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(07-01-2011 04:42 AM)pitt Wrote:  

I am sorry but dont listen to Athlone if you are looking to sleep around a lot. You really have to approach a lot and fail miserably in order to have success in the future. Athlone perspective is more if you are looking to settle down with someone you "love", if you are looking to be a player, thats not the way to go, players are very outgoing people.

This is why you will always have problems-outcome dependence. You tie everything down as a strategy to get women.

What I said has nothing to do with "looking to settle down with someone you "love"". If you'd bothered to read the damn forum for more than a minute, you'd know I wholeheartedly recommend against that for any American man.

My strategy is designed for the self. Not for society, not for your parents, and ESPECIALLY not for girls, but for you. I thought I'd made that clear, but you found a way to interpret it as something else anyhow.
Until you can divorce your sense of direction and self worth from your unending, desperate pursuit of tits and ass, then you'll have issues.

(07-01-2011 11:21 AM)Selva Wrote:  

The only thing I would add to this is get yourself a fuckbuddy or girlfriend and leverage her into other girls. Simply knowing that regardless of the outcome of any approach you are going to get laid takes away a lot of pressure you might put on yourself and lets you be comfortable in your interactions. A woman knows when a guy has options and she will make it so that she is one of the options.

Don't waste your time-just go and get an escort.

Same effect, less effort.

(07-01-2011 12:30 PM)Jersey Wrote:  

The problem is that for most people starting out, it's really hard to find the value in themselves because they haven't seen it yet. The fastest way to see your own value is to start approaching. Because what will happen is that you will start running into girls who see your value and it will be reflective in their behavior.

Once again-women will never build you up. Only you can do that.

If you can't find some basic respect and value for yourself, don't expect women to do it for you. They cannot be relied upon because they do not care, and they never will.
Tying your self worth to their perceptions of you (this is exactly what you are suggesting) is not a winning strategy.

(07-01-2011 03:45 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

Very good points and very true, but I feel it's a combination of the two. Working on and loving yourself, as well as putting yourself in situations where you can practice approach, lose the irrational fear of the opposite sex and desensitize yourself to rejection.

I ran game for a while as a freshman, and I've gotten used to rejection as a result. This is on top of the many, many others I experienced as a kid.

I didn't need to learn a bunch of routines and approach 100 random women on a street in a set period of time to learn about rejection.

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While we shouldn't put women on pedestals, we can't totally rule out their importance. I pretty much attribute every school shooting and most male suicides to a boy/man who either couldn't get laid, couldn't get a girlfriend, couldn't get over his ex, couldn't find a female to replace his ex. Those are the extreme cases. We don't even need to mention the lonely nights, depression, time off work, etc. that millions of guys all over the world go thru when they're having girl troubles!

None of this has anything to do with the intrinsic worth/value of women. It has everything to do with male perception of their value, which is inflated.

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Normal, straight men must have female companionship at least from time to time. The more skills a man can develope to make attracting women easier, the better his overall lives will be.

The more you can learn to live without them, the better off you will be.