[Cyrus]

So I went to a career fair today, primarily to drop off my resume at cool places and find an internship which I really need for the summer.

I really think that college guys and recent alums should try this out......this was definitely a new experience that became really fun.

I went with a good friend and we approached just about every cute girl working as recruiters. Ended up doing *alot* of approaches, and it was good for me. I think it's helped remove some still-latent AA I still have. Because I go to an academic prestigious school, actually many of the recruiters were hotter than girls who go here. And not surprisingly, they were easy to talk to too.

And for some reason, they were easier to talk to. And not just about job stuff. I think my game would jump in leaps and bounds if I had more opportunities like this.

It was also the second time I've run day game on more than just 1 girl during a session. It actually got fun after a bit!!!

It was weird, you could almost tell they were interested *right* off the bat. I probably could have closed them if it were a better time. My friend and wingman actually did # close one of the two hottest girls there but he didn't think he built enough rapport with her to go through it.

The other hot girl saw me gaming another girl at a booth and as I walked around the fair she passed me by and made eye contact (+smile) 3 times. Safe to say I should have gamed her, right?

A few of the girls had their pupils grow really large when I talked to them. Most of the time when I run game its at night at parties so I never see this (unless she has bright blue eyes)!!!

Assuming the lighting conditions didn't change before the girl(s) saw me to when I started talking to them, is it safe to conclude that's high interest? What about if the girl's pupils are still shrunk, but she still seems interested? Is it not safe to plow when you're in a fragile position (ie looking for a job) relative to hers?

We figured it's best to get the number soon, and leave her on a note with high interest. It's also good social proofing when they see you talking to other cute employers.


Also there's another career fair tomorrow. Me and my friend (and another who has just opened his eyes to game) wanna go again. I was decent at turning the platonic, job-related conversation into more personal stuff, but how do you get it sexual? I found teasing worked decently, but I ran out of teasing material fast!

At the most I can get proximity, but I'm guessing doing any sort of kino is a huge taboo at a career fair when people are only shaking hands and talking about jobs.

Most of my night game escalates really fast. I usually dont have a problem touching the girl and stuff but during day game it seems a little more sketchy. What do you think?

And are there any other events such as this where we can take advantage of the situation?

[HiFlo]

Well these girls are hired gun - they are paid to be nice and flirtatious with you in order to recruit you to the company. That's what they're good at, and that's what they're for.

It could have been genuine sexual interest, but they are experts at feigning that sort of rapport in career fairs. Afterall, they're paid to game you into working for the man

Also, don't be too forward especially if its a job you actually want to apply for. She might red-flag your name to HR if she felt the conversation was too personal rather than job-related.

My recommendation is if you do want to close one or two, use the most innocuous close possible: "i'd love to hear more about why you choose this company to work for over its competitors. It's a huge decision!!! And I'm very loyal to the companies I work for so I want to make sure I choose the right one. Can we talk more about it later on?"

Many companies also put on recruiting dinners for candidates they're interested in.

[Cyrus]

(04-18-2012 05:54 PM)HiFlo Wrote:  

And I'm very loyal to the companies I work for so I want to make sure I choose the right one. Can we talk more about it later on?"

LOL! That was *exactly* the line my friend used to pull the hotty recruiters number.

My talks were slightly less personable because I would, unluckily, have a male recruiter standing nearby.

I see what your saying about them having to act flirtacious. Most of it really is a ruse and I can't be illusioned to that.

Kinda reminds me of strippers, you know?

Fake interest.

But there were 3 big signs that I picked up on, which I want to learn more from you guys whether its interest or not.

One, you really can't fake pupil dilation (at least as far as I'm concerned, and you don't get the opportunity to see it at a strip club anyway), so part of my question was asking if you see them dilate, is that a sign you should turn on hunter mode and move in for the kill? These girls who I'm referring to had, without a single doubt, huge pupils compared to most of the other recruiters I talked to (I talked to male recruiters too).

Two, one of the hot recruiters kept walk around in my general proximity. One could even say it was "pacing" in multiple directions. But each time she passed me she'd look at me and smile. Move in for the kill? I had an opener and convo idea but I was actually kinda intimidated by this one - I always get extremely intimidated when hot girls show that many IOI's. Esp. because her heels made her taller than me. It's kinda unnerving; it happens to me alot and I almost always screw it up.

Three, one of the pupil girls kept touching her hair. Move in?

I guess part of my question is considering the change from IOI's in night game vs. IOI's in day game. Generally when a girl keeps looking at you and smiling at a club, you have an easy close up ahead.

[HiFlo]

Like I said, they're hired guns.

They're there to seduce you to join their company, and they're there because they are good at doing that.

It's well known that most of the male recruiters from the high finance investment banks (Goldman, JP Morgan) lead on the hot Ivy League girls applying for jobs and end up laying them without giving them the job. But female recruiters don't have the same mentality to screw male recruits only to laugh at them later and say, "look haha, you didn't get the job."

[Cyrus]

Let's be real dude. Your logic is more sound than mine, I'll give you that, but....

I'm a psychology major. I'm a fucking smart guy, but I'm a psychology major. Statistically, psychology majors make the least money out of college. Even less than other humanities, which have even less science or math involved.

Granted, I go to the best psych program in the country, but basically all firms are looking for engineers. It is the information age, you know.

We have our majors on our nametags. I saw many tech companies' recruiters looking at me in particular but when they craned their neck and saw my major they'd turn away.

Over 50% of the jobs there were for computer scientists, about 20% were hard engineering, 10% consulting, 10% finance, and 10% "other". I'm not lying either. This is the way the job market has turned out recently, and I know *three* of my friends who majored in psychology and actually re-enrolled classes in the hard engineerings (2 computer science, 1 electrical engineering) to find a job, given their desparation in failures in the job market.

Now tell me, why would they even want to "seduce me" to apply in the first place?

You can't HAVE a more undesirable major, other than Art History or feminist studies. And even those two majors, statistically, make more on average right out of college. Lawl.

Firms don't behave the same way as ego-validating women. Human resources does not have the time wasted on female recruiters convincing male psychology majors to apply for the job. That's just one more resume they have to read (and throw away).

Why would they waste time seducing a psychology major when they could *invest* or *spend* time seducing a code-monkeying computer science major?

Even if the girl just wanted ego validation, as all women do, she could AND should have gotten it from a computer science or other engineering major. They're less socially adept, they'd supplicate to her more. They'd feed her ego more. That's why I still believe it could be interest, or at least the beginnings of interest depending on how my game goes.......

[BadgerHut]

(04-18-2012 05:47 PM)Cyrus Wrote:  

So I went to a career fair today, primarily to drop off my resume at cool places and find an internship which I really need for the summer.

I really think that college guys and recent alums should try this out......this was definitely a new experience that became really fun.

I went with a good friend and we approached just about every cute girl working as recruiters. Ended up doing *alot* of approaches, and it was good for me. I think it's helped remove some still-latent AA I still have. Because I go to an academic prestigious school, actually many of the recruiters were hotter than girls who go here.

And for some reason, they were easier to talk to. And not just about job stuff.

It was also the second time I've run day game on more than just 1 girl during a session. It actually got fun after a bit!!!

It was weird, you could almost tell they were interested *right* off the bat. I probably could have closed them if it were a better time. My friend and wingman actually did # close one of the two hottest girls there but he didn't think he built enough rapport with her to go through it.

The other hot girl saw me gaming another girl at a booth and as I walked around the fair she passed me by and made eye contact (+smile) 3 times. Safe to say I should have gamed her, right?

A few of the girls had their pupils grow really large when I talked to them. Most of the time when I run game its at night at parties so I never see this (unless she has bright blue eyes)!!!

Assuming the lighting conditions didn't change before the girl(s) saw me to when I started talking to them, is it safe to conclude that's high interest? What about if the girl's pupils are still shrunk, but she still seems interested? Is it not safe to plow when you're in a fragile position (ie looking for a job) relative to hers?


Also there's another career fair tomorrow. Me and my friend (and another who has just opened his eyes to game) wanna go again. I was decent at turning the platonic, job-related conversation into more personal stuff, but how do you get it sexual? I found teasing worked decently, but I ran out of teasing material fast!

At the most I can get proximity, but I'm guessing doing any sort of kino is a huge taboo at a career fair when people are only shaking hands and talking about jobs.

Most of my night game escalates really fast. I usually dont have a problem touching the girl and stuff but during day game it seems a little more sketchy. What do you think?

OKay, first, I think it's great you worked your game. These sorts of events are awesome because there's a bunch of people you'll never see again and lots of opportunity for testing out material.

And as for being hotter than women at top schools, absolutely.

Now for the other shoe...it's important to realize that recruiters at career fairs are selling. They are selling their company's image. In other words, it's their job to be nice to you. Even - especially - talking about things other than work/school. That's one of the classic ways salesmen build long-standing rapport, in the same way that us guys tell each other to NOT talking to a woman about how much you like her or want to sleep with her.

It may not seem this way given that everyone has to grovel for a job at these career fairs, but good companies are in bitter fights with each other for top talent. There just aren't that many people coming out of college who will show up on time, stay late, be self-starters and otherwise raise the quality of their business. Lots of the candidates can't wipe their own asses, and most of the others will be role players/utility men but need to be managed and won't produce novel value. These companies blow millions on useless plastic schwag just to build brand. They don't give a second thought to deploying a bunch of booth babes to butter up throngs of frustrated college males and get their brains in the door of this company or that.

So I think your advice is great to use career fairs as a proving ground, the same way I tell guys to practice their AA/openers on clerks, waitresses and other people whose job requires that they don't tell you off. As for getting real leads? Best of luck but I'd regard them as low-percentage plays.