[Indy]

(02-12-2016 09:01 PM)CPG Wrote:  

The parts about passively approaching when there's an opportunity and waiting for IOI's makes me think you haven't done that many cold approaches, where you go in without the girl checking you out and signalling in advance. It sounds like you've done plenty on line, how frequently have you gone out during the day or night and approached?

If you haven't done a fair bit, think about giving it a try. Getting the reference experiences of many approaches helps pick out patterns, and you might just be misreading some of these. Even if the girl seems to be giving you the green light in advance she can be icy on the approach, and it'll be easier to place her reaction when you've seen enough of them.

As for the question about the girl going immediately cold after "Hello" despite liking you, there are a few things to look out for. Some of these are tough to self-diagnose, I used to do one of these and it took a guy pointing it out for me to work on it.

• Being too eager, smiling broadly, etc
• Strange mannerisms, like fidgeting with your shirt, any kind of twitch, uncomfortably long eye contact, etc
• Getting too much in her personal space too fast (less of a risk if she was already attracted)
  

The other thing I'm wondering about is your follow-up. A simple "Hey" style open is fine, as long as you have good ramble afterwards. You say these girls go DEFCON1 right away, is it literally you saying "Hello" and they immediately shut down the conversation--or are you continuing to talk and they kill it after some back-and-forth? That's important to know before considering any over- or under-gaming issues.

Yeah, I need to approach more. I make 4-5 approaches/week usually. I'm only out maybe one night a week. I'm trying to eliminate night game and drinking. I'm at the age recovery takes a full day. After the approach, it's usually a combination. I opened two girls a few months back with "Hello" and they immediately said "You look like a vacuum salesman. Sorry, we have boyfriends." I was fucking speechless. But I let it slide off and chalked it up to them "negging" me. But usually, I get heavy IOI's and then swoop in and after a brief ramble and few open questions, they still aren't contributing to the conversation so I eject.

Maybe I ejected too early? Didn't build enough comfort/interest?

(02-12-2016 09:18 PM)germanico Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 07:01 PM)Indy Wrote:  

I'm having women disqualify themselves at "hello" -- like they see me as the unicorn and know I'm going to pump-and-dump.

Have you tried approaching the really hot chicks?

You know, the ones who wont see you as out of their league?

^ Great advice. Maybe I'm going in on the 7's half-assed without a real passion to close and its showing through.

I think these two posts are what I was looking for and give me a solid direction and goal. I just need to do more day approaches, get more comfortable at rambling, passing shit tests, building comfort and interest (while assuming attraction from the outset) and approach only women I think are 8-9 (with the occasional 7 in yoga pants).