[WestCoast]

So for the more intermediate level guys i am going to write about my night not because i did well but because i FAILED in epic proportions with a girl who would probably make your average man ejaculate in his pants...

Here is the run down... I went out to my usual place to swoop and met 2 people one older man and another younger girl. Turns out he was 52 and she was 25. Blah blah.

I dance with her, during the situation she says "i can't focus because you are very attractive".

Later in the night said 52 year old is kissing said 25 year old. Immediate gold digger game comes in my head and i think simple easy close.

Head to bar.... dude pays for all my drinks and cab ride (moron) and I end up at a bar i never go to (total UPS store nothing but "mail packages").

Dance again with her solo, dude str8 lets me take her alone and I think this is cake. Wrong. During dancing she tells me "yeah he is a dude i met who pays me 10K a month to sleep with him i am just here fore the wknd you should call me tomorrow" I respond with okay sure i'll hit u up before u leave monday... Chit chat about bullshit again i joke and say she's making smart decisions... Meet a group of randoms they invite all of us to leave (incl 52 yr old dude) and we say sure.

Fatality.

I start to leave with said group thinking its a great idea to triple venue move... and she says "You failed the test".

Fatality confirmed.

Essentially she is banging this dude, she actually likes him and he's FIFTY TWO. I have not been this caught off guard in a while and just wow. She out gamed the shit out of me. Times 50. Which i expect from a solid 8.5.

So for the lazy to summarize... ASSUME ALL QUESTIONS/COMMENTS FROM A BITCH ARE SHIT TESTS IF SHE IS A 8+. To the better players than me please help confirm the number of shit tests to hotness ratio.

Really eye opening experience for me though, hope this thread was comprehensible because i am a good 5 drinks in due to that guy paying for it all.

[MrWombat]

Not sure I understand this. But I do understand that it's pretty pointless to try to come between a whore and her client. Especially when she's on the job. She wasn't there to pick up or be picked up. She was working. It's like trying to pick up the barperson - they are just not in that mental space.

[HiFlo]

I'm having a hard time following along - it's not very clear.

What exactly is the shit test that you failed?

[WestCoast]

Yeah i guess the interaction is a bit confusing to read but essentially her comment about being with him for $$ was the shit test. Essentially she actually was straight up with the guy and actually does like him. So her "shit test" was seeing if i "fell" for her dating guys only for $$$.

I have been trying to move up quality and I have noticed a large increase in shit tests throughout interactions, it has been an interesting time for sure.

I guess even better is guys on here don't realize the "fake whore comment" was the shit test.

[Hotwheels]

I don't call that a shit test. She was just playing with you as there was no passing the "test". She was with the guy one way or another no matter what you said or did.

Why one would waste time with a broad that told you what she did is beyond me. I'm sure he enjoyed watching you get all hot for his broad then walking out with her leaving you wondering what happened.

[WestCoast]

Sure fair enough, agree there was no chance at a close. However, more interested in the shit test to see if anyone has encountered that one. I doubt that guy knew what he was doing since I was able to get a make out and all my drinks paid for.

[tenderman100]

Agreed, this is not a shit test. What did she want you to do? Get all outraged that she's whoring it up? Plead with here not whore it up? Tell her that you do it for free? Catch her in the lie and expose her?

A shit test is when SHE says something about YOU that's designed to test if you're man enough to display confidence or should be relegated to the friendzone-beta compartment.

[WestCoast]

Well i know with certainty that it fell through at that point so what in the world do u say to a comment like that?

Maybe it wasn't a "shit test" but what in the world is that? So much of the situation was hilariously F'd up.

1. Dude pays for everything my night total cost was $5
2. Girl basically tries to game me alone on dance floor by throwing lots of complements my way
3. End of night throws out that she's "with that guy because he pays for it". I jokingly said ha thats cool no worries we can kick it another day. Then all down hill as i leave to go back to bar to tlak to said dude and she says "you failed my test"

Very odd day out, even for me

[calex]

Seems to me that you were trying to pull a dude's woman while he was paying for your drinks and cabrides, and they had a bit of fun at your expense. You got played, playa.

[WestCoast]

I would agree if I didn't get to a makeout session by the time we got to venue 2. Pretty sure something went wrong post that dance floor situation. Meh worst case it was a cheap night out.

[calex]

(04-22-2012 12:12 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

I would agree if I didn't get to a makeout session by the time we got to venue 2.

So you just forgot that little detail in the previous posts? OK

[Basil Ransom]

I always say, if you want to smoke out the teases, isolate. It looks like you did that, and she still played along. This is a pretty advanced whore. She's probably such an outlier that you can't really apply the situation to other girls. If you did, you might get too focused on smoking out the teases, and risk alienating a girl who is otherwise into you.

That said, sometimes it's good to run bad game. It helps you save time, and your dignity. Last week I started talking to this girl in a bar, and I eventually get her on the dance floor. I'm grinding, and when I go hard on her, she bitches about it. I try to make out with her, and she tells me not to do that. I try several more times, and she finally runs off. I just felt "if this girl isn't willing to kiss me right now, and is bothered by some hard grinding, she's just a cocktease - her rejecting me at this point would be a gift."

[Veloce]

I've never remotely encountered a situation like this, it's pretty weird.

However, from what I gather from your story, it seems like your best option would have been to be much more aggressive. Saying, "It's cool, we can kick it another day" was probably too passive, and her saying "I actually like him" was just some hamster rationalization. The "right" move may have been to escalate and isolate, get caveman and pull her out of there. You don't know the full story with this chick and the older dude, but older dude might have some weird fetish of watching his girl get picked up by randoms, or maybe even fucked.

[WestCoast]

@ calex my bad I was pretty drunk by the time I came back to post this and agree that it was a fail from the get go.

@ basil I think u're spot on. Likely advanced whore basically saying she "grew out of doing cocaine and blacking out" (said this during a group setting) so just an odd outlier. Glad it didnt cost me more than a night out

[soup]

(04-22-2012 03:41 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

So for the lazy to summarize... ASSUME ALL QUESTIONS/COMMENTS FROM A BITCH ARE SHIT TESTS IF SHE IS A 8+. To the better players than me please help confirm the number of shit tests to hotness ratio.

I've noticed this as well. And it's not just with words. They will test with their body language as well, and will never make it so easy. You could have tried to call her bluff when she made the eye comment by physically escalating. Like you could have grabbed her ass on the side that was facing away from the dude so that no only would he not see, you'd save her any kind of slut-shame.

I think the best way to deal with these tests is to do everything possible to not allow them to even come up. This means leading the conversation and not giving her space to ask questions or make comments like that.

You really have to control the conversation by baiting her to ask you questions that you'd want her to ask (like personal questions).

Also, you framed it so the older man was "letting" you dance with her. So, he was in control of the frame (which is probably why he was so chill about the whole thing).

[WestCoast]

Thanks soup i think that last sentence is very true. Basically the dude "lead" the interaction by buying us drinks and moving us around constantly. Pretty good $5 experience.

Learned a lot and i see where i got away with some bad game and good game, here goes more info for anyone reading:

Bad:
1. Allowing him to lead us around to different venues and buy all the rounds (this was actually him framing the whole night)
2. Failing a few shit tests regarding body language in hindsight me telling them i was not there to swoop I should have just said "Yep here to pull" with a deadpan look
3. Not having a smarter comeback to the bold faced lie she made about being paid to be there.

Good:
1. Dance floor game is still strong esp when i told the two of them "choose a girl i'll make her night by teaching her how to dance." They pointed out a solid 7, i walked over and had her dancing with me in seconds.
2. Not giving direct answers to what i do or how old I am

Naturally the bad outweighed the good so it was overall bad, but I'm learning rapidly when dealing with higher quality, its like you go through hell and high water to get through to a 8.

[ManAbout]

Sounds to me like she was shit testing him. He let you have your chance with her and he didn't flinch when you were making moves on her. Instead he befriended you and took you along for the ride. He is showing the girl that he doesn't see you as any threat what so ever and/or he is totally non chalant about the outcome.

At least now you know why he is banging her.

[HiFlo]

so I'm confused, was this girl an escort or not?

[WestCoast]

Not an escort . Basically I fucked up the frame.
Overall I think my big learning lesson is I'm running "6" game on "8"s now. I have no room for such chump errors.

If she was a 6 I cld have pulled her out bc I am better looking than him and my fuck ups would have been overlooked.

[HiFlo]

But the old guy flew her in for the weekend just to hang out for the weekend, right?

If so, then you are thinking way too much into it. She would never leave him for to fuck you for a night, especially right in front of him. She doesn't want to ruin the relationship she has with the old guy, who buys her vacations, etc.

[soup]

(04-22-2012 01:20 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

3. Not having a smarter comeback to the bold faced lie she made about being paid to be there.

That's a weird thing for any girl to say, and would have def caught me off guard. If I didn't know what to say, I probably would have smirked and let out a little condescending laugh or something. But, never buy into her story or frame. You have to knock her down from "hot babe" to "annoying little sister making up stories"

You can always agree and amplify when getting shit tested.

[soup]

(04-22-2012 01:57 PM)HiFlo Wrote:  

But the old guy flew her in for the weekend just to hang out for the weekend, right?

If so, then you are thinking way too much into it. She would never leave him for to fuck you for a night, especially right in front of him. She doesn't want to ruin the relationship she has with the old guy, who buys her vacations, etc.

It doesn't matter what they said about him flying in. That could all be a lie. They were probably just fucking with you.

[WestCoast]

Agreed. There was no shot.

More curious to see if anyone ran into that sort of comment/shit test saying she's with a dude for $$ only to see you squirm. Wondering if my response of "it's cool we'll kick it anthr day" is the right move.

@ soup. Agree weird but what's a good comeback I am pretty decent at shit tests but that was a WTF do I say to this, ESP since I had to sift out if it was a lie and come up with something to reframe etc. tough

Also not a lie the guy had cash, I was able to sift thru and realize he ran a hedge fund for a while, so I played the fake beta "I'm a dorky engineer" to grab his biz card and hopefully get a contact to make more money, ha. But yeah back to topic, wondering how u reframe a comment like that one that sank me hard

[HiFlo]

Well what do YOU think you should have responded with?

[WestCoast]

I have posted my response.

I simply said "ha, cool can kick it another time" basically took the nonchalant route. I have found being aloof to shit tests has worked so far but I could be dead wrong, hence why I posted this up.