On the issue of Turkish migration to Germany raised by Blick Mang, it wasn't cultural engineering:
1. 1960 was a year when West German economic growth was outpacing the supply of labor and external labor began to be sought. A comparison of GDP per capita shows $9842 for West Germany, and $7,286 for Italy. Not that great a difference, considering ease of living and working, weather, disparity between north and south Italy. Not enough to motivate enough workers to move from sunny Calabria to cold and dark Nordrhein-Westfalen.
http://www.publicpurpose.com/lm-ppp60+.htm
Turkish GDP per capita in 1960 was less than $600.
2. Germany and Turkey had strong connections going back to the Ottoman Empire. German generals commanded corps and divisions in the Ottoman Army in WW I, and the Germans built the railways in the Ottoman Empire (Basrah to Berlin).
3. It was impossible to import labor from Eastern Europe because of the Iron Curtain.
4. This Wikipedia article says the USA pressured Germany to accept Turks for political/NATO reasons. I doubt this was a big factor, but if it was, it was fair. The Turkish Army did scare the USSR to some extent and might have deterred them from rolling to the Rhine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastarbeiter
There was no cultural engineering going on - it was all economics and geopolitics.
Before the current troubles with and within Islam, Muslims weren't seen as especially sinister or even that different, at least over the 200 years before 2001. The Germans backed the Ottomans against the British and Russians for decades. Even some former Civil War generals from both sides became generals in the Egyptian Army in the late 19th century.
Do you have any facts to bring to the argument?
The reason why the book is obvious bullshit is because MacDonald ignores the role of the Enlightenment/Universalist ideology principally propagated by the American Founders and Abolitionists, including Jefferson, Lincoln, Monroe, Madison and the Adamses.
That is what is breaking down ethnic affinity and solidarity, in the USA and worldwide. The Jews not only had little to do with it, they are also being assimilated into it. For example, exogamy among American Jews is very high, around 50% and varying up to 71% among non-Orthodox Jews.
It's also comic the way MacDonald cites Jews like Michael Medved and Ben Stein in support of his own arguments, while not mentioning they are Jews, while every contrary argument is attributed to Jews.
1. 1960 was a year when West German economic growth was outpacing the supply of labor and external labor began to be sought. A comparison of GDP per capita shows $9842 for West Germany, and $7,286 for Italy. Not that great a difference, considering ease of living and working, weather, disparity between north and south Italy. Not enough to motivate enough workers to move from sunny Calabria to cold and dark Nordrhein-Westfalen.
http://www.publicpurpose.com/lm-ppp60+.htm
Turkish GDP per capita in 1960 was less than $600.
2. Germany and Turkey had strong connections going back to the Ottoman Empire. German generals commanded corps and divisions in the Ottoman Army in WW I, and the Germans built the railways in the Ottoman Empire (Basrah to Berlin).
3. It was impossible to import labor from Eastern Europe because of the Iron Curtain.
4. This Wikipedia article says the USA pressured Germany to accept Turks for political/NATO reasons. I doubt this was a big factor, but if it was, it was fair. The Turkish Army did scare the USSR to some extent and might have deterred them from rolling to the Rhine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastarbeiter
There was no cultural engineering going on - it was all economics and geopolitics.
Before the current troubles with and within Islam, Muslims weren't seen as especially sinister or even that different, at least over the 200 years before 2001. The Germans backed the Ottomans against the British and Russians for decades. Even some former Civil War generals from both sides became generals in the Egyptian Army in the late 19th century.
Quote: (04-20-2015 01:12 PM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:
Quote: (04-20-2015 05:36 AM)Sp5 Wrote:
I'm reading The Culture of Critique. It's obvious bullshit.
You have already stated that you have an affinity for Jews and have a personal connection to them, so I am not surprised that you would say that. There are many shabbos goys out there (the Clinton family probably being the extreme example).
Do you have any facts to bring to the argument?
The reason why the book is obvious bullshit is because MacDonald ignores the role of the Enlightenment/Universalist ideology principally propagated by the American Founders and Abolitionists, including Jefferson, Lincoln, Monroe, Madison and the Adamses.
That is what is breaking down ethnic affinity and solidarity, in the USA and worldwide. The Jews not only had little to do with it, they are also being assimilated into it. For example, exogamy among American Jews is very high, around 50% and varying up to 71% among non-Orthodox Jews.
It's also comic the way MacDonald cites Jews like Michael Medved and Ben Stein in support of his own arguments, while not mentioning they are Jews, while every contrary argument is attributed to Jews.