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Granted most of you fucks.....

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An indirect approach

"Did you just see that?"
"I LOVE THIS SONG"

also, "would you like to come up and see my etchings?"

On the Direct to Indirect continuum, the above leans strongly towards Indirect. Yes yes, one can be very indirectly direct, but now things are getting ridiculous. The point of the video, which was made very well, was that a person does not have to communicate directly. Thus giving someone the option of not being objected too...well you said it yourself.

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Once you've been pegged as someone that's trying to fuck her, the defenses go up and it makes the pick up harder, cause the immediate sexual assessment kicks in, and 99 times out of 100, you don't meet that 5 second test.

Agreed. That's HOW a 50 yr old I know of picked up a 20 yr old. There is no way he could have gone direct. Most 'teachers' in the community know this.

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That's why direct is so much more appealing to noobs and dumb asses in the game, even if they don't have the body, body language or cojones to do it right. At least the rejections are fast. Going direct all the time means your observations of who's DTF will go up tremendously. Then it becomes a #'s game because you never really learn shit about attracting women. Just hit the gym Bro!

So true. But then....show me a product that teaches indirect well?

There is none. At most I see people TALKING ABOUT it, not DEMONSTRATING it. In the products I've looked at, the author will usually give two paragraphs of examples, maximum. What is needed, especially for community types, who are socially awkward, introverted, and want to hit this level of sophistication, is a book that does case studies. Full conversations with analysis. Not even more female psychology and analysis a la Tyler Durden, Sinn, and every talking head in every "superconference".

This product doesn't exist in large part due to what you said here:

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indirect on the other hand means you might spend 2 hours in a good conversation with a bitch, build attraction, build rapport, and still catch a logistical fuck up that makes you lose the pussy @ the end of the tunnel. But being good @ indirect, on some Zen shit, where you talk to a broad, get into her head, figure her out, learn how to ask questions and how to answer - that's some powerful shit that goes beyond pick up.

Agreed. Except for the part where you said it goes beyond pick up. I think this is what pick up *should* be, but isn't, due to the poor quality of teaching and products available.

If you can do what you're implying you can....please, write an ebook of 'case studies' of good indirect pickup, with analysis of every line. After a while, a person will start to 'get it'. And pleeeeease don't write about female psychology, it's been done to death.

Do this well, and I swear, I'll buy your book.

I Have looked for such a book. This is what I've found, patronizing garbage like 'How to win friends and influence people" with nonsense like, "people like to talk about themselves"...Really!! WOW. Thanks man.
Actually, Mehow made a product that almost did it....called "Megan and Mehow" I think. It was sooo close. He talks to this very flirty girl, and on the fly breaks down what's happening in the conversation. I thought it was really informative. The one problem was that "Megan" was too good at being a flirt. She was always game, always had a come back. I wished he had picked a regular girl, where things fall flat, silences, and then pushed through those moments with quality. I'd buy that product in a heartbeat.