Quote: (12-15-2016 12:11 PM)billbudsocket Wrote:
Most of the safes you guys are discussing can be zipped open in less than a minute with a metal cutting circular saw. I would't bother with anything less than a TL-15 or TL-30 as a serious safe unless your goal is just to have a fire resistant box or thwart a smash and grab burglary.
I don't disagree with your first point, as nearly all residential gun "safes" are merely Residential Security Containers (RSC) as listed by UL to withstand a basic attack (hammer & screwdriver aka smash and grab) for 5 min. Your second point falls a little flat since this is a game forum and not a machine gun or Rolex forum. A TL-15 or TL-30 in a size that can hold long guns fully assembled is not something you can go down to the big box store and move with a couple friends and an appliance dolly. They are so heavy that you can only put them on concrete floors of certain thickness. These safes start at a couple thousand pounds and go up from there. Most people are going to, out of sheer necessity, turn to a pro that is licensed and bonded to handle safes and vaults. Also a TL-30 is only rated TL-30 on the door, a TL-30x6 is rated on all sides and weighs almost 10,000 lbs.
If you already know about TL/TR ratings, I don't think the OP had you in mind when he made this thread. Likewise if you have something that would require that level of protection you would most likely not be reading this thread for advice either. Most people in the gun community want protection from their kids getting into them, average burglaries and maybe some fire protection to keep things from melting until the FD shows up. If being hit by a crew that brings metal saws is within the realm of likely occurrences then you have either fucked up with numerous PERSEC violations or have much bigger problems to worry about, like being taken hostage and forced at gunpoint to open your TL-30 safe.