[Beyond Borders]

(05-18-2012 01:56 PM)Manwhore Wrote:  

I think I was a little harsh with the guy for sure, but his response was completely ignorant and inflammatory. It was SUCH bad info. I'll break his response down into why it is wrong.

(05-17-2012 04:52 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

"I wasn't really paying attention. I'm not going to b.s. you. I wasn't paying attention and probably was going over the limit."

This is an admission of guilt. Do not do this. You are only incriminating yourself and are then entitled to a ticket, whether the officer even had proof of you speeding or not. I have been pulled over and when I asked to see the officer's proof and he couldn't display it, OR, it was in contrast to what my radar detector said, he simply told me to slow down and drove off.

(05-17-2012 04:52 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

I don't care about getting a speeding ticket.

I do care about a cop stealing my money or planting drugs.

Cops will do both if you piss them off.

The only difference between a cop and a common criminal is the uniform, badge, and gun.

What the.. fuck??

This is an outrageous statement. It's paranoid and delusional.

(05-17-2012 04:52 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

When he asks to search the car, I'd say, "No offense but I'm one of those weird civil libertarians. I know you have a hard job and I'm not trying to be a pain, but I'd rather not."

Basically, I am trying to end the transaction while being as cool/ass kissing as possible.

This is wrong, this will not end the interaction it will only make him more suspicious and give him reason to keep questioning you. E.g. "You'd rather have me not? Why not? What do you have to hide. If you have nothing to hide you shouldn't have a problem letting me have a look around."

The proper statement to make here, put forth by thousands of sources on the web and in real life statements by lawyers AND officers is, "No I do not consent to any searches." This cuts the interaction short. Done. They know you know your rights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

There's a perfect example.

While I wouldn't have come at MikeCF like that, I've got to back Manwhore up on this.

You never admit guilt to a cop...ever. And cops do back down a good deal when they realize you know your rights - I know this from experience from multiple instances where other people would have gone straight to jail or at the very least been subjected to illegal searches. Where I grew up it's not common to be searched unnecessarily.

If anyone wants to know how best to deal with cops and excercise your rights, look up a book called "The Outlaw's Bible."

While written by a criminal doing time, the guy knows his shit and has done his research, and he breaks down exactly what it takes to stand up for yourself and not be bullied and pushed around by America's law enforcement.

Why should a non-criminal read something like this?

Because our law enforcement does not play by the rules, and their major advantage is that the vast majority of us do not even know the rules. Their whole game is deceiving you and taking advantage of your ignorance in order to get what they know you're "hiding," and their entire paradigm is that "everyone is guilty." Ordinary citizens do end up victims quite often. The authorities do make mistakes, and they're not likely to admit it when they do.

Due to the fact that our criminal justice system is in no way perfect, knowing best how to protect yourself is invaluable information and can quite possibly save you a ton of money, time, and suffering.

Educate yourself. It's worth it.