[Black Quixote]

So,

I've been in Toronto a few days so far. I am staying on the more outskirts area of town, in a nice neighborhoodfor free. I am crashing with a friend and am now beginning to explore the city and Canadian culture. Everyone I've talked to has been either really cool or really bitchy. It's funny the amount of polarization. The guys seem pretty cool, except..for the PUAs, as they don't seem to like the fact I have a more natural approach to things as I never really got immersed in that whole thing. This is a fun trip moreso than a OH LAWD I NEED WOMEN! trip. I've done a few sets my first night and done a even greater amount last night after I ereally nailed the Torontian girl's personality. So far, what I have realized is the average here in COmparison to DC is much lower in terms of looks and personality, but if we are goin off looks alone it's just barely under it. THe average here is about a six and a half, and in DC about a 7.5 as of late (just came from there as well). I've been having fun here so far though. I havent gotten a single REAL rejection since I nailed their personality and I even almost pulled twice yesterday...except TorontoKid yelled "Ha! They are OK but not my type, Id have to be DRUNK ro fuck them" he was trying to be cool, and sadly fucked my chances up with the cute one of the two a small Cuban chick... Cuban flag averted . Anyway, today I am going to checkout the area Im staying in and the Beaches more than the city itself as I have some work to handle.

I have no idea what aprt of Canad im going to go to next but anyway IM here until Friday then either: Quebec City, Sudbury, Ontario Montreal, or anywhere else. Wherever the poll says I should go next. I'll be sure to drop datasheets on how to game here, the approach you should have and where you need to be at in terms of headspaces and shit because it's easy to get discouraged here, the ifirst few hours I was like "Damn, I must suck here, these girls are mean as hell. W" when in all actuality it's just their defens emechanisms meant to sort through the lame guys and only spend tim with the really cool guys. This city is OVERFLOWING with thirsty dudes. I think if I were here for a month I could pull at least seven to ten times. But it's more than that to me, as alot of these girls are my favorite "HIPSTERS" so we get along really well. Ive been number closing alot but as I have yet to get a phone Ive been entering them on TK's cell.

Well, we'll see where today takes me! Keeping you all posted

BQ

[OGNorCal707]

(06-18-2012 01:08 PM)Black Quixote Wrote:  

I havent gotten a single REAL rejection since I nailed their personality and I even almost pulled twice yesterday...except TorontoKid yelled "Ha! They are OK but not my type, Id have to be DRUNK ro fuck them" he was trying to be cool, and sadly fucked my chances up with the cute one of the two a small Cuban chick... Cuban flag averted .

[Saladin]

(06-18-2012 02:39 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

(06-18-2012 01:08 PM)Black Quixote Wrote:  

I havent gotten a single REAL rejection since I nailed their personality and I even almost pulled twice yesterday...except TorontoKid yelled "Ha! They are OK but not my type, Id have to be DRUNK ro fuck them" he was trying to be cool, and sadly fucked my chances up with the cute one of the two a small Cuban chick... Cuban flag averted .

Yeah, I fucked up bad. I thought they were aruond the corner and I also thought I was whispering. I forget that I'm 10 times louder when I"m drunk and that they could hear me.

Fuck me, I suck ass when drunk, I'm a million times dumber compared to sober.

[Black Quixote]

Everythings bueno.

[Roosh]

Quote:

the average here in COmparison to DC is much lower in terms of looks and personality

That's pretty bad.

[Saladin]

When he says a 6.5 he's unable to see the ugly chicks. He literally cannot see fatties(they are invisible).

Average real quality is lower, at nighttime its probably a 5.5-6, daytime its even worse.

There are some cute girls in our area though, we were talking to two cute twins but we had to run to catch our bus. Also, I cockblocked the shit out of him last night which sucked.

He's making game work here. There's a very specific type of game required here, you cannot show much interest at all.

[Moma]

(06-18-2012 05:10 PM)torontokid Wrote:  

When he says a 6.5 he's unable to see the ugly chicks. He literally cannot see fatties(they are invisible).

Average real quality is lower, at nighttime its probably a 5.5-6, daytime its even worse.

There are some cute girls in our area though, we were talking to two cute twins but we had to run to catch our bus. Also, I cockblocked the shit out of him last night which sucked.

He's making game work here. There's a very specific type of game required here, you cannot show much interest at all.

What area are you lot chopping in? And what type of lizards are you going for? All?

[Indefatigable]

Why did you think they were mean as hell at first? What were they doing?

[1bliss]

You should have gone to Cheval last night. I haven't seen that much quality ass in a veryyy long time. Maybe because it was the MMVAs so there was a bunch of after parties. Either way... if you didn't go out to a proper club downtown, you missed out!

[Johnny Football]

Go to Montreal, literally the best city I've ever gone out in.

[thegmanifesto]

(06-18-2012 06:54 PM)PROD3GY Wrote:  

Go to Montreal, literally the best city I've ever gone out in.

Which places in Montreal did you think were the best?

[Saladin]

Moma, we've been downtown the last couple nights, and we have also spent time in the Beaches(where I live).

The beaches is by far the best spot for us(18, and 19 years old).

Indirect easy going game is the way to go here. We are talking to girls our age or a couple years younger.

We were just on a walk to the beach, talked to two chicks. Got their numbers and will text soon. They're 7s and decently cute so lets see what will happen. BQ is the one gaming them, I'm just chilling while he does most of the talking.

BQ has super chill game and he does not give a fuck. Most say they don't give a fuck but they do and act like obnoxious assholes to prove to themselves they don't give a fuck(like RSD guys).

We're gonna focus on the beaches mainly, not many girls here but the ones that are fairly friendly.

The deal with Toronto is avoiding the downtown bitches and finding the girls in the suburbs. The fact he's from the US helps a lot since girls want to hear about it. Also, weed and alchohol are a huge part of meeting chicks here. Being chill and relaxed will get you a lot farther than being aggressive.

[Saladin]

Btw, none of this doesn't mean that Toronto doesn't suck. It still sucks but with some sniper game and a good understanding of how stuff works us Toronto guys can do decently well.

We're planning to go to Montreal or Quebec City this weekend.

[el mechanico]

I love these kind of threads

[kosko]

No way D.C. girls are better than Toronto girls. Noooo damn way.

Toronto girls are easily two notches above DC girls as far as looks go. You kats staying in the beaches huh? That's where all the young girls are tho so I don't know really what to compare that too. How long is your adventure in Canada? I am really floored you be saying DC is better. Maybe its because your younger? A young broad in DC gonna have money vs broads near my age whom are transplants and what not. So I get how your view on tail will be different than mine. I am going at girls ages 19-29 lol. While y'all dealing with girls 16-21.

Again though no way DC got better tail than Toronto. That's duck tales my TO brethren.

[Johnny Football]

(06-18-2012 07:16 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(06-18-2012 06:54 PM)PROD3GY Wrote:  

Go to Montreal, literally the best city I've ever gone out in.

Which places in Montreal did you think were the best?

I was only there for this the last time I was there,
http://www.osheaga.com/
Wicked festival, lots of chicks from all over Quebec and Ontario I found. Definitely a young late high school, university-type crowd. I didn't know about RVF or anything like that last year though so I wasn't much into game at the time. I was 17 when I went so I didn't go to many bars/clubs and just stayed at the festival for most of it. They didn't ID often at the festival/I had a terrible fake back then which even still worked somehow. The only places I went outside of that were SuperSexe (which wasn't great, but me and my buddies had never been too a strip club before so I wanted to try one out), a club called Light something which was pretty sweet and Playground Poker but that was just for a poker tournament.

I stayed at the Fairmont which is only a couple blocks from the Bell Center/St Catherine's St. Wasn't too bad on price for the hotel if I remember correctly but I'd go apartment if I went again now knowing about things like Airbnb.

I might go again this year if I don't go to Drake's OVO Fest in Toronto. If any of you T.O guys have been to that the last couple of years and could drop info that would be sweet. Overall, quality of the girls is at least a point higher than my home city Halifax, so I was pretty impressed.

[Saladin]

(06-18-2012 10:25 PM)kosko Wrote:  

No way D.C. girls are better than Toronto girls. Noooo damn way.

Toronto girls are easily two notches above DC girls as far as looks go. You kats staying in the beaches huh? That's where all the young girls are tho so I don't know really what to compare that too. How long is your adventure in Canada? I am really floored you be saying DC is better. Maybe its because your younger? A young broad in DC gonna have money vs broads near my age whom are transplants and what not. So I get how your view on tail will be different than mine. I am going at girls ages 19-29 lol. While y'all dealing with girls 16-21.

Again though no way DC got better tail than Toronto. That's duck tales my TO brethren.

Yeah, we're going for younger girls.

Daytime wise the beaches is good, but nighttime wise it sucks because its dark and empty.

BQ is black, when he talks to girls in they day they are very receptive, but at nighttime everyone in the neighborhood is scared as hell. We had multiple people cross the street to avoid us. It was actually hilarious.

We'll stick to daygame in this part of time and make sure we have stuff planned for the night.

[kosko]

(06-18-2012 11:27 PM)torontokid Wrote:  

(06-18-2012 10:25 PM)kosko Wrote:  

No way D.C. girls are better than Toronto girls. Noooo damn way.

Toronto girls are easily two notches above DC girls as far as looks go. You kats staying in the beaches huh? That's where all the young girls are tho so I don't know really what to compare that too. How long is your adventure in Canada? I am really floored you be saying DC is better. Maybe its because your younger? A young broad in DC gonna have money vs broads near my age whom are transplants and what not. So I get how your view on tail will be different than mine. I am going at girls ages 19-29 lol. While y'all dealing with girls 16-21.

Again though no way DC got better tail than Toronto. That's duck tales my TO brethren.

Yeah, we're going for younger girls.

Daytime wise the beaches is good, but nighttime wise it sucks because its dark and empty.

BQ is black, when he talks to girls in they day they are very receptive, but at nighttime everyone in the neighborhood is scared as hell. We had multiple people cross the street to avoid us. It was actually hilarious.

We'll stick to daygame in this part of time and make sure we have stuff planned for the night.

Hit some of the pools downtown. I know broads always sneak into those things when the weather heats up.

The one near Bathurst and Dundas was always popping when I hit it up a few summers back.

[julez]

(06-18-2012 06:15 PM)1bliss Wrote:  

You should have gone to Cheval last night. I haven't seen that much quality ass in a veryyy long time. Maybe because it was the MMVAs so there was a bunch of after parties. Either way... if you didn't go out to a proper club downtown, you missed out!

I also old him about Chavelle last night, as well as the fact that there were crazy after parties for the MMA. I'm going to bring him to my treasure chest spot in Mississauga this wednesday night, which he should have a field day with a little bit a salsa and bachatta. Easist place in this city to impress the non-Latinas that come out to experience something different.

With regards to DC over TO - hell no! I know DC well enough from attending a few Howard homecomings, as well as from working there recently. The outskirts of DC like Alexandria or Silverspring might have a better caliber of females but no where close to TO in rankings.

To rate a city based on visits to the shopping mall and beaches during the weekdays is not a fair representation of the women here. Just go to the financial district during lunch time or some happy hour spots after work dressed like you run Bay st and put your day game to work on women who are easily above 7's in my book and even higher if they got a job, place and positive attitude.

[Black Quixote]

It's true, So far we've been targeting 16-21. The 16-21 girls here are nothing in comparison to the transplants from DC. Example, had I not been brought to Toronto on a whim, I woudlve stayed in DC and pulled NO doubt in my mind. There are always so many women obviously targetting me wherever I go that even though I get just a slightly better treatment here, I still find the french women I meet in DC alot less pretentious than the women I meet here. Whereas multicultural here means "so, we are all different". Multicultural where I was staying in DC was moreso a "we are all different, but that makes me interested in you right now". Toronto is a place that I would recommend you come with both your A game and some money to spend. Logistics are fairly big here. What this means is it's all about being careful where you target. It's easy to spend an hour blown away on doing nothing here because if you dont have a car, subway pass, or dont have anything going for you, it's easy to not get any play or anything. There is no doubt in my mind that of course you could pull here with fair regularity and it's a dope city, it's just you have to know the right approach.

I would say about 99% of the PUAs/Guys Ive met here do literally the same thing over and over and wonder why they arent getting a good reception. And the thing is, hanging with these cats they attempt to bring any guy that arrives into that whole group mindset of "one for all or all get none". They go out creep on girls and get blown out. Stop, and then do the same thing again. There is no sense of adventure from many of these cats. One guy even said blatantly "Yeah, I dont even feel anything for women at all anymore". It's weird. BEcause ESPECIALLY in this city the ability to empathize is everything. Girls put up bitch shields because the guys have no game predominately. So what you do is, come in with a smile, charm them (they will shit test you hard), and just keep smiling and talking and when they realize you dont crumble like a bitch, they give you the time of day and become sweet girls.

If I had 3 tips for guys like me fresh;y arrive and young itd be:
1. If you arent in a good spot for logistics: get a week pass for the metro. It's so easy to close girls for numbers at the stations if you are relaxed and chill and find a reason to meet up. (festival, drink, etc. etc.)
2. Have a good time. If you go out thirsty, women sense it from a mile away. Every set that went well, it was because I went in already fairly having a fun night even without them. So they could feel my fun abundance vibe and these women because al of the guys are boring, LATCH onto that shit like piranahas.
3. Take your time and let the set progress, but number close and set up tentative plans for the NEAR future. talk to a girl, get her number and dont say "nice meeting you", stay in for another three four minutes and THEN eject if you cant set up an instadate. Instadates here go a LONG way for making an impression.

Either way, its a cool place if I wanted to really challenge myself, but it's summer and that's what school is for lol.

[Indefatigable]

BQ is American, and presumably has an accent. (He may also be VGL (IDK).) But that alone will make all the difference in the world. A lot of Canadians secretly envy and wish they were more like Americans. This means BQ's experience will be different. That bitch shield he talks about wouldn't go down if he didn't stand out in some way.

Women here think they're all special, but they have a working presumption that the men who approach them aren't special. That's why they have a bitch shield; it is certainly not because the guys don't have game (which is not to say that they do have game). Doesn't matter if you're having a good time without them or not. And being exposed to this constantly can wear a dude down.

I get a lot of attention when I go out. I hit up a few spots this past weekend and at each venue I got a lot of attention (in one case I was the centre of it). But I know that as a brother I wouldn't get any of this if I wasn't so above average in looks. And even then I still have to put up with BS that I know similarly attractive white guys don't have to go through.

In short, I think Toronto is pretty bad for the guys who live here (especially for brothers who don't stand out in some way), and a vistor with an American accent -- here for all of a few days -- is not going to have the same experience.

Just curious. Where did you hit up on Sat.?

[Black Quixote]

Know what, I think once Ive explored more, I will make a final judgement. I think you all bring up valid points, and I will reserve final judgement until I see what the city really has to fully offer.

[Black Quixote]

By the way, where should I go after here? Quebec City or Montreal? My french is decent, TK's is nonexistant. But, his game with me is existing next to me gets him chicks because I make them horny and Torontokid is good looking. (he added that last sentence).. But it is true none the less.

[kosko]

BQ also like 18/19 though. His experience is going to be night and day to mine. Day game and such is key for dealing with younger tail but I do agree that being an Americanno does help in Toronto and Canada at large. Toronto especially has a terrible penis envy for America, the rest of Canada is heavily amused by it.

If you can knock down french go as fucking rustic as you can get. Hit Quebec City but you will have to do a lot of leg work to to game broads for both you and TK. In Montreal being your age though and with one kat holding french you and TK can both run game more effectively.

Hell. Why not hit both. How long do you have here?

If yall got time on your hands and a pile of scratch then even think about busting a road trip out west to Stampede. I think Stampede starts in 2 weeks? Alberta got that 18 Drinking age too.

[Johnny Football]

(06-19-2012 04:04 AM)Black Quixote Wrote:  

By the way, where should I go after here? Quebec City or Montreal? My french is decent, TK's is nonexistant. But, his game with me is existing next to me gets him chicks because I make them horny and Torontokid is good looking. (he added that last sentence).. But it is true none the less.

If your going to Quebec City make sure you hit up the Dagobert that place is unreal! When I went in March it was 70% people from outside Quebec so if your French fails you this is a pretty sweet spot.
http://dagobert.ca/