I went out with a friend-of-a-friend who recently swallowed the red pill after a failed LTR. Our mutual friend told him to friend me on Facebook because I "know what I'm doing." Said mutual friend is a gal I hung out with a few times but had to flip her because she was too hung up on an ex-boyfriend (AMOG in college) and brought him up too often for my taste.
This guy, who still lacks confidence and self-esteem, showed me a bunch of things he was doing that I realized I don't do, and maybe never did. The one thing that angered me the most, and I don't recall EVER seeing anyone talk about it here when I was sitting on the sidelines is the social circle good night hug that women always seem to offer guys they're not interested in.
Him and I hung out at a pub where I figured he'd do well at getting numbers. Unfortunately, a half hour after we rolled in, a pile of his friends from his regular hood show up unexpectedly. I specifically told him to NOT tell anyone where we were going, so it was truly random luck.
That pile of friends happened to also be hanging out with some coworkers and outside circle friends, so it was fresh meat for this guy to deal with. Some of that fresh meat was looking really good, I'd say 7s all around. I was surprised, because his friends seemed pretty chumpy, and his gal pals were all showing the beer belly.
I told him to take it easy, don't focus on any one person, make the rounds within the group but let's focus on people elsewhere in the bar -- a little social proof from his circle won't hurt. I tried my best to stand down from opening anyone (mostly because my sex life is pretty solid and I don't have time for anyone else), and mostly just watched him peripherally while also just socializing and promoting my Chicago-based businesses where I could.
He fucked up all over the place, but at least he has no deep seated bad habits, he's just a Nice Guy, but he's tall (6'1") and what I'd consider very good looking (8). I'm personally a low 5 and short, so I'd think if I can do gangbusters in social circle game, he could, too.
By night's end (midnight, everyone had to work in the morning), the fresh meat all said their good nights, and 3 of the 5 gals who said good night to Red Pill Swallower gave him a friendly good night hug. When it came time to give me a hug, I just did what I always do and put my palm on one of their shoulders or neck bones and gave them the push-off. "Sorry, I don't do PDA" is what I always say.
Whereas he gave them the friendly brotherly hug, I pushed them off because I seriously hate giving in to that hugging bullshit, unless the gal is stacked and she's looking like she is going to whisper to me to meet her up elsewhere after a group splits up. None of those gals were IOIing me at all, mostly because I had a wall up and was more focused on this guy.
What ends up happening? We both get Facebook'd by the new masses (I let them stew for up to a year before accepting, as I do with anyone new), but he gets no play. I get 2 private messages from 2 of the gals saying they had a good time and that we should "all hang out again."
I wonder how much social circle game can be had through just closing the night properly -- even if you don't number close. That "let's hug so I can feel like you're attracted to me" bullshit from platonic women is a dead end for me. No woman has the right to touch me unless she's going to touch me correctly.
What say you?
This guy, who still lacks confidence and self-esteem, showed me a bunch of things he was doing that I realized I don't do, and maybe never did. The one thing that angered me the most, and I don't recall EVER seeing anyone talk about it here when I was sitting on the sidelines is the social circle good night hug that women always seem to offer guys they're not interested in.
Him and I hung out at a pub where I figured he'd do well at getting numbers. Unfortunately, a half hour after we rolled in, a pile of his friends from his regular hood show up unexpectedly. I specifically told him to NOT tell anyone where we were going, so it was truly random luck.
That pile of friends happened to also be hanging out with some coworkers and outside circle friends, so it was fresh meat for this guy to deal with. Some of that fresh meat was looking really good, I'd say 7s all around. I was surprised, because his friends seemed pretty chumpy, and his gal pals were all showing the beer belly.
I told him to take it easy, don't focus on any one person, make the rounds within the group but let's focus on people elsewhere in the bar -- a little social proof from his circle won't hurt. I tried my best to stand down from opening anyone (mostly because my sex life is pretty solid and I don't have time for anyone else), and mostly just watched him peripherally while also just socializing and promoting my Chicago-based businesses where I could.
He fucked up all over the place, but at least he has no deep seated bad habits, he's just a Nice Guy, but he's tall (6'1") and what I'd consider very good looking (8). I'm personally a low 5 and short, so I'd think if I can do gangbusters in social circle game, he could, too.
By night's end (midnight, everyone had to work in the morning), the fresh meat all said their good nights, and 3 of the 5 gals who said good night to Red Pill Swallower gave him a friendly good night hug. When it came time to give me a hug, I just did what I always do and put my palm on one of their shoulders or neck bones and gave them the push-off. "Sorry, I don't do PDA" is what I always say.
Whereas he gave them the friendly brotherly hug, I pushed them off because I seriously hate giving in to that hugging bullshit, unless the gal is stacked and she's looking like she is going to whisper to me to meet her up elsewhere after a group splits up. None of those gals were IOIing me at all, mostly because I had a wall up and was more focused on this guy.
What ends up happening? We both get Facebook'd by the new masses (I let them stew for up to a year before accepting, as I do with anyone new), but he gets no play. I get 2 private messages from 2 of the gals saying they had a good time and that we should "all hang out again."
I wonder how much social circle game can be had through just closing the night properly -- even if you don't number close. That "let's hug so I can feel like you're attracted to me" bullshit from platonic women is a dead end for me. No woman has the right to touch me unless she's going to touch me correctly.
What say you?
