[chochemonger1]

My last 3 years traveling, I have made a concerted effort to try 2nd tier cities and for the most part, just like Roosh, I have been rewarded for it. The mix of exotic appeal, lack of foreigners and sex tourism, DHV, etc.all have made it easier to do well, with the girls, in the smaller or lesser known cities. It was nice to know that many decent sized cities have not not been ruined ala, Riga, Prague, Medellin.
An exception was Belo Horizonte. It was the first city I lived in Brazil and looking back it was the only 2nd tier city,where I didn't do that well with the girls, in this 3 year time period. Granted, my portuguese wasnt at a high level then and I couldn't find a swanky pad in the best part of the city, that could be had for 2 months or less. I can count with my 2 hands the amount of travelers(foreigners) I saw during my stay there. The two I can most strongly recall, were two Americans I saw on separate occasions, who were calling out for help after being robbed.
So with this in mind, have any of you forum members been to a 2nd tier city where you didn't feel that welcome or that would benefit from having an influx of foreigners?To me,it wouldnt be such a bad thing to have some horny groups of italians and drunk english stag partiers liven up BH and get the women out of their cocoons. Most girls I met there had not even been to Rio. There is nothing those typical destroyers of cities could ruin.
Most people in 2nd or 3rd tier cities have an inferiority complex,
relative to the bigger cities or capital. This often makes them grateful that foreigners would even bother to come. So after the typical why are you here question, they generally tend to be warmer and friendlier. But as I found out,there are a few 2nd tier cities where the people feel that,where they are is the best place to be in the country and thus could give a flying fuck, about a foreign man coming to visit. Cuenca, Ecuador is another example of this phenomenon. Cuencanos and Cuencano girls believe themselves to be the best the country has to offer and the girl's attitudes towards foreigners matches that.

[RawGod]

I really recommend Osaka, Japan.

It's a huge city that is world class in many ways and only "second tier" in relation to one of the world's top cities, Tokyo.

And living in Osaka, you get three cities for the price of one. Kyoto and Kobe are less than an hour away by train. In fact, it's really a single megacity with a population of almost 20 million. That's a lot of girls. Hot, Japanese girls.

The number of foreigners here is much lower than in Tokyo, so you still have some exotic value. Great, great place to set up.

[WireySpindell]

Hey man, you mentioned this in my thread, regarding Asia. One second tier city I've been to was Porto Alegre Brazil. It's in the south, so it's a nicer area. It doesn't get many foreigners, so I was constantly asked "Why did you come here?!" I don't think I saw a foreigner in the 5 weeks I was there, lol. People were awesome, and the girls were all very receptive. Awesome times overall.

@RawGod: How many girls speak english in Osaka? How do living expenses compare to Tokyo?

[AlphaTravel]

I've never found it necessary to go to second tier cities for women. I tend to visit places that are used to foreigners and tourists and it's never been a problem. I did just fine in Rio and SP so I didn't consider exploring more off the beaten track places in Brazil. Same with any other country, my last trip was Thailand and I spent nearly the whole time in BKK which has been over run with tourists and deviants for about 40 years didn't cause me any problems when it came to women.

[chochemonger1]

(07-05-2012 09:12 AM)WireySpindell Wrote:  

Hey man, you mentioned this in my thread, regarding Asia. One second tier city I've been to was Porto Alegre Brazil. It's in the south, so it's a nicer area. It doesn't get many foreigners, so I was constantly asked "Why did you come here?!" I don't think I saw a foreigner in the 5 weeks I was there, lol. People were awesome, and the girls were all very receptive. Awesome times overall.

@RawGod: How many girls speak english in Osaka? How do living expenses compare to Tokyo?

Don't get me wrong. People in Belo Horizonte were friendly and I had a decent time. But when it came to closing with girls, it was pretty hard and took a lot of work. They seemed a bit sheltered and closed off from the rest of the world. They were very aware that the city and the state of Minas Gerais produce some of the hottest girls in Brazil. This was not case in other 2nd tier cities in Brazil, that I lived in like Joao Pessoa, Natal and Brasilia. Wirey, how difficult were the girls to bang in Porto Alegre? Did you have much success? From seeing Brazilian movies that have been filmed there, it seems like it has potential.

[chochemonger1]

(07-05-2012 09:29 AM)AlphaTravel Wrote:  

I've never found it necessary to go to second tier cities for women. I tend to visit places that are used to foreigners and tourists and it's never been a problem. I did just fine in Rio and SP so I didn't consider exploring more off the beaten track places in Brazil. Same with any other country, my last trip was Thailand and I spent nearly the whole time in BKK which has been over run with tourists and deviants for about 40 years didn't cause me any problems when it came to women.

I have done fine in first tier cities. But like Roosh said, I like feeling like a unique little snowflake and getting even more special attention from the ladies in 2nd tier cities.

[The Fantasist]

This does not answer the question but a quick second tier story:

I always used to visit Moscow,liked it and thought that it was representative of Russia and it's people,then a couple of years back I took a 12 hour train journey East to a Ural second/third tier city on a whim,I literately closed my eyes and pointed at the map of European Russia. Arriving it was as though I had stepped through a secret door like in a fairytale and appeared in another world. Gone was the big city coldness ( I only realised Muscovite's were cold in comparison when I visited this town ),people smiled inquisitively,young women shyly said "hello" and giggled as I walked past. I went into a bank to change money and the hot teller flirted with me,wanted to know all about me,I number closed. I number closed my hotel receptionist when I checked in. I number closed the woman serving in the hotel bar when I went in for a morning coffee to warm me up. This was all within an hour or two of arriving in the town. I went to a shopping centre where a crowd of girls and their not too happy boyfriends gathered around me wanting to know who I was and why I was there,throwing questions at me,giggling at my lame jokes. I took numbers and made mental notes. It was a magical experience. The next 3 days were spent going on dates,meeting lots of girls and eventually on my last evening smashing a hot young beauty that was pretty close to my ideal. I formulated game ideas and theories in those days that I now use as the bedrock of my game in Russia. Were all second tier towns like this? On my last night I had three women wanting to come to see me off at the railway station which was a complicated thing to sort out logistically. I lay on my bunk on the train ride back to Moscow with a massive grin on my face not quite believing how much fun I had had and how different it was from Moscow. Second tier was the future for me in Russia.

When I returned to Moscow the following morning I despised the city and it's inhabitants. Gone were the friendly faces and smiling women. The truth is that the pleasure of being in the second tier city was in large part being the centre of attention,that inner attention whore getting fed on the advances of young women who physically were everything I craved. In Moscow I was just another foreigner. I'm not sure what to make of that craving of attention,if it somehow is an insecurity within me that I never knew I had until then or if it is a natural need of any man more or less and we all want to be the guy on the stage under the spotlight?

Anyway in Russia it has to be second tier.

[durangotang]

Vorkuta, what city?

[AlphaTravel]

I can see why you liked it Vorkuta. I spent a bit of time in random, small towns and cities, in Peru (I had a car and was driving around) and got some crazy attention. Like you mention girls giggling and saying hello in the street, actually they usually started out by looking shocked and pointing at me and saying "gringo" as they'd obviously not seen many in the town / at all. People acted like they'd just spotted a celebrity waving at me in the street and people working in shops got nervous serving me as they weren't used to a white person. It was interesting but unfortunately most of the girls in Peruvian small towns are not very attractive so not worth taking advantage of. A lot of the places I went to may have been dangerous as friendly locals would always warn me and say it wasn't safe for a gringo so I didn't want to push things by hitting on the locals in these small towns.

[chochemonger1]

(07-05-2012 02:52 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

This does not answer the question but a quick second tier story:

I always used to visit Moscow,liked it and thought that it was representative of Russia and it's people,then a couple of years back I took a 12 hour train journey East to a Ural second/third tier city on a whim,I literately closed my eyes and pointed at the map of European Russia. Arriving it was as though I had stepped through a secret door like in a fairytale and appeared in another world. Gone was the big city coldness ( I only realised Muscovite's were cold in comparison when I visited this town ),people smiled inquisitively,young women shyly said "hello" and giggled as I walked past. I went into a bank to change money and the hot teller flirted with me,wanted to know all about me,I number closed. I number closed my hotel receptionist when I checked in. I number closed the woman serving in the hotel bar when I went in for a morning coffee to warm me up. This was all within an hour or two of arriving in the town. I went to a shopping centre where a crowd of girls and their not too happy boyfriends gathered around me wanting to know who I was and why I was there,throwing questions at me,giggling at my lame jokes. I took numbers and made mental notes. It was a magical experience. The next 3 days were spent going on dates,meeting lots of girls and eventually on my last evening smashing a hot young beauty that was pretty close to my ideal. I formulated game ideas and theories in those days that I now use as the bedrock of my game in Russia. Were all second tier towns like this? On my last night I had three women wanting to come to see me off at the railway station which was a complicated thing to sort out logistically. I lay on my bunk on the train ride back to Moscow with a massive grin on my face not quite believing how much fun I had had and how different it was from Moscow. Second tier was the future for me in Russia.

When I returned to Moscow the following morning I despised the city and it's inhabitants. Gone were the friendly faces and smiling women. The truth is that the pleasure of being in the second tier city was in large part being the centre of attention,that inner attention whore getting fed on the advances of young women who physically were everything I craved. In Moscow I was just another foreigner. I'm not sure what to make of that craving of attention,if it somehow is an insecurity within me that I never knew I had until then or if it is a natural need of any man more or less and we all want to be the guy on the stage under the spotlight?

Anyway in Russia it has to be second tier.

Yes Vorkuta, in some countries, 2nd or 3rd tier cities create a certain magic for a foreign poon hound, that overwhelm the 1st tier. It is a special feeling and hard to replicate in capitals or touristy cities. I posted this thread just to warn that some 2nd tier cities don't create that magic, so that forum members avoid them.

[WireySpindell]

(07-05-2012 12:56 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 09:12 AM)WireySpindell Wrote:  

Hey man, you mentioned this in my thread, regarding Asia. One second tier city I've been to was Porto Alegre Brazil. It's in the south, so it's a nicer area. It doesn't get many foreigners, so I was constantly asked "Why did you come here?!" I don't think I saw a foreigner in the 5 weeks I was there, lol. People were awesome, and the girls were all very receptive. Awesome times overall.

@RawGod: How many girls speak english in Osaka? How do living expenses compare to Tokyo?

Don't get me wrong. People in Belo Horizonte were friendly and I had a decent time. But when it came to closing with girls, it was pretty hard and took a lot of work. They seemed a bit sheltered and closed off from the rest of the world. They were very aware that the city and the state of Minas Gerais produce some of the hottest girls in Brazil. This was not case in other 2nd tier cities in Brazil, that I lived in like Joao Pessoa, Natal and Brasilia. Wirey, how difficult were the girls to bang in Porto Alegre? Did you have much success? From seeing Brazilian movies that have been filmed there, it seems like it has potential.

I found the girls very easy to hook up with. I'd say like North American girls, but generally more direct and less BS (and hotter).

But to be honest, I find girls fairly easy anywhere I go, I don't get a lot of LMR and I generally can tell early if it's going to go anywhere and bail if any alarm bells go off. I've been in the game for 5+ years, and I guess I've developed the solid intuition, and find if you're generally not attached to the hook up and don't care either way, a little token LMR is all you'll get. Then again, my "defeating LMR tactic" is whipping my dick out and putting her hand on it. If she can resist after THAT, god bless her, that's a woman with strong will and I'd probably marry her on the spot.

I'm not saying this to brag, just trying to keep it real and tell you where I'm coming from. Another person might go to PA and have a totally different experience.

[chochemonger1]

(07-06-2012 09:01 AM)WireySpindell Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 12:56 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 09:12 AM)WireySpindell Wrote:  

Hey man, you mentioned this in my thread, regarding Asia. One second tier city I've been to was Porto Alegre Brazil. It's in the south, so it's a nicer area. It doesn't get many foreigners, so I was constantly asked "Why did you come here?!" I don't think I saw a foreigner in the 5 weeks I was there, lol. People were awesome, and the girls were all very receptive. Awesome times overall.

@RawGod: How many girls speak english in Osaka? How do living expenses compare to Tokyo?

Don't get me wrong. People in Belo Horizonte were friendly and I had a decent time. But when it came to closing with girls, it was pretty hard and took a lot of work. They seemed a bit sheltered and closed off from the rest of the world. They were very aware that the city and the state of Minas Gerais produce some of the hottest girls in Brazil. This was not case in other 2nd tier cities in Brazil, that I lived in like Joao Pessoa, Natal and Brasilia. Wirey, how difficult were the girls to bang in Porto Alegre? Did you have much success? From seeing Brazilian movies that have been filmed there, it seems like it has potential.

I found the girls very easy to hook up with. I'd say like North American girls, but generally more direct and less BS (and hotter).

But to be honest, I find girls fairly easy anywhere I go, I don't get a lot of LMR and I generally can tell early if it's going to go anywhere and bail if any alarm bells go off. I've been in the game for 5+ years, and I guess I've developed the solid intuition, and find if you're generally not attached to the hook up and don't care either way, a little token LMR is all you'll get. Then again, my "defeating LMR tactic" is whipping my dick out and putting her hand on it. If she can resist after THAT, god bless her, that's a woman with strong will and I'd probably marry her on the spot.

I'm not saying this to brag, just trying to keep it real and tell you where I'm coming from. Another person might go to PA and have a totally different experience.

Cool, Porto Alegre seems like a place worth checking out. If they are like North American girls, in terms of hooking up, they are definitely easier than the Mineiras in Belo Horizonte. A couple of question if I may Wirey, so we can get an insight into your success in PA:
How are your portuguese skills? How old are you and do you have the classic tall blond look the girls adore in Brazil? How many dates did you need on average to get the bang over there?
With Belo Horizonte girls the average for me was 3 dates. Also, I am a like skinned Latino American so I passed like a native in BH, until they heard my accent in portuguese.

[WireySpindell]

(07-06-2012 11:49 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(07-06-2012 09:01 AM)WireySpindell Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 12:56 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 09:12 AM)WireySpindell Wrote:  

Hey man, you mentioned this in my thread, regarding Asia. One second tier city I've been to was Porto Alegre Brazil. It's in the south, so it's a nicer area. It doesn't get many foreigners, so I was constantly asked "Why did you come here?!" I don't think I saw a foreigner in the 5 weeks I was there, lol. People were awesome, and the girls were all very receptive. Awesome times overall.

@RawGod: How many girls speak english in Osaka? How do living expenses compare to Tokyo?

Don't get me wrong. People in Belo Horizonte were friendly and I had a decent time. But when it came to closing with girls, it was pretty hard and took a lot of work. They seemed a bit sheltered and closed off from the rest of the world. They were very aware that the city and the state of Minas Gerais produce some of the hottest girls in Brazil. This was not case in other 2nd tier cities in Brazil, that I lived in like Joao Pessoa, Natal and Brasilia. Wirey, how difficult were the girls to bang in Porto Alegre? Did you have much success? From seeing Brazilian movies that have been filmed there, it seems like it has potential.

I found the girls very easy to hook up with. I'd say like North American girls, but generally more direct and less BS (and hotter).

But to be honest, I find girls fairly easy anywhere I go, I don't get a lot of LMR and I generally can tell early if it's going to go anywhere and bail if any alarm bells go off. I've been in the game for 5+ years, and I guess I've developed the solid intuition, and find if you're generally not attached to the hook up and don't care either way, a little token LMR is all you'll get. Then again, my "defeating LMR tactic" is whipping my dick out and putting her hand on it. If she can resist after THAT, god bless her, that's a woman with strong will and I'd probably marry her on the spot.

I'm not saying this to brag, just trying to keep it real and tell you where I'm coming from. Another person might go to PA and have a totally different experience.

Cool, Porto Alegre seems like a place worth checking out. If they are like North American girls, in terms of hooking up, they are definitely easier than the Mineiras in Belo Horizonte. A couple of question if I may Wirey, so we can get an insight into your success in PA:
How are your portuguese skills? How old are you and do you have the classic tall blond look the girls adore in Brazil? How many dates did you need on average to get the bang over there?
With Belo Horizonte girls the average for me was 3 dates. Also, I am a like skinned Latino American so I passed like a native in BH, until they heard my accent in portuguese.

All right,

1) Portuguese skills are non-existent. So yeah, a lot of girls you're done right off the bat. I remember once in a loud club, getting close with this girl, making out a bit on the dance floor, taking funny pics with her friends camera... then we get somewhere quiet and I figure out she doesn't speak a word of English, lol. But, fI did meet a lot of girl who speak English, at least a few solid groups every time I went out, that's fine by me.

2) I'm blonde, but not tall, like 5'8". Kind of muscular and fit though, I take care of myself. Honestly, the looks/height thing... meh. Girls say they want a guy to look a certain way... but many a time I've competed against a guy who fits that standard (tall, model look), but my game was sharper, and I got the girl. Lost girls to uglier guys in my time too, lol. Mostly doesn't matter, IMO. I've been into RSD for like 5+ years, so I've had that hammered in pretty deep. Whether it's always objectively true 100%, I don't care... it's a belief that pays off for the most part.

3) Dates, lol... my general MO was hit the club, spend an hour or two meeting all the girls there, do a second round to see who I really liked and who seemed receptive, then choosing one and going for the hook up that night. "Hey let's get some food" and then going to my apartment was generally it, girl just needs an excuse so her friends won't judge her, once you get her alone, kiss her and take total responsibility for where things go. 60% of the time, it works EVERYTIME (that's not a real stat, just wanted to quote Anchorman)

But yeah, sometimes there's logistical issues (usually her friends, the trickiest part is allowing her to separate from her friends discreetly). If so, I'd go for a 2nd date, if it's just us two you can bet I'll be kissing her and taking her home, or at least trying my best to do so. I can see 3rd date scenarios coming up, but as a general rule I get physical as soon as possible. The weirdness of moving too soon in no way compares to the weirdness of trying to get physical on the 3rd date out of nowhere, IMO, and it saves you time as well.

[chochemonger1]

(07-06-2012 02:12 PM)WireySpindell Wrote:  

(07-06-2012 11:49 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(07-06-2012 09:01 AM)WireySpindell Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 12:56 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 09:12 AM)WireySpindell Wrote:  

Hey man, you mentioned this in my thread, regarding Asia. One second tier city I've been to was Porto Alegre Brazil. It's in the south, so it's a nicer area. It doesn't get many foreigners, so I was constantly asked "Why did you come here?!" I don't think I saw a foreigner in the 5 weeks I was there, lol. People were awesome, and the girls were all very receptive. Awesome times overall.

@RawGod: How many girls speak english in Osaka? How do living expenses compare to Tokyo?

Don't get me wrong. People in Belo Horizonte were friendly and I had a decent time. But when it came to closing with girls, it was pretty hard and took a lot of work. They seemed a bit sheltered and closed off from the rest of the world. They were very aware that the city and the state of Minas Gerais produce some of the hottest girls in Brazil. This was not case in other 2nd tier cities in Brazil, that I lived in like Joao Pessoa, Natal and Brasilia. Wirey, how difficult were the girls to bang in Porto Alegre? Did you have much success? From seeing Brazilian movies that have been filmed there, it seems like it has potential.

I found the girls very easy to hook up with. I'd say like North American girls, but generally more direct and less BS (and hotter).

But to be honest, I find girls fairly easy anywhere I go, I don't get a lot of LMR and I generally can tell early if it's going to go anywhere and bail if any alarm bells go off. I've been in the game for 5+ years, and I guess I've developed the solid intuition, and find if you're generally not attached to the hook up and don't care either way, a little token LMR is all you'll get. Then again, my "defeating LMR tactic" is whipping my dick out and putting her hand on it. If she can resist after THAT, god bless her, that's a woman with strong will and I'd probably marry her on the spot.

I'm not saying this to brag, just trying to keep it real and tell you where I'm coming from. Another person might go to PA and have a totally different experience.

Cool, Porto Alegre seems like a place worth checking out. If they are like North American girls, in terms of hooking up, they are definitely easier than the Mineiras in Belo Horizonte. A couple of question if I may Wirey, so we can get an insight into your success in PA:
How are your portuguese skills? How old are you and do you have the classic tall blond look the girls adore in Brazil? How many dates did you need on average to get the bang over there?
With Belo Horizonte girls the average for me was 3 dates. Also, I am a like skinned Latino American so I passed like a native in BH, until they heard my accent in portuguese.

All right,

1) Portuguese skills are non-existent. So yeah, a lot of girls you're done right off the bat. I remember once in a loud club, getting close with this girl, making out a bit on the dance floor, taking funny pics with her friends camera... then we get somewhere quiet and I figure out she doesn't speak a word of English, lol. But, fI did meet a lot of girl who speak English, at least a few solid groups every time I went out, that's fine by me.

2) I'm blonde, but not tall, like 5'8". Kind of muscular and fit though, I take care of myself. Honestly, the looks/height thing... meh. Girls say they want a guy to look a certain way... but many a time I've competed against a guy who fits that standard (tall, model look), but my game was sharper, and I got the girl. Lost girls to uglier guys in my time too, lol. Mostly doesn't matter, IMO. I've been into RSD for like 5+ years, so I've had that hammered in pretty deep. Whether it's always objectively true 100%, I don't care... it's a belief that pays off for the most part.

3) Dates, lol... my general MO was hit the club, spend an hour or two meeting all the girls there, do a second round to see who I really liked and who seemed receptive, then choosing one and going for the hook up that night. "Hey let's get some food" and then going to my apartment was generally it, girl just needs an excuse so her friends won't judge her, once you get her alone, kiss her and take total responsibility for where things go. 60% of the time, it works EVERYTIME (that's not a real stat, just wanted to quote Anchorman)

But yeah, sometimes there's logistical issues (usually her friends, the trickiest part is allowing her to separate from her friends discreetly). If so, I'd go for a 2nd date, if it's just us two you can bet I'll be kissing her and taking her home, or at least trying my best to do so. I can see 3rd date scenarios coming up, but as a general rule I get physical as soon as possible. The weirdness of moving too soon in no way compares to the weirdness of trying to get physical on the 3rd date out of nowhere, IMO, and it saves you time as well.

Good insights. Belo Horizonte girls moved fast, in terms, of kissing. Had no problem kissing, many girls there, the first time I met them. But banging the first night in BH is pretty damn difficult. Any forum member who has been there, will tell you the same.....though if there are guys, who cracked the code, I would like to hear from them.
Porto Alegre, just moved up in the list of new cities I want to try in Brazil.
Couldn't get a short term apartment in BH, which hindered me somewhat. In the end I banged 7 or 8 girls in 7 weeks so it wasnt too bad, but not like the NE of Brazil. So 2 more questions Wirey, if I may: how old are you and how did you go about finding a furnished apartment...without a "fiador" garantor or a long term contract.

[WireySpindell]

(07-06-2012 07:49 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(07-06-2012 02:12 PM)WireySpindell Wrote:  

(07-06-2012 11:49 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(07-06-2012 09:01 AM)WireySpindell Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 12:56 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

Don't get me wrong. People in Belo Horizonte were friendly and I had a decent time. But when it came to closing with girls, it was pretty hard and took a lot of work. They seemed a bit sheltered and closed off from the rest of the world. They were very aware that the city and the state of Minas Gerais produce some of the hottest girls in Brazil. This was not case in other 2nd tier cities in Brazil, that I lived in like Joao Pessoa, Natal and Brasilia. Wirey, how difficult were the girls to bang in Porto Alegre? Did you have much success? From seeing Brazilian movies that have been filmed there, it seems like it has potential.

I found the girls very easy to hook up with. I'd say like North American girls, but generally more direct and less BS (and hotter).

But to be honest, I find girls fairly easy anywhere I go, I don't get a lot of LMR and I generally can tell early if it's going to go anywhere and bail if any alarm bells go off. I've been in the game for 5+ years, and I guess I've developed the solid intuition, and find if you're generally not attached to the hook up and don't care either way, a little token LMR is all you'll get. Then again, my "defeating LMR tactic" is whipping my dick out and putting her hand on it. If she can resist after THAT, god bless her, that's a woman with strong will and I'd probably marry her on the spot.

I'm not saying this to brag, just trying to keep it real and tell you where I'm coming from. Another person might go to PA and have a totally different experience.

Cool, Porto Alegre seems like a place worth checking out. If they are like North American girls, in terms of hooking up, they are definitely easier than the Mineiras in Belo Horizonte. A couple of question if I may Wirey, so we can get an insight into your success in PA:
How are your portuguese skills? How old are you and do you have the classic tall blond look the girls adore in Brazil? How many dates did you need on average to get the bang over there?
With Belo Horizonte girls the average for me was 3 dates. Also, I am a like skinned Latino American so I passed like a native in BH, until they heard my accent in portuguese.

All right,

1) Portuguese skills are non-existent. So yeah, a lot of girls you're done right off the bat. I remember once in a loud club, getting close with this girl, making out a bit on the dance floor, taking funny pics with her friends camera... then we get somewhere quiet and I figure out she doesn't speak a word of English, lol. But, fI did meet a lot of girl who speak English, at least a few solid groups every time I went out, that's fine by me.

2) I'm blonde, but not tall, like 5'8". Kind of muscular and fit though, I take care of myself. Honestly, the looks/height thing... meh. Girls say they want a guy to look a certain way... but many a time I've competed against a guy who fits that standard (tall, model look), but my game was sharper, and I got the girl. Lost girls to uglier guys in my time too, lol. Mostly doesn't matter, IMO. I've been into RSD for like 5+ years, so I've had that hammered in pretty deep. Whether it's always objectively true 100%, I don't care... it's a belief that pays off for the most part.

3) Dates, lol... my general MO was hit the club, spend an hour or two meeting all the girls there, do a second round to see who I really liked and who seemed receptive, then choosing one and going for the hook up that night. "Hey let's get some food" and then going to my apartment was generally it, girl just needs an excuse so her friends won't judge her, once you get her alone, kiss her and take total responsibility for where things go. 60% of the time, it works EVERYTIME (that's not a real stat, just wanted to quote Anchorman)

But yeah, sometimes there's logistical issues (usually her friends, the trickiest part is allowing her to separate from her friends discreetly). If so, I'd go for a 2nd date, if it's just us two you can bet I'll be kissing her and taking her home, or at least trying my best to do so. I can see 3rd date scenarios coming up, but as a general rule I get physical as soon as possible. The weirdness of moving too soon in no way compares to the weirdness of trying to get physical on the 3rd date out of nowhere, IMO, and it saves you time as well.

Good insights. Belo Horizonte girls moved fast, in terms, of kissing. Had no problem kissing, many girls there, the first time I met them. But banging the first night in BH is pretty damn difficult. Any forum member who has been there, will tell you the same.....though if there are guys, who cracked the code, I would like to hear from them.
Porto Alegre, just moved up in the list of new cities I want to try in Brazil.
Couldn't get a short term apartment in BH, which hindered me somewhat. In the end I banged 7 or 8 girls in 7 weeks so it wasnt too bad, but not like the NE of Brazil. So 2 more questions Wirey, if I may: how old are you and how did you go about finding a furnished apartment...without a "fiador" garantor or a long term contract.

I'm 30, was 27-28 when I was there. I just Googled it and found a furnished apartment for 1 month.