[Seduction Sutra]

I took this from another forum. I agree with most of it.

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This I believe is the most important part of "game". It is having standards, boundaries, consequences and screening women. This aint going to seduce women, this aint going to make her attracted to you. What it will do is:
Not waste your time or money, not attracted/dtf women
Not lose your self respect, no chasing her, no taking disrespect
Go after what you want, not being ashamed of what you want
Be real with yourself

See her: attracted -> yes =approach or NO = dont, ignore
Attitude: I dont think I want to have sex at first, I think
Is she attractive
is she fun (is interaction fun, engaging in conversation)
is she interesting (not necessary esp for clubs) (conversation topics, personality, connection)
is she DTF (does not leave when escalating.sees me again, no hang ups over sex, not seen as b/f)
is she attracted to me (kissing, sex, hand caress)
is she over 18
is she respectful to me (not being rude, ignoring, starts arguments, flaking, this depends for each person)
These question go through my head, through out the interaction, and determine whether I continue and escalate, or leave

I dont plow, I just dont want to waste my time, thus i probably have lost shy girls, but they had the opportunity to call me back when I left them. Its also about self respect. I make a move, I expect her to make some effort to.

For example,
I approach, I expect her to pay attention, face me and listen.
I offer to shake hands, I expect her to shake my hands
I ask questions, engage in a conversation, I expect her to talk back with some effort.

I am not asking for a lot. If she does not, I give her another chance, then leave, as she is not what i am looking for.

As you can see below, I give few chances and little time with new women, and the more it progresses the more chances I give her. Certain areas I will only give one chance (asking for phone number)

1st meet (approx 5min-10min)
If she leaves, I leave
2 chances to start an interaction after approach, or acknowledge approach -> leave
2 chances to engage in conversation -> leave
2/3 chances to show something interesting in conversation -> still get number (Decide whether want to see them or not)
2/3 chances with physical escalation (getting closer, hand hold, maintain EC with silence) -> still get number
1 chance to get instant date -> get phone number
1 chance to get phone number

Phone
2 chances to respond to text/call -> next
2 chances to arrange date -> next(unless she arranges or extreme circumstance)

Dates
*1 chance to meet -> next if she stood me up with no apology
*2/3 chancese to find out if attracted (kissing, hand carress) on first date -> next, no second date
*First date, kissing, getting some where, leads to second date
*30 minutes for first date, to see if fun/interesting/physical -> next
*no sex after first date, 2/3 chances to push interaction forwards from last date -> next (if nothing sexual/ i dont cum)
*IF sex was crap or other personality issues or no fun-> next
*If 3rd date no sex, after other sexual activity (BJ, HJ where I cum) -> Next (depends on their skills with their hands or mouth)

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I love how methodical the author is. Having tightly defined standards makes game a procedural process rather than an emotional one. It takes a strong masculine frame to relegate the women in your life to an algorithm, but ultimately women only respect men who have rules and principles in their life. thanks for sharing this. mind if I ask what other forum? if this is any indication of the quality of discourse, I want to be involved.

[void]

its all about how you value your time:
value of time high -> need for efficiency -> need for strong frame -> success v
^<-

[Vaquero]

Nice post man, sounds rigid on paper but it actually is flexible enough. I used to have the mindset that as long as theyre responding keep trying but there are some chicks out there that will string you along for however long you let em.

So whats your thoughts on a chick that you cut off due to being flakey or non-responsive but who contacts you out of the blue a couple weeks later? Once a flake always a flake?

[Seduction Sutra]

(04-19-2012 07:11 AM)Vaquero Wrote:  

Nice post man, sounds rigid on paper but it actually is flexible enough. I used to have the mindset that as long as theyre responding keep trying but there are some chicks out there that will string you along for however long you let em.

So whats your thoughts on a chick that you cut off due to being flakey or non-responsive but who contacts you out of the blue a couple weeks later? Once a flake always a flake?

Once a flake is always a flake, IME. Though there's a possibility where you can bang her in the future, but the probability is too low that you'd just be better off with new prospects.

[Seduction Sutra]

(04-19-2012 05:27 AM)void Wrote:  

its all about how you value your time:
value of time high -> need for efficiency -> need for strong frame -> success v
^<-

Actually it's how you value yourself which of course includes your time. If you don't value yourself, do not expect others to do the same. I have seen time and time again, guys lower themselves just to get a pussy. It's not worth a bit of self respect to land one pussy.

[Giovonny]

(04-19-2012 11:30 AM)Seduction Sutra Wrote:  

Actually it's how you value yourself which of course includes your time. If you don't value yourself, do not expect others to do the same. I have seen time and time again, guys lower themselves just to get a pussy. It's not worth a bit of self respect to land one pussy.

Great thread!

Welcome!