Quote: (03-01-2019 02:42 PM)Abelard Lindsey Wrote:
The manosphere started out with legitimate concerns. The biased schools, universities, and family courts are legitimate issues that have become worse, not better, over the past 15 years. However, I have noticed a distinctive trend towards authoritarianism in the manosphere in the recent years. For one, the manosphere has developed an entitlement mentality that is not dissimilar to that of the feminists. That is a mentality that each man is somehow entitled to "owning" a woman, even if it requires that women give up personal and economic freedom of the likes we take for granted. Another is the recent obsession with reducing both personal and economic liberty in the quest for some fixed concept of "social structure" sometimes, but not always, based on various versions of Christianity. Recent postings on Vox Day's blog are representative of this mentality. I believe it is this trend that is destroying the appeal of the manosphere and its outgrowth, the alt-right, for many of us.
You have to realize that the vast majority of us have no interest in politics or going any sort of "group identity" or other such collectivist nonsense.
You might not be interested in politics, but politics is VERY interested in you.
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The vast majority of us simply want to be left alone to live our own lives on our own terms and to mind our own business. We seek neither to rule or be ruled. Remember that most of us came to the manosphere and created the alt-right because we are sick and tired of the authoritarianism of the left. What on Earth makes you think that we would ever accept any form of authoritarianism from the right? The leading lights of the manosphere and, in particular, the alt-right need to get it in their thick heads that most of us reject the very concept of authority (in the political/philosophical sense) and merely want to live our own lives on our own terms.
This is why I've quit fighting for the Right, or for men, or for Western Civilization. This is why the Right fails.
Your average right winger is just as much of a special snowflake as anybody on the left; the only difference is that their concept of human rights tends towards the negative-libertarian while those on the left are positive-libertarian. Writing an list of these beliefs is difficult, and no single person on the right will be defined by all of them, but I'll provide you some examples:
- I have the right to sleep with women, without taking responsibility for it, because women are equal.
- I have the right to call myself a Christian, and hold myself as superior to SJWs, even though I don't follow the teachings of Christ.
- I have the right to make a nuisance of myself without considering how power actually works, because of my freedom of speech.
- I have the right to do whatever I want, and attack my allies, because it's just bantz bro.
- I have the right to be a fat loser who does nothing but play video games, and still call myself a man.
- I have the right to radical personal autonomy. I am beholden to no one, to no cause, to no standard, to no discipline.
Both sides are sloppy as fuck, leaving behind messes wherever they go. Nothing but overgrown teenagers who are pissed off that they're expected to pay rent, and take out their nose piercings when they go to work. Both of them are living on Pinochio's Pleasure Island, and both of them are turning into jackasses.
Rights come with responsibilities and obligations; you have the right to have sex with your wife, and the responsibility to provide for her. You have the right to a pay cheque, and the responsibility to show up to work. You have the right to vote, and the responsibility to participate in civic life.
You have the right to give orders to those below you, and the responsibility to follow orders from those above.
In a traditional society, none of these duties are burdensome; no more burdensome than a husband who holds authority over his wife. He may order her not to hang out with the divorcee crowd, or to go to the party at the biker bar, but generally speaking it is a very light yoke; far lighter than the modern slavery which is developing with our corporate masters.
A people who cannot discipline themselves will be disciplined by somebody else. Western man has abandoned self-discipline - decrying any and all duties as "authoritarian" - so he becomes a servile corporate peon, submitting his urine for testing, giving them his facebook password, and cheerfully endorsing their hate speech regulations.
The patriarchy wanted you to be respectful and virtuous, working with others fairly and fulfilling your obligations; but aside from that you were left to your own devices. By rejecting that, you've chose then master who will monitor every moment of your life, using every transgression to humiliate you.
There is no right wing. Those of us who've been trying to lead from the vanguard have taken as much, if not more flak from those who ought to be our followers than we have from our enemies. Western man doesn't want to follow? To recapture the dignity which his ancestors held? Very well, let him pursue his libertarianism all the way to the opium den.
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The manosphere and, especially the alt-right, need to do a better job at recognizing this and appealing to this sentiment.
On second thought, I think my comments are more directed at the alt-right than the manosphere in general. However, the alt-right is a creation of the manosphere. So, I think my comments are relevant to this thread.
When you water down the truth, it's not truth anymore; it's a compromise with vain egotists and Internet narcissists. The truth talks, and bullshit walks, so let them walk I say.