs like CH and roosh's blogs. Everything I want now-hedonism, philandering, a life lived for yourself-seems equally pointless. When I die and things are fading to black, I don't think a high notch count is going to give me much comfort.
Has anyone else had these problems, or is it just the sting of rejection early in my game combine with the psychological blow of losing my father that is doing this to me?

It sounds like you're experiencing some pretty deep despair and unhappiness. And that's okay. It's part of life.

I've been through this journey. It took a couple years. I'm still learning, but I think I can safely say I have no false perceptions of women. The red pill has run its course.

Girls will not bring you happiness. Not in the form of a relationship, nor in the form of the playboy lifestyle. Not in any capacity whatsoever. Women are a mere garnish in our lives. They are there to look pretty and enhance things to varying degrees. When they fail that simple task, it's only a matter of replacing them. You can keep them as a companion, but only at arm's length. You can allow them to nurture you, and you should accept that, but they will not always be nurturing. Some not at all.

Without conflict, there is no growth. You witness your apathetic friends fighting off women while you pine for your own attention. This is growth. Embrace it.

If you're interested in deep, meaningful happiness and bliss, look into meditation and Buddhist studies.

The red pill exists to show men the Truth. The transition phase hurts. Inside, you yearn for the golden girl that is different from the rest. Red pill tells you she doesn't exist. You must accept this. Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed. Shed your naivety that would allow you to believe that you can trust another human being with your happiness, let alone a woman. Assume all women are whores. Occasionally you come across one that isn't, and she treats you well. Embrace that too, but don't get your hopes up or treat her like the golden girl. Treat her like a whore and she'll continue to treat you well.

You don't have to like it, but hopefully you accept it.

AMEN TO THAT!!!!!