[Dash Global]

(07-31-2011 01:35 PM)neil_k Wrote:  

(03-11-2011 11:06 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  

You need high value and status or good looks to be successful with direct game on a consistent basis.

Again, this is one of the other popularly held misconceptions that indirect/PUA guys have about Direct.

Us Direct guys don't waste time mentaly masturbating on theories such as 'value' and 'status'.

If anything, a man who is confidently Direct with women will automatically be perceived as 'high value' or 'high status'.

I disagree. If you come on direct without good looks, status/value, or high social proof 8 times out of 10 you will get shut down. Any thinking otherwise is just not living in reality. And by direct I mean opening in a sexually direct way. ie letting her know right away you are interested in fucking her that night by some shape or fashion.

(03-11-2011 11:06 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  

If u are an ugly dude and go direct u will get shut down REAL quick.

Again, this isn't true. Have you heard of David X, the Godfather of Direct? If not, look him up. He is NOT good looking. In fact he is quite ugly physically, but he has enjoyed massive success with women from Direct.

There are many examples of men in society who are average or below average looking who are Direct with women and do really well.

The bottom line is: women aren't attracted to men who are merely good-looking. They are attracted to men who are ATTRACTIVE. Big difference.

Being attractive is a combination of a man's confidence and demeanor, not merely his looks.

So an UGLY as fuck dude with zero money or social status that thinks he is brad pitt with endless confidence is ATTRACTIVE and can pull hot chicks? Here again this is wishful thinking at best.

(03-11-2011 11:06 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  

i like roosh's club scenario about getting alot of IOI's and being approached outright by females. direct game would stand alot better chance of success in this case as opposed to a cold approach without any IOI's.

I think it's a mistake to wait for 'IOIs' before approaching a girl. I don't wait for a sign before I approach a girl. If I see a girl I am physically attracted to, I approach her. End of. That is Direct.

I've had plenty of success without ever waiting for 'IOIs'. A confident man does not need to wait until he gets an 'IOI'. He should approach whoever he likes the look of. Only weak guys wait for an 'IOI' before approaching.

Not all women give out 'IOIs' anyway, so you will miss out on a lot of women by waiting around for 'signs' they want to be approach.

It's never hindered me to not wait for an 'IOI', so I disagree with this point.

Nothing wrong with approaching without IOI's. It is actually better that way. Only thing most people lack the confidence to take the number of shut downs and blow offs that come along with approaching without IOI's. Also someone that goes off IOI's will have a higher success rate than someone that doesnt. (ie percent closed on approach)

(03-11-2011 11:06 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  

for the average looking/status guy indirect game is more fruitful.

Again, not true. What are you basing all these assumptions/misconceptions on?

Tons of personal experiences coupled with countless hours / years of watching male/female interactions in bars and clubs.

(03-11-2011 11:06 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  

not saying u shouldnt use direct game, u just need to know WHEN to use it.

You can use Direct in ANY situation. There is no situation where you cannot use Direct to approach a woman.

You can use direct game in any situation. Just be prepared to shut down more times than not.

Like I already stated, women do not have to be attracted to you in any way shape or form to have sex with you. I know plenty of girls that fuck ugly dead beat lame ass losers simply because he was in the right time and place or he showed interest at the right time. That is why going indirect is better in the sense that you will have more options and a chance where if you went direct out the gate you would have been shut down.