[Pilgrim37]

The question is do the Danish women hate and care enough to buy the book and allow Roosh to laugh all the way to the bank ,and then to his own "Puuusy paradise " elsewhere in Europe ,paid for courtesy of Danish lady hate?

If they do...don't forget to post a big THANK YOU WOMEN OF DENMARK on your Facebook accompanied by a picture of a 10 sitting on your lap in Kiev nightclub!

[Jordan]

The Tom Leykis Show would be the perfect place for a Roosh interview. He goes back on the air in April.

[Hooligan Harry]

Good work Roosh. I hope this spurs you on further. While the game related stuff adds a lot of value, your social commentary is really driving the nail home with a lot of people and that more than anything is what has garnered you so much main stream publicity I think.

[Sourcecode]

lol im still in denmark now.
chicks arent downright ugly...but it seems maybe after like a certain age they just get ugly as fuck.
i see lots of ok chicks and conclude that they are actually underaged...

style here for sure is fucked up. again to me the roosh kinda exxagerated on style. not everyone dresses like there insane grandma.
a good number look normal.

it could be that is colder? i dont know.. but you can dress to insane if you dont wanna freeze.
im typing off my cell phone on wifi so im not really typing with great english.

but i can try to talk about stuff here an there.
haha ill post my night life story when i get back to germany

[ElJefe]

Where are you?

[Sourcecode]

btw.. yea.. 30 or 40 whatever minute ride to malmo sweden is worth it.
soon as i got off the train i could see fields of far more attractive chicks.

including women in there 50s still out in high heals on cobblestone.
thats always a good thing..

** like i said. ill try to give a more detailed and better written rundown of the bars ect that i went to and my experience when i get back home

[Basil Ransom]

Roosh posted this on his twitter - http://go.tv2.dk/articledag/id-48077046:...ml?forside

That guy reminds me of one of the things that I saw among Danish men, and why I hated those guilty of it. Even when they make an act of agreeing with you, they are subtly undermining you at every opportunity. Denmark is the world capital of passive-aggressiveness. My friends tease me all the time, but it's warm and light-hearted. When the Danes would do it, they do it in this cold, higher-than-thou attitude that's almost imperceptible, and it feels like a personal attack. Once you realize what's happening, you want to get the fuck away.

If you look at what that guy wrote in response to Roosh, he says effectively, "Roosh is right, if your frame of comparison is Danish women to American women." And then he goes on to subtly trash American women albeit for the wrong reasons. So you're convinced that American women suck, as his little barbs are supposed to do. Now you're thinking, "Hey, it's not so bad that Danish women are different from American women."

Actually, this passive-agressive style is actually a lot like what the blogger Ricky Raw profiled in his visit to Europe. http://therawness.com/my-european-trip-p...rontation/ Great description.

My history's not so good, but they seemed to be weirdly proud of the fact that they were Very Unhappy with the Nazi occupation of Denmark, where their resistance consisted mostly of frowning at their overlords.

This isn't true of all Danes, but it's a strain I saw among the people. Another thing that would happen, more to my friends than me due to a difference in circumstances, that Danes would pretend to be your friends when they're drunk, and then go on to completely ignore you and avoid you once they were sober. I had a couple friends at a folk school, and there were two groups - the ethnic Danes, and 'Other,' consisting of Americans, Arabs, Africans and other foreigners. I was told they only really interacted when the booze was flowing, aside from a couple friendly Danes.

Edit: Just to clarify, that guy's argument is BS because Roosh is comparing Danish women to a wide range of women, from Argentines to Poles. To the extent that he compares them specifically to American women, it's along the lines of, "American women are already worse than women from practically everywhere else, and the Danes are even worse."

If that guy had actually acknowledged that Roosh knew more than just American girls, he'd be forced to agree that Danish women are bottom of the barrel, or disagree with Roosh. This is actually at the heart of Ricky Raw's strategy for dealing with passive-aggressive types - force them into a confrontation. Instead, this guy plays this pussy passive-aggressive ploy so he can have it both ways. Once you strip away the passive-aggressive agreement, it's a basic strawman argument.

[Caligula]

(02-11-2012 01:25 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

Roosh posted this on his twitter - http://go.tv2.dk/articledag/id-48077046:...ml?forside

That guy reminds me of one of the things that I saw among Danish men, and why I hated those guilty of it. Even when they make an act of agreeing with you, they are subtly undermining you at every opportunity. Denmark is the world capital of passive-aggressiveness. My friends tease me all the time, but it's warm and light-hearted. When the Danes would do it, they do it in this cold, higher-than-thou attitude that's almost imperceptible, and it feels like a personal attack. Once you realize what's happening, you want to get the fuck away.

If you look at what that guy wrote in response to Roosh, he says effectively, "Roosh is right, if your frame of comparison is Danish women to American women." And then he goes on to subtly trash American women albeit for the wrong reasons. So you're convinced that American women suck, as his little barbs are supposed to do. Now you're thinking, "Hey, it's not so bad that Danish women are different from American women."

Actually, this passive-agressive style is actually a lot like what the blogger Ricky Raw profiled in his visit to Europe. http://therawness.com/my-european-trip-p...rontation/ Great description.

My history's not so good, but they seemed to be weirdly proud of the fact that they were Very Unhappy with the Nazi occupation of Denmark, where their resistance consisted mostly of frowning at their overlords.

This isn't true of all Danes, but it's a strain I saw among the people.

Great observation. Look at the comments on Roosh's Facebook page - they make ample use of what I call the passive-agressive smiley. They take a blatant shot and then suffix it with or - it's very annoying.

Guys do this too. Fits right into what Ricky Raw calls the BMOG. Girls are expected to do this, they're generally uncomfortable with direct confrontation. But when a guy does it it's such a bitch move that I can't help but take the bait and call him out on it. Of course they have plausible deniability because it was so indirect and can scurry right back into their shell of sarcasm and moral superiority.

Happened to me recently with a German dude whom I consider a friend. Not a close friend, but a friend nonetheless. He started making indirect, snarky comments about a girl I've been involved with. First I was puzzled thinking is he really saying this? Then I called him out on it, asking him what the fuck he was trying to say. He backtracked and said nothing, he didn't know what I was talking about. Then half an hour later he came clean and apologized to me for commenting on things that were none of his business. I told him I appreciated his saying so and not to worry about it. But that's a rare outcome.

Examples from Roosh's FB page:

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Michelle - next time you might shave! ! THANKS

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Ditte - I dont say we dont care about hygeine (because most of us do!!), but I find those, who dosent wear make up every single day amazing! It is self esteem to show how u really look like. And it is not healty for our skin to wear make up every day

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Randi - You just walked in to a gay bar in Copenhagen

[ElJefe]

Caligula and Basil just put into words what I subconciously knew but never would've been able to describe. It's important to avoid self-righteousness, this debate has way too much of it...

But fuck those were some super sharp observations! +1!!!

Response article:

http://go.tv2.dk/articledag/id-48104909:...exede.html

It's a summary of the bitches going ape-shit. This is the best comment from a girl calle Sabrina, she says the obvious:

"Just look at how everyone is going crazy over what one man thinks instead of just laughing it off. Danish men like Danish women, so why should anyone care?"

That is the essence of the argument. Danish men are too dumb to know what they don't have. One guy I do know prefers Danes inspite of having met others does it simply because he owns a bar, fucks like a rock star and knows with Danes raw-dogging is no problem. He has no patience for Latinas and their prudence...

Hopefully in a couple of weeks Danish women who criticized Roosh will realize how incredibly stupid they've been.

[Basil Ransom]

(02-11-2012 02:21 PM)ElJefe Wrote:  

That is the essence of the argument. Danish men are too dumb to know what they don't have.

That's true of American men too. American men don't know what femininity or girlishness is. When you ask them what they think it means, they'll say, "oh you mean like being high maintenance and flaky?" Even if he were a dyed in the wool white knight, he is, in effect, a true misogynist. His only conception of women as separate from men is negative, because he doesn't know better. When I try to explain what femininity is, I can't even think of a popular movie star or character who embodies it *extremely* well, to the point where the first thing you'd say is, "wow, she is girly." The girls who do are invariably minor characters.

American men have vicarious penis envy. Femininity is this lower, non-existent form of being to them. He secretly wanted a son, but he was too pussy to admit that to himself, so he treats his daughter like she has a penis. On Super Bowl Sunday, I could hear a neighboring 5 year old girl screaming "Patriots you suck! Patriots you suck!" At first the dad cheered her, and then started to stammer awkwardly as he realized the ugliness he was promoting. American women are flawed, but I'd trust our daughters in their hands much sooner than I would in the hands of our men.

And really, this is the problem with anyone who hasn't been properly educated. Sometimes, things are just better than others, but it may take some experience and learning to see it. When it comes to the things they hold dear, to things of which they spend their entire lives studying and enjoying, people often have a very clear idea of what is good and what isn't, whether it's cars, women, or gourmet cuisine. There are different tastes sure, but within them you'll find some things are better than others. If men aren't exposed to the good things like femininity, they'll never want them. It's hard to elucidate a desire for something you've never felt.

[Caligula]

(02-11-2012 02:58 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 02:21 PM)ElJefe Wrote:  

That is the essence of the argument. Danish men are too dumb to know what they don't have.

On Super Bowl Sunday, I could hear a neighboring 5 year old girl screaming "Patriots you suck! Patriots you suck!" At first the dad cheered her, and then started to stammer awkwardly as he realized the ugliness he was promoting. American women are flawed, but I'd trust our daughters in their hands much sooner than I would in the hands of our men.

Hah. Big contrast to Europe. A couple of years ago I was in Rome. A family friend invited me to his house on a Sunday night to watch soccer. He was there with six friends watching the game. They shouted the dirtiest, most elaborate profanities at the TV. When his ten year old daughter came into the room they all toned it down and kept it clean. Then when she left they went back to it.

[ElJefe]

(02-11-2012 02:58 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 02:21 PM)ElJefe Wrote:  

That is the essence of the argument. Danish men are too dumb to know what they don't have.

That's true of American men too. American men don't know what femininity or girlishness is. When you ask them what they think it means, they'll say, "oh you mean like being high maintenance and flaky?" Even if he were a dyed in the wool white knight, he is, in effect, a true misogynist. His only conception of women as separate from men is negative, because he doesn't know better. When I try to explain what femininity is, I can't even think of a popular movie star or character who embodies it *extremely* well, to the point where the first thing you'd say is, "wow, she is girly." The girls who do are invariably minor characters.

American men have vicarious penis envy. Femininity is this lower, non-existent form of being to them. He secretly wanted a son, but he was too pussy to admit that to himself, so he treats his daughter like she has a penis. On Super Bowl Sunday, I could hear a neighboring 5 year old girl screaming "Patriots you suck! Patriots you suck!" At first the dad cheered her, and then started to stammer awkwardly as he realized the ugliness he was promoting. American women are flawed, but I'd trust our daughters in their hands much sooner than I would in the hands of our men.

And really, this is the problem with anyone who hasn't been properly educated. Sometimes, things are just better than others, but it may take some experience and learning to see it. When it comes to the things they hold dear, to things of which they spend their entire lives studying and enjoying, people often have a very clear idea of what is good and what isn't, whether it's cars, women, or gourmet cuisine. There are different tastes sure, but within them you'll find some things are better than others. If men aren't exposed to the good things like femininity, they'll never want them. It's hard to elucidate a desire for something you've never felt.

So for my sake and that of the retarded Danish women who criticized Roosh and can't see how fucked up they are, what is femininty? In your words.

[ElJefe]

In the premium Danish intellectual weekly, called "The Weekend Paper", they came back at Roosh. I will scan and add the article here in due course.

I'm sorely tempted to write a rebuttal, but since my game is only "intermediate" I reckon I better not.

[Scott]

Well it's funny that you mention rebuttals and the like ElJefe, because I don't really see the point in them in this case.

At its core, Don't Bang... is a compendium of cleverly-written observations about a single society, written by an outsider who has had a lot of experience in picking up chicks in plenty of other locations in the world. You either agree with the sentiments expressed in the book, or you disagree with them. End of story. If some crappy 'intellectual' paper disagrees with the book, then fine - but who cares what they think?

This is basically Game anthropology. Roosh is a university professor going out and exploring a primitive tribal village and then writing home about it to his like-minded colleagues back at the college department. Now the tribe have gotten hold of a copy of the book, taken parts of it out of context and are reacting to those observations like primitives. Instead of throwing spears and slinging rocks they have resorted to posting passive-aggressive comments on Facebook because they feel their pride has been wounded. Truth is it seems that they had little pride to begin with but, because Don't Bang... hits so close to home, they feel like they have to defend themselves against Roosh anyway - despite him being vastly more worldly and the book was not really ever supposed to be written for their eyes in the first place.

I can't work out why there's so much sensationalism about it in the Danish press though. Is there really nothing else to talk about but a Game guide?

[Vicious]

I'm sure that a lot of the hate is due to Roosh being American. For the Europeans leaning left that's enough to get their blood boiling.

[ElJefe]

(02-12-2012 06:22 PM)Scott Wrote:  

I can't work out why there's so much sensationalism about it in the Danish press though. Is there really nothing else to talk about but a Game guide?

It because Danes are totally obsessed with what foreigners think of them, as demonstrated. The reason I'd be interested in writing is, besides writing excellent Danish (even by danish standards) the discussion is interesting from a sociological/economic perspective (my forté) and for the national debate where raging feminism has gone unchallenged for decades.

It would be fantastic to throw an additional, well-formulated article out there with some real numbers and valid observations from a social-science perspective because a lot of people sense the truth in Roosh's words but can only react with emotions rather than coherent argument.

I'm super busy so I wouldn't be able to do it for another week, if at all.

[Sourcecode]

So I said I would tell my Copenhagen story. I wrote it all up since Im starting (mainly for myself)
so here it is

Quote:

Eventually my dick and finger are taking turns discreetly penetrating this girl outside the bathroom because drunk teens are using it to throw up everywhere
Obviously the next plan was to get these girls home for proper play.

Quote:

At least I could salvage my chick..but you can't do much with a full grown woman that's just pissed herself...while wearing your jacket

Part 1

Part 2


I had a fun time..I didnt really talk with people about politics even though almost everyone wanted to pick a fight over it.

girls seem to enjoy bashing guys even if they plan to fuck later

[durangotang]

(02-13-2012 03:43 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

So I said I would tell my Copenhagen story. I wrote it all up since Im starting (mainly for myself)
so here it is

Quote:

Eventually my dick and finger are taking turns discreetly penetrating this girl outside the bathroom because drunk teens are using it to throw up everywhere
Obviously the next plan was to get these girls home for proper play.

Quote:

At least I could salvage my chick..but you can't do much with a full grown woman that's just pissed herself...while wearing your jacket

Part 1

Part 2


I had a fun time..I didnt really talk with people about politics even though almost everyone wanted to pick a fight over it.

girls seem to enjoy bashing guys even if they plan to fuck later

Wow. A scathing review along the same lines as Roosh. Vindication.

[Sourcecode]

Ill assume that was sarcasm. wasnt trying to sound like roosh, but im sure anyone that interacted with scandinavians enough and wasnt already far left liberal will probably come to the same conclusion

[durangotang]

(02-15-2012 04:07 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

Ill assume that was sarcasm. wasnt trying to sound like roosh, but im sure anyone that interacted with scandinavians enough and wasnt already far left liberal will probably come to the same conclusion

I actually wasn't being sarcastic at all. I bought and read DBD, and laughed my ass off. I just thought it was great that someone else had a very similar story to tell. Just more evidence vindicating Roosh. I actually read both pages of what you wrote and enjoyed the pics. The fact that the girl pissed herself was pretty funny.

Thanks for sharing.

[ElJefe]

(02-15-2012 04:07 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

Ill assume that was sarcasm. wasnt trying to sound like roosh, but im sure anyone that interacted with scandinavians enough and wasnt already far left liberal will probably come to the same conclusion

Just a different paradigm over here. I'm quite conservative - by Scandi standards I'm a total bigot - but because I understand the paradigm, I can get people to understand my POV easily enough.

The bar you went to was a dump and probably the worst of what the city has to offer. I'm glad you got some ass though.

[Pilgrim37]

(02-15-2012 12:48 PM)durangotang Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 04:07 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

Ill assume that was sarcasm. wasnt trying to sound like roosh, but im sure anyone that interacted with scandinavians enough and wasnt already far left liberal will probably come to the same conclusion

I actually wasn't being sarcastic at all. I bought and read DBD, and laughed my ass off. I just thought it was great that someone else had a very similar story to tell. Just more evidence vindicating Roosh. I actually read both pages of what you wrote and enjoyed the pics. The fact that the girl pissed herself was pretty funny.

Thanks for sharing.

What are you in Hamburg for...good town?

[Pilgrim37]

Don't Bang Denmark is outselling The Rough Guide to Copenhagen on the Amazon charts!
It seems people prefer a "Roosh" guide to the city ,even Danish people..I'm guessing that's who's responsible for the upsurge.

These guides definitely have "Brand" potential now!

After Europe and Russia, Japan and China....got yourself passive income for life if you can update them every few years!

[Sourcecode]

(02-15-2012 05:06 PM)Pilgrim37 Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 12:48 PM)durangotang Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 04:07 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

Ill assume that was sarcasm. wasnt trying to sound like roosh, but im sure anyone that interacted with scandinavians enough and wasnt already far left liberal will probably come to the same conclusion

I actually wasn't being sarcastic at all. I bought and read DBD, and laughed my ass off. I just thought it was great that someone else had a very similar story to tell. Just more evidence vindicating Roosh. I actually read both pages of what you wrote and enjoyed the pics. The fact that the girl pissed herself was pretty funny.

Thanks for sharing.

What are you in Hamburg for...good town?

Im living here /working/studying/traveling
pretty much studying abroad without the well off college student surrounded by a group of americans part

its a great town. im from a beach city in the south so the weather is shitty to me.
but if you brave the cold and make approaches its not to bad.
what ive caught in the last month or so is better than what i get in alot of places.

im in dusseldorf for a while now.
id put up a karneval data sheet, but i honestly dont know if i can remember the bars and clubs ive went to.
when i get back to my homebase ill probally reply on a thread about it here

but thers a data sheet for hamburg on this site that ive used to success and theres a couple post on dusseldorf somewhere.

[wildwyaatt]

(02-08-2012 08:54 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Dozens of comments have been left on my Facebook page by Danish women. Look through them. Do you see one that is above a 6? I don't.

http://www.facebook.com/uncleroosh

Most are women in their 30s with kids and man jaws. The irony is that the uglier the girl, the more she says I'm wrong, when it's HER EXISTENCE that has led to my initial conclusion!

In other words, ugly Danish girls are coming out in droves to say Danish women are beautiful. Even American women are not capable of this hamster behavior.

Why are ugly/fat girls always the ones most defending the shit wrong with women?