[defguy]

I have been looking into virtual employers to hide some gaps in my resume, mostly from when I started my own business. I wont go into details as to whether or not using a virtual employer or any kind of "alibi service" is moral or ethical. But I want to know if anyone on this forum has used a virtual employer and can share his experience? Or give a recommendation to point me in the right direction.

In 2005 this service was big, modelled after similar services in Europe where alibi services and cheating on resume/other things are not as taboo as the US. Most have disappeared such as the biggest one alibihq.com. Here are a few I have found online:

fakeyourjob.com
fakejobreferences.net
thereferencestore.com
careerexcuse.com

Almost all of these sites have made tons of headlines around 2004-2006 however oddly there is little to no feedback positive or negative on any of these sites.Alibinetwork.com seems to take it to a new level offering all sorts of alibi services but specializing in affairs but customer service has set off tons of red flags.

Anyone know of any overseas job reference services? I think claiming a job on your resume that is/was "location independent" and employer is overseas will add another layer of protection that will make it even harder for HR or the outsourced background check service based in India from discovering this ruse, not to mention your location independent "work experience" makes you stand out even more.

[Thomas the Rhymer]

(07-08-2012 02:08 AM)defguy Wrote:  

I have been looking into virtual employers to hide some gaps in my resume, mostly from when I started my own business.

You'd rather lie about being employed rather than state you were attempting your own business? Where you doing something illegal?

What's wrong with just saying '2010 to 2012 - business owner - started a business to provide x service, unfortunately was unable to maintain itself in the current down economy'. Some employers will be impressed that you tried to run your own business, even if it ended in failure (The ones that aren't impressed are not worth working for anyway).

I still maintain that if you're doing the whole jobhunting thing right then the resume becomes increasingly irrelevant. I haven't yet received one job because of my resume - I've always ended up getting a job either through people I knew or through random meetings with people in my industry. The resume is overrated, so why go through the effort of lying on it?

Regardless, best of luck on your jobhunt.

[Goldin Boy]

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I have been looking into virtual employers to hide some gaps in my resume, mostly from when I started my own business. I wont go into details as to whether or not using a virtual employer or any kind of "alibi service" is moral or ethical. But I want to know if anyone on this forum has used a virtual employer and can share his experience? Or give a recommendation to point me in the right direction.

I got into the fake resumes after I read a study about white ex-cons get more job offers than black with equal qualifications with no record. Being Black man I had to take drastic measures:

I used the reference store from 2010-2012 and careerexcuse from 2008-2011.

Both provide you with a website and a number for background checks. But careerexcuse jacked their monthly fee frm 30 to approx 60 which sucks b/c their cust serv is abysmal. The chat feature on the site doesn't work and the phone line only seems to be open M-F frm 9-10:30 EST, and they don't return voice msgs. I suspect only 1 person works there.

Reference store, imo, is the better bet. The give you a local ph # and a ok-looking website(never had a site for careerexcuse). I fooled HR reps at several major companies(HSBC, Enterprise Rent-a-car). Cust serv is much better. You get a case-worker and his e-mail and ph#(they in Wyoming). The reference letter adds to the authenticity.



Here's my system:

1) Get a spoofcard after you set up the site and call the number posing as a HR rep to get name, rank, and social # to if it's ok. If not call them and tell them what happened.

2) Make a good W-2 form, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=W-2+software , the software is hella cheap and they sell the official paper. Sometimes HR asks for it.

3) For more info I'd also search for "fake resume" guide and get it. You need every edge in the job market. I've emailed the author and gotten good tips from him.

4) Get your resume game up!. Search online for "guerilla resumes" and make yours look like that with the images and quotes. I've been complimented by HR reps and Mgrs mid-interview re: my resume.

5) Don't discuss your faking with friends. They will always disapprove. Why? Read the intro to the 48 Laws of Power. They don't want you to do something that potentially gives you an edge over them.

If you sign up with alibi, can you let us know how it pans out? Good luck.

[defguy]

@ Goldin
Awesome advice on the Guerilla resume's looks legit! Learning how the whole HR hiring process REALLY works is a lot like learning game and swallowing that red pill for the first time. That ebook your talking about "fake resume" is a game changer, and a steal at its price, he reveals many of the best kept secrets of the HR community. I even read Cynthia Shapirp's 2 books "Corporate Confidential" and "44 insider secrets" on his recommendation. I was equally blown away by her revelations.

@ Thomas
Nothing illegal, just realize from experience and the research Ive done that there are a lot more biases in the process than one would assume. Its easy for anyone to make excuses and bs but the truth without divulging details is that my work history and positions set off many red flags for most HR executives. HR executives are looking for what is called "the perfect story" even if its not realistic (excuses I know). Cynthia Shapiro explains it very well in her book "44 insider secrets" HR eliminates and screens out candidates by anything that could cause a problem. I dont want questionable work positions, job history and my entreprenural streak to wrongfully eliminate me from candidacy.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

First time I've ever heard about this, but I would love to use it to trick one of those idiot landlords who will pass over an honest, peaceful renter just because he doesn't have XYZ references.

[defguy]

Many do offer that service, one of the easiest to do as well so they offer it cheap. Alibi Network specializes in doctors notes and funerals to get away from work, unethical, probably but ill say this: at my current job ill bend over backwards regularly such as staying after work without pay to help out or coming in at the last minute just for 2 hrs when I am supposed to be off so that my manager can impress the regional director but I cant even get a 2 day weekend even though its almost no effort on my managers part. Though I havent used Alibi Network truth is Id much rather fake a funeral or severe illness than threaten to quit just to get 2 days off in a row.

[Goldin Boy]

Gonna check out the Shapiro books now, I'm interested in what she has to say.

Glad to find other ppl who get this stuff. Ever since I took the red-pill I find myself having contempt for ppl who play by the rules and get the shaft daily. Interviews are elimination-style, they're looking for reasons to not hire you.

All my gaming the job market works b/c HR is primarily a woman-dominated field. They are horrible judges of character. I stand up straight, make strong eye-contact, talk slow with pauses and don't fidget. They but it everytime. Woman's intuition=biggest lie evar. I struggle in interviews with guys, tbh.

[Tex Pro]

I'm giving this thread a bump because I am interested in learning more about these virtual employers/references.

Are there any other sites for this other than the ones mentioned by the OP? Any other tips?

Thanks.

[Parlay44]

And of course there is a related Seinfeld episode

[Goldin Boy]

(12-11-2012 11:29 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

I'm giving this thread a bump because I am interested in learning more about these virtual employers/references.

Are there any other sites for this other than the ones mentioned by the OP? Any other tips?

Thanks.

That list is pretty much it right now. Companies come and go, so it's best to do a google search every few weeks. I recommend careerexcuse, they've improved the websites they build. Turn-over is the weakness of the virtual employment market.

Alternatively you can get a prepaid phone, give it to a friend who can act and give him like $25 per call he takes. He records a professional sounding voicemail and the area code is the city where the "job" was. I would go this but my friends, as much as they chill, aren't reliable for shit like this.

Other tips? Um in the interview talk at length about specific stories that happened at the fake places. Why? The hiring mgr has never hear of Jimbo's Car Wash, make it real to him. Use an address searchable via google maps. I only use guys that accept PayPal due to dispute process if he doesn't deliver. Moneygram's a no-no.

Aside from that: Fake Resume guide is like guerilla warfare tactics for the job market.

[Tex Pro]

(12-16-2012 10:51 PM)Goldin Boy Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 11:29 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

I'm giving this thread a bump because I am interested in learning more about these virtual employers/references.

Are there any other sites for this other than the ones mentioned by the OP? Any other tips?

Thanks.

That list is pretty much it right now. Companies come and go, so it's best to do a google search every few weeks. I recommend careerexcuse, they've improved the websites they build. Turn-over is the weakness of the virtual employment market.

Alternatively you can get a prepaid phone, give it to a friend who can act and give him like $25 per call he takes. He records a professional sounding voicemail and the area code is the city where the "job" was. I would go this but my friends, as much as they chill, aren't reliable for shit like this.

Other tips? Um in the interview talk at length about specific stories that happened at the fake places. Why? The hiring mgr has never hear of Jimbo's Car Wash, make it real to him. Use an address searchable via google maps. I only use guys that accept PayPal due to dispute process if he doesn't deliver. Moneygram's a no-no.

Aside from that: Fake Resume guide is like guerilla warfare tactics for the job market.

Thanks.

[bacon]

Cynthia Shapiro "44 insider secrets"

[bacon]

ive had friends pose as former bosses in the past. it worked but you need to get a reliable friend and someone who is an effective bullshiter.