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Stockholm. Recommended.

First, to dispel the myth: it is not bursting at the seams with superhotties. In fact, 8.5s and 9s were almost totally absent. However, there are far, far more 7's and 8's than in New York. They are in plenty and are out everywhere. Lithe is not the norm, either. The girls are on average sturdier and thicker through the thighs, hips, and ass than New York girls, but they are IN SHAPE. Firm, bouncy asses were everywhere, paired with shapely, muscular upper legs. Coming back to New York, I saw women with asses that seemed nicer and rounder on first glance, but lacked the bouncy, below-surface muscular firmness you start to take for granted in Stockholm. The swedish facial bone structure is also way above average; pretty (short of beautiful) faces were everywhere. Finally, women commonly keep their lovely bodies into middle age (judging by the number I saw), although their faces betray their age as anywhere else. In sum: shapely, pretty cuties in abundance, but no trophy stunners.

Also important: EVERYONE speaks English. It is compulsory from primary school on. Some resent having had to learn it, but this is negated by the fact that being from New York confers status in Stockholm.

There are basically two areas to go out in Stockholm, Ostermalm (especially Stureplan) and Sodermalm. Stureplan is like the meatpacking district; Soldermalm the Lower East Side. A monsoon hit Thursday night, so that left us with Friday and Saturday nights to do damage.

My friend and I gathered information from half a dozen local girls before going out on the weekend, ascertaining that Spybar and O-baran in Stureplan, and F-12 just south of Stureplan were the coolest and hottest spots (all are listed in the Timeout Guide to Stockholm, which was on point). We did not make these spots.

We were on our way to Spybar to meet our friends when we walked by a bar/club that looked hopping early (10 pm). Keep in mind that, because of paternalistic sin taxes, a drink in Stockholm is more expensive than even New York. So people pre-party with friends until about midnight and then head out, already buzzed. The place we found was Cafe Opera, in Ostermalm (close to F12), and which we found out later from local sources was one of the newer super hotspots. Luckily, we got there before the cover applied, which was 30 bucks.

Right off I struck up a conversation with a cutie, and it went well from the getgo. My friend chatted up her friend. I had made the sale and my girl invited me to go with them to the next bar, but I spied the hordes of hotties coming in and decided to take my chances and go for an even hotter girl (being 9 fingers deep in tequila affected this decision I think). The rest of the night is kind of a blur, but I could not get another conversation going beyond five minutes. The crowd definitely gave off an insular vibe. My friend, less drunk and more ambitious, nevertheless got blown out hard about a dozen times (his bar game is just average). A word on style: I was dressed crisply, slim suit pants and fitted designer shirt, but so was every single other dude (except they had well cut sportjackets). There was not even a remotely shlubby guy there. My usual advantage in looks and style did nothing to make me stand out. My other two friends, who we never did meet up with that night, also reported total lack of success in Stureplan.

The next night, four strong now, we hit Bar 54 in Soldermalm. We were a mixed group: two white guys, a black guy, and a Colombian-American guy. The Colombian guy regularly kills it in New York based on his exotic good looks alone. True to form, a girl walked in and immediately threw herself on him without a word; however, she was older (though with a tight body) and, we learned, married. This love was not to be duplicated. Again, we all had trouble sparking conversations; the spot was great -- a dancefloor, two bars, and plenty of hot girls, but the best group was in a lockout circle than no one in the bar could penetrate.

We moved on, by word of mouth recommendation, to a bar/club in a decommissioned boat floating next to Gamla Stan (the old city). The place was called Patricia and it was exploding at 3 a.m. It had about five floors, a bunch of rooms, several dancefloors, and a line out the door. The feel was immediately different; people were sloppy, there was some sort of costume theme, and there were a lot of thug-affecting english dudes (Gamla Stan is the tourist district). My Colombian friend and I went to work and chatted up many women (our other friends had faded into exhaustion), and the reception was much better. Still, nothing stuck until I went to the dancefloor and pulled two girls off of it, one of whom was hot and the other not quite (a bona fide 5). This was at 430 am, yet these girls invited me (in that subtle girl way) to invite them to my nearby hotel after about 20 minutes of conversation. I did and we went, but since I had gifted my friend the hottie, I was just entertaining myself at this point. We did some tequila and they left at 8 am.

Not quite the end of the story. The friend I was staying with is a day game specialist and tried his hand; he did well but the collapsed time frame (he didn't start doing day stuff until Saturday and we left Monday morning) hurt him. Girls told him that guys never approach in the daytime and that they were impressed and pleased that he had done so. Advantage New Yorker. For my own part, I observed that girls would steal glances and even give eyes with awesome frequency. I concluded that this is a function of Swedish men's daytime pusillanimity; since there is no danger of approach, women are emboldened to stare and play coy games -- no bitch shield necessary to ward off unwanted approaches. With a reasonable time frame, you could clean up just by day approaches, and certainly find several networks to plug into at the very least.
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With a reasonable time frame, you could clean up just by day approaches

This is beautiful to hear. In addition to the girl speaking english i imagine just running my normal day game on them.

Based on the responses you got from the swedish girls, how would you rate compared to other countries you've been to on ease of hooking up/banging?

My Swedish friend said that a guy with dark features (like myself) should do relatively well there. Same for iceland.
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Great write-up! A Latino guy I know says he did pretty good there.
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Great and spot on on swedish women.
I have never seen a real 9 from Sweden, but they are fun to be with once you penetrate their viking circle of friends.

Regarding SE as a place where darker skinned guys can succeed is just to a point. My best friend is swedish and we shared a house in The Netherlands while studying, he told me and later I found out, that swedish women do find mediterranean men attractive (specially italians and some spanish) but since Sweden had become so cosmopolitan since the 60s with a lot of turkish, greek and chilean inmigration, chances for slightly darker dudes have reduced in recent decades, because they are no longer exotic.
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Thanks for the great report!

Roosh chances for a dark skinned guy to look exotic in Copenhagen is litle. It´s already full of black people and arabs, so tanned guys don´t stand out in the crowd. A girl from a department store started to talk danish to a friend of mine that is typical south european (dark hair, dark eyes), probably because she thought he was arab. As for girls the ones riding bikes are definitely hot, but in the night so so. Day game (in a Macdonalds) worked for a friend of mine.
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Flashman,

I hear that one of the many reasons Sweden (and other similar Scandinavian/Northern European countries) are so awesome for PU is that the guys there are COMPLETE chodes/AFCs with absolutely no semblance of game whatsoever (I'm sure there's a few exceptions, but I'm talking about the other 95%). I've heard that it's really rare for a Swedish guy to even a approach a girl in a bar or a club, let alone during the day, and even rarer for him to be direct when he does it, so therefore when a foreigner goes there and does this, properly, aggressively, with good game it just REALLY sticks out in a very good way. In short, what I keep hearing is that there's lots of hot girls and almost NO competition from the local guys, would you roughly agree with this?
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Based on the responses you got from the swedish girls, how would you rate compared to other countries you've been to on ease of hooking up/banging?

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Well, I was there for so little time it is hard to say, but I can make an educated guess. The fact that those two girls (one hot) came with me and my friend to my hotel, with almost no prompting and within an hour of knowing them, is pretty unusual and telling. It is a feminist culture so there is no stigma to women hooking up. People, including girls, drink to excess more so than here – suggesting a will to surrender to pleasure and “risky” behavior. I don’t know where the night would have led with the girl from Friday night, but all signs were go at that early juncture. I flirted with a shopgirl, and I had her hooked quickly (fell through, sigh). I didn’t get the vibe that girls were flakes; they seemed sincere and not game-playing. On the other hand, I got the feeling that most hookups came from social circle interaction (think Jersey Shore here), so they might have some instinctive resistance to hooking up with a relative stranger (that is, get your comfort game in good shape).

The place had the same feel as Panama City (a city of comparable size)as far as ease of banging goes, except the pool of English speakers is much larger in Stockholm.

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My Swedish friend said that a guy with dark features (like myself) should do relatively well there.

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I had heard the same thing. All I can say is that my Latino friend had to work harder to generate interest than in New York, and my black friend got zero attention -- although he did no approaches out of sheer present sexual satisfaction. Race did not appear to be an advantage or disadvantage. I think it is status, game, looks, and race, in that order. Much like New York.

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In short, what I keep hearing is that there's lots of hot girls and almost NO competition from the local guys, would you roughly agree with this?

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As I mentioned, the dudes are generally very good looking and dress very well. They also have alpha body language and generally come across as mild assholes. So they have the basics, in far greater numbers that guys have the basics in New York. But I think social norms cripple them a bit, because I saw much less approaching as I would expect. Most interactions seemed to occur among people already acquainted. I have no idea how guys act when they actually settle into an interaction, whether they have game or not, but my teasing/aloofness schtick, when I had an audition, definitely won hearts and minds and vaginas. I did get the impression that my style had not been encountered much. Also, the guys apparently never approach during the day. That is the real area where a guy with game could exploit Swedish culture. Cafes and bookstores are everywhere. They are so quiet, like a library!

Bonus info:

I reprint the relevant parts of an email from one of my friends, who went on to Oslo:

it is very sunny here today so i hit to the streets. i was very impressed. the city is very concentrated and it was one upper 7 after the next. it is even better than stockholm due to the concentration of people. it was not that easy to find a 9. i found one and stopped her immediately. asking for a place to go out is money. this one seemed in a hurry but still gave me 5 mins of chatting time. there is not one single place to go on a wednesday night here. i stopped 7 girls and asked the question. i sometimes stopped as many as 3 at once. they all were cute of course. i had a hard time detecting interest so i did not push the issue much. although it seems like a waste, i was able to do 7 cold approaches on very attractive girls in 30 mins time. i could walk nyc for 3 hours and not get a nibble.

if i were here one more day i would change up the game. i would basically go direct and ask them to meet up with me for a drink or something.
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Just came back from Stockholm, Helsinki and Tallinn (couldn´t go to Oslo because of a fucking boring business meeting), from all three, again Eastern Europe wins. Tallinn is the shit. Man Roosh before setling with a quality girl go to Eastern Europe, tanned guys are gods there I imagine that in scandinavia it was also like that before the huge waves of imigration.
Second clearly Stockholm, definitely a lot of hotties. Been with a girl cousin 34 years old as wingman so enough said. Couldn´t check the places mentioned in the report, cause I had to follow my cousin. Been to a bar called East and another called Bern´s both Ok.
I will definitely hit Stockholm again with a good wingman.
Besides girls Stocholm as a lot to see, definitely worth seeing. I was lucky, it was 2 degrees, but sunny... You feel your in the right place when it´s 2 degrees and girls wear miniskirts.
Stockholm´s best weeknight acording to my cousin is wednesday, they called it litle saturday.
In Helsinki there´s not much to see, besides some monuments. I was there only 16 hours. Finish people, in my opinion, tend to be a litle strange, girls are ok, but nothing compared to Stockholm or Tallinn. I had a friend waiting but he was sick. Anyway managed to go with him to a bar in a thursday, acording to him wednesday is also the best night. Apart that finish hate russians but have a statue of a russian emperor and a russian church in the center, again strange.
From Helsinki by boat to Tallinn. Funny image a lot of finish coming back from Tallinn stacked with booze, it´s much cheaper in Estonia.
In the boat I started to feel the eastern europe flavour (although Estonia is culturally scandinavian). Amazing girls staring and smiling at me. I had a girl waiting for me at the port, so I had to hold my instincts.
Been to a bar called "VS" eating a good steak and beers (10 euros total) and a club named Hollywood. When I was in the club I thought to myself that going with that girl there was like taking sand to a beach... The medieval center of Tallinn is worth seing although one afternoon is more than enough.
Been to other places of Estonia. Nice landscapes.
Roosh again you have to hit up eastern europe, after March is when the weather starts to get warmer.
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Pepini,

I have been hearing tons of good things about Tallinn lately.

How are costs?

How was the weather this time of year?

When would be the best to go? May?
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Roosh again you have to hit up eastern europe, after March is when the weather starts to get warmer.

Yeah I'm start to think seriously about going there soon.
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if you like tall thin white girls i really cant recommend eastern europe highly enough. plus its cheap in most places.
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Quote: (11-04-2009 07:38 PM)Pepini Wrote:  

From Helsinki by boat to Tallinn. Funny image a lot of finish coming back from Tallinn stacked with booze, it´s much cheaper in Estonia.
In the boat I started to feel the eastern europe flavour (although Estonia is culturally scandinavian). Amazing girls staring and smiling at me. I had a girl waiting for me at the port, so I had to hold my instincts.
Been to a bar called "VS" eating a good steak and beers (10 euros total) and a club named Hollywood. When I was in the club I thought to myself that going with that girl there was like taking sand to a beach... The medieval center of Tallinn is worth seing although one afternoon is more than enough.
Been to other places of Estonia. Nice landscapes.
Roosh again you have to hit up eastern europe, after March is when the weather starts to get warmer.

Tallinn really is a cool city. What Pepini said about the Finns buying booze in bulk in the Estonian port is completely true. You see a bunch of guys with trolleys packed to the brim with Estonian vodka and beer. The ferry ride is only 2 hours, but there's a "route" that takes 3.5 hours and then docks in the harbor for the night. It's a cheap weekend out for the Finns.

10 Euros for a steak seems a bit cheap to me, even for Tallinn. I've been to Tallinn 4 or 5 times now and I don't think I've ever eaten lunch in the center for less than 10-15 dollars.

Tallinn is a great city to travel to because everyone knows English. It's similar to Helsinki and Stockholm in that respect, but about 50% less expensive.
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Pepini,

I have been hearing tons of good things about Tallinn lately.

How are costs?
- When you arrive from Stockholm and Helsinki it looks pretty cheap. I can´t give you a good answer about Tallinn because I only spent there one night and one afternoon, because I was with a local and went traveling around the country with her. Outside capitals things are normally cheaper.

How was the weather this time of year?
- Cold, but sunny, between 0-4degrees. I can tell you that when I arrived to Portugal I felt it was summer.
http://www.google.pt/search?hl=pt-PT&sou...=&aq=f&oq=
Now I think it started snowing.

When would be the best to go? May?
- I had some friends that went two years ago to Estonia in the last week of July, they said Tallinn was empty, but Parnu, the local beach resort was full of hotties, there was a club called Sunset, one of them saw the most beautiful girls in his life. This girl I was with also took me to another beach resort, now it was empty but in summer there´s queues to go to clubs. When I arrive to this beach I realised the water didn´t moove. It was frozen...
I guess that if you want to visit the city Tallinn, May or end of September are good options. For the beach July.

Eric about the prices I guess it was around 10 euros. My friend told me that 150 Estonian Krones were 10 euros, so from what I remenber I payed around that, maybe some krones more, but i´m pretty sure it was around that.
I guess it always come down on what you order.
Also don´t forget the differences between euros and dollars
1 euro=1,4 dolars
10 euros=14.8 dollars.

Some more information:
There are not a lot of low costs to go to Tallinn. I came back with Easyjet from Tallinn to London, there´s also Norwegian from Oslo. Or Ryanair to Riga and after Bus to Tallinn.
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Tallinn could probably fill its own thread, but I'd say that the best time to go is late Spring. As Pepini said, the entire country spends the summer in Pärnu so the cities are pretty empty.
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