Quote: (06-27-2017 05:50 PM)birthday cat Wrote:
Quote: (06-26-2017 12:11 AM)J_Sway Wrote:
I've already shared more info about my protocol than I usually care to. More details than that tend to be read and taken as a step-by-step guide and I'd much rather guys here do their homework than try to emulate something myself or anyone else has done.
That said, there is enough detail in what I have mentioned that if you do a couple google searches you could easily find and piece together a fairly precise example which would answer all of the questions you asked.
As for DIM, I3C, Resveratrol, CDG, and other estrogen balancing/eliminating supplements, there are a couple threads that exist already on the forum that get into those details. Just search for recent threads started by Roosh. Outside of the forum, they could also just as easily be researched on google.
I'll share my experience, but I won't detail my protocol. It's your body, you gotta do your own homework and build your own protocol. It's the only way you'll know what works. For most of us here, it's been a process of trial and error, and it's not something that can be copied and pasted from person to person. This is why, if you read enough experiences of men who have been on it for years, that a great deal of them went on to tailor their protocol to their own life. The doctors who are prescribing this stuff, expecially the docs that don't specialize in it, are trying to apply a one size fits all dosing protocol to something they don't even fully understand, when the results, across the board, clearly show that the one size does not fit all.
I agree with everything you said. I wanted you to describe your protocol and your reasoning for that protocol because I know it's different from what a lot of guys are doing and it will expose those guys to some better options.
For example, I've had conversations with multiple forum guys who are self-administering and they don't understand the difference between propionate and cypionate or enanthate. They make major changes to their dosage in short time periods and don't understand that it takes time for levels to stabilize. The idea of taking more frequent injections to stabilize testosterone levels and reduce estrogen levels seems to fly over their head...250mg per week with only one injection is typical because it's convenient since they can buy a prefilled 250mg syringe. They say they don't have side effects but they take AI's. Some of these guys are giving advice to other guys. It's the blind leading the blind.
Maybe we should tell everyone to consult with a doctor who specializes in TRT even if they don't need a prescription. Two options that I know of are Defy Medical or All Things Male and I think both offer consultations via phone and email. I agree there isn't a one-size-fits-all approach but the starting point that those doctors will suggest is probably a much better starting point than what guys would do on their own.
I wholly agree. Better to go with an anti-aging clinic. They are specialized and will tailor to the individual depending on their specific needs. They also offer much more comprehensive testing.
Things like pinning frequency, subQ vs IM, ester length, and suspension medium can all play a part in whether or not and to what extent a person will experience sides. Especially with doses higher than 150mg.
Your example is a good one. If someone is pinning 250mg per week and has to use an AI (as almost anyone would at that dose), then they are most certainly experiencing sides and should consider lowering their dose. At 250mg per week, you're getting into performance dosing anyway, and should absolutely have some sort of AI on hand, not to mention a cycling plan/protocol to bring things back to stasis for a while every 8 weeks or so. But, again, we're not talking about AAS for performance here, so talk of cycling and dosages that high are part of a completely different conversation.