Quote: (10-09-2016 05:31 PM)Genghis Khan Wrote:
Sometimes I wonder if people on this forum are a bit too harsh. As mentioned by an earlier poster, a lot of men have blue collar jobs and it's not that easy to completely turn your life around and become succesful.
All the great examples we know, from Roosh to Cernovich, they all have had an undergrad degree and a white collar job at some point. Not only that, they're extremely intelligent people (I don't want to get into a debate of IQ, but for argument's sake I think it's safe to assume they both have IQs above 130).
On this forum we forget that the average man has an IQ of a 100. We forget that a certain level of intelligence is indeed required to understand TRP and game. We forget you need a certain level of attentiveness and conscientiousness to actually read a book (reading books comes naturally to me, but for many it is an absolute struggle). We forget you also need a certain level of support to change your life around. We forget how fucking hard it really is to change your life around. Is ambition something you can learn or an inherent trait? I don't know the answer, I've always been ambitious. Not everyone I know was. And some people never will be. All they want is a good-looking job, a supporting wife and a kid or two. And that is OK. It is OK to want a simple life. One of the most valuable things I learned was that a healthy society is built for the average person, not the highly intelligent and ambitious kind.
That is why I support MGTOW in theory. The average man is supremely fucked in modern society. All this stuff about learning game is excruciatingly hard if you're not naturally inclined towards the dark triad. I'm finally getting to a point where I'm doing OK game-wise and it took me several years to get my shit together. In many ways I'm lucky that I am intelligent and ambitious. Because God knows if I was around the 100 IQ mark and not so ambitious, I'd be screwed.
I look at my dad, who didn't even finish high school and can barely speak English. Yeah he's intelligent and ambitious. But he's never read books in his life. He doesn't read forums. If he had to learn game, he'd be fucked. That's why I say I support MGTOW as a philosophy. For many men, learning game isn't feasible. For the same reason, I have little respect for many self-help books and biographies - you really do need certain attributes to make those things happen. And the one problem I genuinely have with self-help books is that they argue ANYONE can be successful in life as long as they follow the advice. No they can't.
That said, I hold no opinion on actual MGTOW. If they really are mostly young smart guys who are basement dwellers and have the opportunity/energy/intelligence/perseverance to learn game - then yeah, they need to get off their asses. But the average blue collar guy - good lord, guys, have a bit of pity.
In years gone by, without idealising the past, most blue collar guys would have had a stable job been married in their say early 20s, had kids and got a house. E.g car plant worker whatever.
You're right a lot of people don't have the mental acuity to learn game or learn a lot of things really. They are not however bad people or people without talent or merit. Heck a lot of the guys that have worked for me down the years are semi literate. A long time ago I gave up and I just write out a lot of their invoices to me for them.
These guys now are not in a million years going to get a decent woman to marry, and there's no way they can afford a house even if they did. The vast majority are not incel or mgtow, whatever buzz word is going round, they are often living with parents to a late age, drinking down the pub, seeing mate, trips to thailand, smoking weed, playing videos games and get scraps of poon when they can. That's reality for a lot of modern guys.
I don't know if these guys will be a landing mat for the CC riders when they get over 30. A lot of the guys are still living that lifestyle in to their 30s and 40s. We could be in for a shock in demographics in 10-20 years time.