[Deb Auchery]

(03-10-2012 05:06 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(03-10-2012 03:46 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Haha, well she has been going to hospital for another problem which involves getting her blood checked, so i'm ok I think.

They do not check it for STDs in Ukrainian hospitals. I don't think even here in USA they check you for STDs; why would they, they're not going to have bareback sex with you. Anyway only HIV and syphilis could be detected via the blood test. Every other STD requires the urine sample, scrub or visual observation.

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Nope she doesn't do drugs, haven't met a girl who does drugs in Western Ukraine, too conservative here.

Being conservative means they're very good in concealing it, so don't expect to see used syringes or some other crap. I've met a lot of junkies there. The most obvious sign is the drastic mood change, similar to the bipolar disorder.

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First time I slept with her I was too excited about the young flesh so didn't protect myself

It doesn't matter now. Get checked, and tell them you need the paper for the embassy. Otherwise they'll find "something" and "cure" you from it for a nice sum of 500 hryvnas.

Yep probably best I get checked out, I wanted a routine blood check anyway.

The kind of girls I'm seeing are definitely not junkies, and I have seen very little evidence of drug use with any women here

[oldnemesis]

(03-10-2012 06:59 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

The kind of girls I'm seeing are definitely not junkies, and I have seen very little evidence of drug use with any women here

Make sure. Remember that a 16yo junkie doesn't look like a typical trailer park whore you see here in US.

[The Fantasist]

(03-10-2012 06:59 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

The kind of girls I'm seeing are definitely not junkies, and I have seen very little evidence of drug use with any women here

Not only are the girls you are meeting not junkies I would be willing to bet they are also very,very anti drugs. Much more so then the girls in the west. I learnt a long time ago to not share my drug taking past when gaming girls in the FSU. In the West telling a girl about your clubbing days when you were off your face on pills or a a bit of speed is par for the course and won't raise an eyebrow regardless of the circle you are in. In the FSU however mentioning such things can harm your chances as to many girls even more enlightened ones,there is no differentiation between the classes of drugs. So when you say "yeah I used to do some pills occasionally if I went clubbing" she hears "Yeah I'm a Hepatitis carrier and used to whack up skag all the time with my junkie mates". Unless you know the girls better the best policy in my book is to avoid the subject all together.

Every now and then when you talk to the women certain anomalies get thrown up like asking a Russian what her favourite album is. She will have no idea since they don't have the concept of loving an album out there like we do. They love individual songs.

[Deb Auchery]

(03-11-2012 04:29 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(03-10-2012 06:59 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

The kind of girls I'm seeing are definitely not junkies, and I have seen very little evidence of drug use with any women here

Not only are the girls you are meeting not junkies I would be willing to bet they are also very,very anti drugs. Much more so then the girls in the west. I learnt a long time ago to not share my drug taking past when gaming girls in the FSU. In the West telling a girl about your clubbing days when you were off your face on pills or a a bit of speed is par for the course and won't raise an eyebrow regardless of the circle you are in. In the FSU however mentioning such things can harm your chances as to many girls even more enlightened ones,there is no differentiation between the classes of drugs. So when you say "yeah I used to do some pills occasionally if I went clubbing" she hears "Yeah I'm a Hepatitis carrier and used to whack up skag all the time with my junkie mates". Unless you know the girls better the best policy in my book is to avoid the subject all together.

Every now and then when you talk to the women certain anomalies get thrown up like asking a Russian what her favourite album is. She will have no idea since they don't have the concept of loving an album out there like we do. They love individual songs.

Yes the women are very anti-drugs here in Western Ukraine. Weed is pretty hard to come by. Nobody takes speed or pills, why would they?, the clubs here are not the raving type. Cocaine use I imagine is minimal. Heroin, almost exclusively by men, and I have not seen one junkie here.

The amount of 16yr old girls here who are junkies is almost zero

[oldnemesis]

(03-11-2012 04:29 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Not only are the girls you are meeting not junkies I would be willing to bet they are also very,very anti drugs. Much more so then the girls in the west. I learnt a long time ago to not share my drug taking past when gaming girls in the FSU.

Roughly 1.5-2M citizens of Ukraine are frequent drug users

Talking about the drug use is indeed low class. Even junkies there don't talk about it openly. This is because the drug usage is seriously criminalized, and drug users are frequently a target for extortion. A few grams of weed can give you a few years in a local jail - and your words may be used as the evidence. So talking about drug use would be similar to someone in the West talking about how he was stealing cars in the past; you'd think "what kind of idiot this dude is, openly admitting to committing crimes to a person he barely knows?"

[oldnemesis]

(03-11-2012 06:14 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Yes the women are very anti-drugs here in Western Ukraine. Weed is pretty hard to come by. Nobody takes speed or pills, why would they?, the clubs here are not the raving type. Cocaine use I imagine is minimal. Heroin, almost exclusively by men, and I have not seen one junkie here.

There is a bunch of drugs like tramadol and promedol (which are prescription drugs people buy using fake prescriptions). There are homemade drugs made from Papaver somniferum. And the most popular one is precursor to meth called "vint".

Western drugs are indeed not widespread in Ukraine. Why pay for cocaine when marble-flowers are grown on every field nearby for free, and every second junkie could make "vint" from pseudoephedrine?

[Deb Auchery]

(03-11-2012 08:27 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(03-11-2012 06:14 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Yes the women are very anti-drugs here in Western Ukraine. Weed is pretty hard to come by. Nobody takes speed or pills, why would they?, the clubs here are not the raving type. Cocaine use I imagine is minimal. Heroin, almost exclusively by men, and I have not seen one junkie here.

There is a bunch of drugs like tramadol and promedol (which are prescription drugs people buy using fake prescriptions). There are homemade drugs made from Papaver somniferum. And the most popular one is precursor to meth called "vint".

Western drugs are indeed not widespread in Ukraine. Why pay for cocaine when marble-flowers are grown on every field nearby for free, and every second junkie could make "vint" from pseudoephedrine?

To get back to the point, what exactly do prescription drug junkie teenage girls have to do with STD's?

[oldnemesis]

(03-12-2012 09:27 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

To get back to the point, what exactly do prescription drug junkie teenage girls have to do with STD's?

The "vint" (a meth-type) drug increases one's sexual desire and lowers the inhibitions, so the girls taking it usually end up in a train (and enjoy it; wiki says the effect ). This also gives them the access to the drug which otherwise costs money. And the junkies who save on syringes don't waste money on condoms either.

Five sex partners a 16yo admitted to is A LOT for a girl in Western Ukraine.

[Deb Auchery]

(03-12-2012 09:59 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(03-12-2012 09:27 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

To get back to the point, what exactly do prescription drug junkie teenage girls have to do with STD's?

The "vint" (a meth-type) drug increases one's sexual desire and lowers the inhibitions, so the girls taking it usually end up in a train (and enjoy it; wiki says the effect ). This also gives them the access to the drug which otherwise costs money. And the junkies who save on syringes don't waste money on condoms either.

Five sex partners a 16yo admitted to is A LOT for a girl in Western Ukraine.

So basically because she is the saving money type then she is more likely to be infected with and STD. Perhaps I should watch out for girls who drink the cheapest beer here.

You sound a lot like a certain Greek.

Five isn't a lot considering she lost her virginity at 14. I know two of the guys.

[Ami5]

^^

Average number of partners for a Ukrainian girl is not that high like in the West.
At least she wouldn't admit it to you.

I know four 20 year old girls and two 16/17 year old girls.
Their number - at least what they admitted - is 3/4 and 2.

[oldnemesis]

(03-13-2012 03:36 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

So basically because she is the saving money type then she is more likely to be infected with and STD. Perhaps I should watch out for girls who drink the cheapest beer here.

Looks like you're trying very hard to misinterpret everything I say.
Therefore I see no reason to talk to you anymore. Peace.

[Greek kamaki]

I agree with oldnemesis here.There are Ukrainian junkies but they hide it it is not so obvious like in the West.A common way to understand who is junky is to notice guys wearing shirts or blouses with long sleeves in the summer.They do it to cover the injection marks on their arms.They are usually very thin.

Anyway in countries where alcoholism is heavy like Poland Ukraine the number of junkies is lower than in countries where alcoholism is not so high(example Mediteranean countries where hot climate makes drinking relatively intolerant).For example in Greece we have a huge number of narcomans(obvious in the streets) and a relatively low percentage of alcoholics.In Ukraine and Poland you see exactly the opposite.Lots of alcoholics in the streets almost no narcomans injecting stuff.

It is highly suspected that the gene causing alcoholism and heroine addiction is the same.

[Deb Auchery]

(03-13-2012 04:50 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(03-13-2012 03:36 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

So basically because she is the saving money type then she is more likely to be infected with and STD. Perhaps I should watch out for girls who drink the cheapest beer here.

Looks like you're trying very hard to misinterpret everything I say.
Therefore I see no reason to talk to you anymore. Peace.

Sure, i'm trying very hard to not understand you. Makes perfect sense

Gosh I will miss your advice.

[Deb Auchery]

(03-13-2012 05:03 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

I agree with oldnemesis here.There are Ukrainian junkies but they hide it it is not so obvious like in the West.A common way to understand who is junky is to notice guys wearing shirts or blouses with long sleeves in the summer.They do it to cover the injection marks on their arms.They are usually very thin.

Anyway in countries where alcoholism is heavy like Poland Ukraine the number of junkies is lower than in countries where alcoholism is not so high(example Mediteranean countries where hot climate makes drinking relatively intolerant).For example in Greece we have a huge number of narcomans(obvious in the streets) and a relatively low percentage of alcoholics.In Ukraine and Poland you see exactly the opposite.Lots of alcoholics in the streets almost no narcomans injecting stuff.

It is highly suspected that the gene causing alcoholism and heroine addiction is the same.

Yeah guys, not 16yr old girls, almost certainly not in W Ukraine

[The Fantasist]

Without wanting to get into a long debate on the matter,I think people have misunderstood the point we were making.

Nobody is saying that there is no drug use in the Ukraine,that would be ridiculous. The point Deb and myself are making is that drug use in our target group of females is very very low. Far lower then in the West. For example in the UK I would hazard to guess that every one of the girls I have ever slept with from 16 year olds through to milfs have experimented with drugs in some way,whether that be just trying a joint at a party once through to being regular coke or pill users at some point in their lives. And that is regardless of their social staus/class. Most of my GF's have been university educated and from upwardly mobile middle class families, definitely not under class junkies. Drug use is rife in our countries. In the Western Ukraine however drug use is not so widespread through such a swathe of society.

Oldnemesis you said this:

Talking about the drug use is indeed low class. Even junkies there don't talk about it openly. This is because the drug usage is seriously criminalized, and drug users are frequently a target for extortion. A few grams of weed can give you a few years in a local jail - and your words may be used as the evidence. So talking about drug use would be similar to someone in the West talking about how he was stealing cars in the past; you'd think "what kind of idiot this dude is, openly admitting to committing crimes to a person he barely knows?"

I'm afraid I disagree strongly.

The reason girls don't talk about drugs,it has nothing to do with the draconian laws. Do you really think that my Belarusian GF will be too scared to share a conversation with me about smoking weed in case I call the cops?? The reason they don't talk about drugs is because they don't do drugs and are in fact anti drugs! The fact is that unless you are targeting alcoholic Gypsy school drop outs then your chances of banging chicks with a history of drug usage in that part of the world are pretty damn low. FAR lower then in my own country for example.

I don't think I have any more to add to the debate so I shall bow out now.

[oldnemesis]

(03-13-2012 06:48 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Sure, i'm trying very hard to not understand you. Makes perfect sense

Yeah, it makes as much sense as "money saving junkie".

[oldnemesis]

(03-14-2012 03:12 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

The reason girls don't talk about drugs,it has nothing to do with the draconian laws. Do you really think that my Belarusian GF will be too scared to share a conversation with me about smoking weed in case I call the cops??

Do you think if she was stealing cars or participated in robberies she'd share a conversation with you about it? Even if she was sure you wouldn't call cops?

What would she gain from admitting doing drugs to you?

[The Fantasist]

(03-14-2012 05:25 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(03-14-2012 03:12 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

The reason girls don't talk about drugs,it has nothing to do with the draconian laws. Do you really think that my Belarusian GF will be too scared to share a conversation with me about smoking weed in case I call the cops??

Do you think if she was stealing cars or participated in robberies she'd share a conversation with you about it? Even if she was sure you wouldn't call cops?

What would she gain from admitting doing drugs to you?

What?! I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be rude but I find your logic in this thread impossible to deal with. We have obviously had completely different levels of trust in our relationships. You honestly want me to believe that a girl that has moved into my home with me,that I have known intimately,travelled with and have shared deep secrets with has been too scared to tell me that she may have smoked a joint once in case I call the Ukrainian cops???! Sure,ok.

Honestly oldnemesis you can reply whatever you like but I shall not read this thread again because your world view is radically different to mine so we shall not see eye to eye. I do wonder if you have ever had a girlfriend in the FSU because your ideas about the women are not something I recognise from my experiences there.

Good day.

[worldwidetraveler]

(03-14-2012 06:01 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

You honestly want me to believe that a girl that has moved into my home with me,that I have known intimately,travelled with and have shared deep secrets with has been too scared to tell me that she may have smoked a joint once in case I call the Ukrainian cops???! Sure,ok.

You are being naive to think a woman won't lie to you just because you fucked and lived with her.

She won't tell you because of the stigma behind using drugs.

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I do wonder if you have ever had a girlfriend in the FSU because your ideas about the women are not something I recognise from my experiences there.

Oldnemesis is from Ukraine.

[Greek kamaki]

To me some Ukrainian women admitted use of amphetamines.They called it a bit different maybe it was the vint oldnemesis mentioned.They also told me about making narcotics from drugs sold in pharmacy I did not pay any attention at that time it was a bit mystical to me.

[oldnemesis]

(03-14-2012 06:01 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

You honestly want me to believe that a girl that has moved into my home with me,that I have known intimately,travelled with and have shared deep secrets with has been too scared to tell me that she may have smoked a joint once in case I call the Ukrainian cops???!

This is because for you admitting to smoking some weed is not a big deal. Here in the US it is not looked down, it is actually cool. This is different for Ukraine (partly because the anti-drug laws are really enforced against it too, partly because the overall culture is very anti-drugs). Think of gay republican politics who're publicly anti-gay.

So let me ask you a question: if you did something you consider really embarrassing (like being fucked in the ass by another dude), would you be very opened up about this experience with every one of your girl friends just because you fucked her a few times and she moved in with you? She wouldn't even call cops in that case, so would you still share that kind of embarrassing experience with her?

[oldnemesis]

(03-14-2012 06:53 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

To me some Ukrainian women admitted use of amphetamines.They called it a bit different maybe it was the vint oldnemesis mentioned.They also told me about making narcotics from drugs sold in pharmacy

Yes, that's probably the most widespread drug in Ukraine. Vint is a shitty form of meth (wikipedia just redirects the article to methamphetamine but it is not) and is made from the pseudoephedrine (mostly anti-cough drugs). This is why they're so widespread, five junkies out of ten know how to make it and all the ingredients are available in the general store.

[Deb Auchery]

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Looks like you're trying very hard to misinterpret everything I say.
Therefore I see no reason to talk to you anymore. Peace.
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Couldn't bite your tongue for long clearly.

Drug use in Western Ukraine is significantly lower than in the South and East. And there are almost no 16yr female junkies, prescription drugs or otherwise. And how your claims can relate to the original point of STD's is still unclear

[worldwidetraveler]

(03-15-2012 05:59 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Couldn't bite your tongue for long clearly.

Drug use in Western Ukraine is significantly lower than in the South and East. And there are almost no 16yr female junkies, prescription drugs or otherwise. And how your claims can relate to the original point of STD's is still unclear

He already answered this so I am assuming you are just trying to be obtuse.

How does a 16 year old girl get prescription drugs or any other drugs for that matter?

[Greek kamaki]

I think they get the drugs from prescriptions for their babushkas.That is what they told me if I remember well.Barbiturates are still used in Ukraine if I am not mistaken.