-- I like the varying posts- nemesis you are giving some good warnings to someone not used to reading deep, strategic thinkers like Russians.
I think we've seen about the same airfares, about 1250 roughly round trip to a secondary city like Lviv from Callyforny.
Except when she decides she wants to go home and you want to get her out of here before she goes dark somewhere, so you buy a ticket with only a few days notice, then it's more expensive. If she takes off and is still in the country illegally years later, you might have trouble getting another fiancee visa, or even (IDK) a spousal visa.
I stand corrected on the affadavit of support details, you sound more knowledgeable than me, however I do think
a woman who leaves you and starts with false accusations of DV with a goal of staying here could cause you a HUGE amount of stress even if/when she leaves without you getting arrested.
As Nemesis says, American guys should have some serious respect for Russian culture before you dream you'll go there and play detective.
Who, century after century, kicked the asses of the Mongols, Napoleon, and Hitler; while before each victory appearing primitive and unsophisticated?
No one should think about marrying a Russian woman unless you know the history of the Battle of Stalingrad.
It was a death match. Hitler would not relent, and Stalin would not consider losing. the Germans got within YARDS of the river
behind the Russian forces, but Russians are-- I don't know- a force of nature. And when one of those women decides she loves you,
you get the good side of that. ( Look up the Decembrists, as well my account below of a Russian woman's declaration of love.)
At one point the average life-expectancy of new Russian soldiers arriving was one day.
Eventually, after- I forget- something like two years? the Germans were hopelessly surrounded, out of fuel, and
finally surrendered formally which was simply an acknowledgement the Russians had already slowly, inexorably, and with limitless opaque
Slavic tenacity kicked their asses.
The denouement? 90% of the German prisoners of war, I think in the tens of thousands, never made it home.
I love Russians, I think they have great passion and warmth, and they are not automatons like many Americans.
But don't consider yourself their equal in battle. Don't get in a battle with them at all.
Remember, America is a child country, and we are of that child country. Russia BECAME Russia by kicking the Mongols' asses over a period of centuries, until they finally found it unpalatable to keep invading the area now known as Russia.
They are the world's best at chess-- think about that. You, naive American boy, are going to read ancient deviousness of calculating Russian girl with a huge amount at stake? POSSIBLE, but odds are not good.
I heard one Russian guy who didn't trust Russian women say once-- "Russian women say one thing, think another, and do a third."
That's why I believe this: her underneath me orgasming. It's not a signal, it's the thing itself.
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I'm oooolllld , over 45, still look halfway decent, 5'9", ( not bald, not fat, not leather skinned, high IQ, doctorate, scholarships and special classes for the gifted since 2nd grade, jobs have included professional musician, doctoral level health care, professional screenwriter, but I'm not upper middle class, never saved money, will have govt. pension in a couple years, enough to live simply without working in EE/Asia; no real $$ assets like businesses, real estate etc. )
Reliably having sex with [a] very attractive, fertile woman/women is a high priority in my life; and I want marriage-- not just legally, but bonded spiritually so you feel complete. For me- for me- Everything else is "hide and seek." I'm a sappy romantic and I want me and my other half to know each other deeply.
I do not have the temperament nor am I good at a series of seductions leaving a trail of ...ahem..."better than I found them" women... gee, she's crying, is that better? Oops, I shouldn't judge-- there are plenty of party girls and young girls who want adventure to go around.
I do NOT do well with American women-- poor game for this culture. In three trips to EE, each time within one week of arriving was having sex with women at least 20 years younger than me, all upper middle class background, either in medical school, engineers, or elite level liberal arts. One young woman's family was ALL medical doctors, busting ass helping people like a family of saints in rural Russia for no f'ing money. They were way above me in overall class, industry and fundamental quality of character. All willing to marry me -- the 18 year old I mentioned was ready to go but later changed her mind, the other two I believe were ready to go for real. And Slavic chicks have some beautiful romanticism if you like it. I've sure never heard an American women appeal to me, offering as proof of her love- " I'll give you many children!" That's some serious, sacred and deep, earthy love.
I can get single mom divorcees here in US no problem, they cue all the time, or often think I'm out of their league-- but I am not really interested. I feel that I am biologically hard wired to desire maximum fertility in women-- at least while I don't have kids. Who knows later.
To me, all most desirable women are generally 27 or under.
from evopsych it seems obvious-- a 33 or 37 year old probably can only have 1-3 kids. An 18 year old could have theoretically ten or more.
Someone could be a really pretty, saintly 45 year old and I would only have the basest fantasies about her.
It's pretty much common sense to me which genes would survive:
first a gene saying "have at least one kid", then next, a gene saying have as many healthy kids as you can."
Logic, fairness, societal expectations have almost nothing to do with these deep levels of programming. I think I could constrict them, repress what I actually want to live a more placid life, this seems unbelievably lazy to me.
Everybody has their own tastes. I prefer EE women to Asian, but I know for a fact even guys in their late 60's with pensions ( and shi^^y educations) can get early 20's women in Philippines, that'll be my last resort.
--air prices-- looks like we've seen about the same prices; two trips each round trip about 1250 = 2 round trips = total cost $5000. Of course taxis hotels are additional but this is just high level comparison.
As far as the person considering a few two week trips, I'm not saying that couldn't work-- and you're looking for autonomic ractions that are hard to control which is good-- pupil dilation-- real smile versus manufactured-- it HAS worked for [a lot of] people-- if, as another poster mentioned, you don't aim too much higher than your own level of attractiveness, and sometimes even if you do.
There are definitely 50 YO guys who are not millionaires who have smoking 30 year old Russian chicks here, and the chicks are capable of solid pair bonds, and just don't have the character to go out and ditch the guy that got them a totally better new life-- for a pair of better pecs!!
So in total-- for me, without decades of good looks left, the best way to spend my last good-looking decade is IN EE/ASIA getting it in real time-- not planning, waiting, and hoping.
If you're 35 and have a career you like, and game, you could operate differently.
The one part I cannot see making into an acceptable risk ( the type I don't like) is having kids with someone you don't REALLY, REALLY, REALLY KNOW in a country (USA) with child support laws like the ones here. I don't mind dying in an old Soviet Antonov in Siberia-- that's quick-- but 18 years...I think I'd rather get bumped off by the Mob somewhere than pay my ex to f*ck someone else for 18 years.
I seem incapable of explaining myself without sounding like I'm ranting. Probably a sign of bad game.
I think we've seen about the same airfares, about 1250 roughly round trip to a secondary city like Lviv from Callyforny.
Except when she decides she wants to go home and you want to get her out of here before she goes dark somewhere, so you buy a ticket with only a few days notice, then it's more expensive. If she takes off and is still in the country illegally years later, you might have trouble getting another fiancee visa, or even (IDK) a spousal visa.
I stand corrected on the affadavit of support details, you sound more knowledgeable than me, however I do think
a woman who leaves you and starts with false accusations of DV with a goal of staying here could cause you a HUGE amount of stress even if/when she leaves without you getting arrested.
As Nemesis says, American guys should have some serious respect for Russian culture before you dream you'll go there and play detective.
Who, century after century, kicked the asses of the Mongols, Napoleon, and Hitler; while before each victory appearing primitive and unsophisticated?
No one should think about marrying a Russian woman unless you know the history of the Battle of Stalingrad.
It was a death match. Hitler would not relent, and Stalin would not consider losing. the Germans got within YARDS of the river
behind the Russian forces, but Russians are-- I don't know- a force of nature. And when one of those women decides she loves you,
you get the good side of that. ( Look up the Decembrists, as well my account below of a Russian woman's declaration of love.)
At one point the average life-expectancy of new Russian soldiers arriving was one day.
Eventually, after- I forget- something like two years? the Germans were hopelessly surrounded, out of fuel, and
finally surrendered formally which was simply an acknowledgement the Russians had already slowly, inexorably, and with limitless opaque
Slavic tenacity kicked their asses.
The denouement? 90% of the German prisoners of war, I think in the tens of thousands, never made it home.
I love Russians, I think they have great passion and warmth, and they are not automatons like many Americans.
But don't consider yourself their equal in battle. Don't get in a battle with them at all.
Remember, America is a child country, and we are of that child country. Russia BECAME Russia by kicking the Mongols' asses over a period of centuries, until they finally found it unpalatable to keep invading the area now known as Russia.
They are the world's best at chess-- think about that. You, naive American boy, are going to read ancient deviousness of calculating Russian girl with a huge amount at stake? POSSIBLE, but odds are not good.
I heard one Russian guy who didn't trust Russian women say once-- "Russian women say one thing, think another, and do a third."
That's why I believe this: her underneath me orgasming. It's not a signal, it's the thing itself.
=====
I'm oooolllld , over 45, still look halfway decent, 5'9", ( not bald, not fat, not leather skinned, high IQ, doctorate, scholarships and special classes for the gifted since 2nd grade, jobs have included professional musician, doctoral level health care, professional screenwriter, but I'm not upper middle class, never saved money, will have govt. pension in a couple years, enough to live simply without working in EE/Asia; no real $$ assets like businesses, real estate etc. )
Reliably having sex with [a] very attractive, fertile woman/women is a high priority in my life; and I want marriage-- not just legally, but bonded spiritually so you feel complete. For me- for me- Everything else is "hide and seek." I'm a sappy romantic and I want me and my other half to know each other deeply.
I do not have the temperament nor am I good at a series of seductions leaving a trail of ...ahem..."better than I found them" women... gee, she's crying, is that better? Oops, I shouldn't judge-- there are plenty of party girls and young girls who want adventure to go around.
I do NOT do well with American women-- poor game for this culture. In three trips to EE, each time within one week of arriving was having sex with women at least 20 years younger than me, all upper middle class background, either in medical school, engineers, or elite level liberal arts. One young woman's family was ALL medical doctors, busting ass helping people like a family of saints in rural Russia for no f'ing money. They were way above me in overall class, industry and fundamental quality of character. All willing to marry me -- the 18 year old I mentioned was ready to go but later changed her mind, the other two I believe were ready to go for real. And Slavic chicks have some beautiful romanticism if you like it. I've sure never heard an American women appeal to me, offering as proof of her love- " I'll give you many children!" That's some serious, sacred and deep, earthy love.
I can get single mom divorcees here in US no problem, they cue all the time, or often think I'm out of their league-- but I am not really interested. I feel that I am biologically hard wired to desire maximum fertility in women-- at least while I don't have kids. Who knows later.
To me, all most desirable women are generally 27 or under.
from evopsych it seems obvious-- a 33 or 37 year old probably can only have 1-3 kids. An 18 year old could have theoretically ten or more.
Someone could be a really pretty, saintly 45 year old and I would only have the basest fantasies about her.
It's pretty much common sense to me which genes would survive:
first a gene saying "have at least one kid", then next, a gene saying have as many healthy kids as you can."
Logic, fairness, societal expectations have almost nothing to do with these deep levels of programming. I think I could constrict them, repress what I actually want to live a more placid life, this seems unbelievably lazy to me.
Everybody has their own tastes. I prefer EE women to Asian, but I know for a fact even guys in their late 60's with pensions ( and shi^^y educations) can get early 20's women in Philippines, that'll be my last resort.
--air prices-- looks like we've seen about the same prices; two trips each round trip about 1250 = 2 round trips = total cost $5000. Of course taxis hotels are additional but this is just high level comparison.
As far as the person considering a few two week trips, I'm not saying that couldn't work-- and you're looking for autonomic ractions that are hard to control which is good-- pupil dilation-- real smile versus manufactured-- it HAS worked for [a lot of] people-- if, as another poster mentioned, you don't aim too much higher than your own level of attractiveness, and sometimes even if you do.
There are definitely 50 YO guys who are not millionaires who have smoking 30 year old Russian chicks here, and the chicks are capable of solid pair bonds, and just don't have the character to go out and ditch the guy that got them a totally better new life-- for a pair of better pecs!!
So in total-- for me, without decades of good looks left, the best way to spend my last good-looking decade is IN EE/ASIA getting it in real time-- not planning, waiting, and hoping.
If you're 35 and have a career you like, and game, you could operate differently.
The one part I cannot see making into an acceptable risk ( the type I don't like) is having kids with someone you don't REALLY, REALLY, REALLY KNOW in a country (USA) with child support laws like the ones here. I don't mind dying in an old Soviet Antonov in Siberia-- that's quick-- but 18 years...I think I'd rather get bumped off by the Mob somewhere than pay my ex to f*ck someone else for 18 years.
I seem incapable of explaining myself without sounding like I'm ranting. Probably a sign of bad game.