Quote: (07-01-2011 11:07 PM)hoops330 Wrote:  

How important is height in your game? I'm 6'4 and when I walk into the room its hard not to take notice. For you shorter guys, how do you compensate? Would you ever date a girl taller than you?

This is a question a bit overloaded with mental masturbation. You sound like you have a bit of insecurities in other areas of your game, or a midget troll fantasizing about what it'd be like to really tall. Why would you care about shorter guys at all? You've got what's given to you: Make best use of it. IMHO, it's better to be taller than shorter, and you've got something good.

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How important is height in your game?

Height is just like any other factor in game. It's as much important as you think it's important.

Of the attraction switches a woman has on man, taller height would be a help in most cases, but it won't guarantee anything. I've seen too many tall guys fuck it up to be sure. Tall, handsome, but too scared to even approach and open--what the hell is that?

Worse: tall, geeky, and clueless. Don't do this, hit the gym, get contact lens, learn game. It's very unbecoming.

For some girls it's an absolute trait a man must have for her to fuck him, for others, a non-factor. Just like guys on woman's physical traits.

Call me shallow, but with absolute certainty I know that big titties, smooth long sexy legs, cute feet and hands, provocative ass, flawless and fat-free curvy waist, and pretty face will be my #1 sexual attraction factors on women till the day I die, and I would not like too much deviation from those. Why wouldn't I think women have preferences on men as well? They do.

A woman chooses a mate for a variety of reasons, and height is 'just' one of them, and not as often an absolute factor as one might imagine.

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I'm 6'4 and when I walk into the room its hard not to take notice.

Yes, I notice taller people as well, but it doesn't mean I'd give them any credit for anything. I've seen a plenty of "tall, stupid, and useless" cases, and I'm not sure what to make of it.

Have you ever thought that someone might be thinking 'hey, there goes a circus freak'? Sometimes, it's no more than that.

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For you shorter guys, how do you compensate?

No, we do not 'compensate' for 'lack of height'. It's not a handicap that needs to be compensated for. Height is just one of the several variables in a game, and if you know what you're doing, you're busy pulling off the other stuff.

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Would you ever date a girl taller than you?

Yes. There are some physical factors involved, but if she's hot and fuckable, she's a game.


Now, instead of basking in your own genetic trait, and asking a question that's been asked to death, do something useful and give your fellow men something they can use to improve their game. Post your successes and why they were successful, so we can use it. I never heard of a guy even remotely claiming he fucked a horde of gorgeous woman just because of his height--he worked, and worked, and worked to fuck that many women, just like any other guy (with shorter height). In this respect, height alone is no advantage at all: you still have to work for fuck.

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Nearly every girl I've ever known has placed a heavy emphasis on height. They will tell you it doesn't matter and later you'll overhear them talking to their girlfriends that they stopped dating someone because he was too short. Don't let them fool you, it matters (just as other things do Laugh)... but you can always compensate elsewhere.

This sounds way too dominated in the girl's world. Sounds like a guy with short penis worrying that his girlfriend will talk about his penis size with her girls and eventually dump him for him. How tall are you?

Everything matters in game. That's why you work on every factor.

Every woman micro-analyzes the guy she's in a relationship with--after all, she might have to take his cum in her vagina for her entire life, so she might as well consider all the options and factors exhaustively. Women are no more faithful or trustworthy than her options--just like men. Get used to it. In no way, I would consider any and every woman to be fuckable or to be a relationship material--some many just do not meet my criteria and it's perfectly reasonable to expect women to be the same. Better to find out I'm not her type earlier than later.

"Every woman can be gamed" is a load of BS. As I'll never fuck some women, not even for millions of dollars, some women will never fuck me. So what? I don't have enough time for those that'll fuck me and I find fuckable.

Height does matter. Just look this )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbCy8vK5v...r_embedded

Quote: (07-05-2011 06:22 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

Quote: (07-05-2011 11:55 AM)Moma Wrote:  

What do you mean by the bolded statement? Are you saying that short women i.e. 5.2 and lower don't go for tall men (6 feet ++)?

Yes, I mean that. Too much height difference is a disadvantage even if the dude is significantly taller. This is why you don't see it around often.

Im 6'3" and I've dated and banged about 5 girls under the 5'3" line. Maybe im the exception, but I'd say no girl would turn down a guy for being to tall.

I'm 5'8 and never had a problem with my height. Short, taller than me, average, I've fucked them all. Good luck pulling girls if you're obsessed with how tall or short you are.

Quote: (07-07-2011 05:02 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

Im 6'3" and I've dated and banged about 5 girls under the 5'3" line. Maybe im the exception, but I'd say no girl would turn down a guy for being to tall.

Well, I stand behind what I wrote - looking around, I do not see many couples who'd have significant height difference. Vast majority have similar height.

"Although it's a dubious achievement to be named in the media as the best pickup artist in the world, one thing it taught me was that I didn't need to change the way I looked. I was doing just fine. In fact, I usually had it easier than big, muscular, square-jawed male models because I was much less threatening and intimidating. I could come in under the radar." --Neil "Style" Strauss

"The best pickup artist in the world" is 5'4" and bald. More evidence that it ain't the genetic cards that God dealt you that matter (height, looks), it's how well you're willing to play the game. Good game trumps height. Good game trumps everything.

Most of the guys I go out with are really tall. I have to admit if gives you an advantage when gaming tall chicks 5'11-6'2. Outside of that. You need game no matter how tall or short you are.

Quote: (07-14-2011 06:50 PM)Blackhawk Wrote:  

. I could come in under the radar." --Neil "Style" Strauss

"The best pickup artist in the world" is 5'4" and bald. More evidence that it ain't the genetic cards that God dealt you that matter (height, looks), it's how well you're willing to play the game. Good game trumps height. Good game trumps everything.

I agree with you, until good game trumps "everything."
It trumps a LOT however.

Although he was hopeless with women, Neil Strauss was already a best-selling New York Times author in a world where the huge majority of authors never even get published, let alone write a best-seller.

One telling statement he made in The Game was how he dismissively talked about someone -- he commented that most people aren't "closers"-- not in the traditional sense of making sales, but in finishing things.

I forget the context, but it relates to his description of being willing to totally change in order to learn Game. He was willing to do things which were flat-out counter-intuitive and made him very uncomfortable.

He was SERIOUS about getting something DONE. THAT ability has some basis in innate personality, like some other poster here has in his Sig, "Focus. Nothing else matters."

Quote: (07-15-2011 10:57 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

One telling statement he made in The Game was how he dismissively talked about someone -- he commented that most people aren't "closers"-- not in the traditional sense of making sales, but in finishing things.

Here it is, worth quoting:

One of the reasons I became a writer is that, unlike starting a band, directing movies, or acting in a theatrical production, you can do it alone.
Your success and failure depend entirely on yourself. I’ve never trusted collaborations, because most people in this world are not closers. They don’t finish what they start; they don’t live what they dream; they sabotage their own progress because they’re afraid they won’t find what they seek.

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I forget the context, but it relates to his description of being willing to totally change in order to learn Game. He was willing to do things which were flat-out counter-intuitive and made him very uncomfortable.

And he put some outstanding effort. I still remember my first reaction when I read that chapter - I'd never do so much work just for pussy, it is simply not worth it. For him, however, it was.

Who's neil strauss?

If you're from Holland than height doesn't matter because we are all tall even the girls. we are the tallest people in the world.

I know it definitly matters if you go to Asia or South America. I experienced lots of attention walking around there.

I have lots of compliments on my height there. ( i'm 6.3 )

I'm 5'11, is this ok?

Quote: (07-16-2011 03:53 PM)esperar Wrote:  

I'm 5'11, is this ok?

You're taller than the majority of men in the world. I think that answers your question.

Quote: (07-16-2011 12:55 PM)houston Wrote:  

Who's neil strauss?

Neil Strauss wrote the New York Times bestseller "The Game", which was the first mass market information disseminated about Game. Central to it was his relationship with Mystery, whom Strauss regarded as a genius.

The book accounts Strauss's transformation from someone who had covered as a writer world-famous rock band Motley Crue-- with backstage passes and full access,-- but stated the only person he got a kiss from even in those favorable circumstances was Tommy Lee.

I believe he had already written a best-seller BEFORE writing The Game and was already a published author.

His pickup moniker was/is "Style".

By the way, I also regard Mystery as a genius, in that he integrated evolutionary psychology, applied social techniques, and acute observations of women into a totally new, coherent, integrated, and organized view/method of human courtship; much like Freud organized, assessed the value of, and categorized the different mental defense mechanisms.

I would say height is very important, as it's one of the first things girls pickup about you and is probably the most common prerequisite women have for men (surmountable by fame, game, or money, of course). The average height in America is supposedly 5'9"-5'10" according to what I've read, but I would guess it's more like 5'11"-6' for white American males. I notice that I subconsciously think of any of my male friends under 5'11" as a "short guy" (who may even still be taller than me). The average height of girls is only 5'5" or so, but at night they often wear heels which gives them another 3"-5" typically.

Height is important. While there is always exceptions to a rule, the simple fact that women don't(read: rarely) date men shorter than them tells you height matters. If you accept that as a fact for most women then as a simple example....

If you're 5'7, your options are all woman 5'6 or less.
If you're 6'6, your options are all women 6'5 or less.

Therefore if you're 6'6" you have many more date-able women than the man that is 5'7, you also have less men to compete against for the women 5'7 to 6'5.

Quote: (07-18-2011 04:27 AM)Qtip Wrote:  

Height is important. While there is always exceptions to a rule, the simple fact that women don't(read: rarely) date men shorter than them tells you height matters.

I think there is a pretty notable exception: my impression is that unusually tall women are somewhat open to somewhat shorter guys. (NOt extremely so)

I've noticed women who are 5'11", 6'1" flirting with me (5'9"), I think the pool of available guys taller than them who aren't taken is so small that they make a conscious decision to open themselves up to shorter guys.

Another thing about that is since height is highly hereditary (90% +) it might be better for very tall girls to find shorter guys or runaway selection can result in her daughters being 6'3" or something which might be a disadvantage due to health or plain oddness.

I'm still baffled as to why we are debating something we can't control. Even if it has importance (which I don't put much stock to), what does it matter?

Quote: (07-18-2011 06:31 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

I'm still baffled as to why we are debating something we can't control. Even if it has importance (which I don't put much stock to), what does it matter?

Well maybe some guys may feel the need to wear those shoes that have extra thick soles which will give them an inch or two. Some will also practice hanging from a pull up bar in the morning until their grip gives to give them extra inches.

height makes your personality looks amazing if you have a good figure....if you dont have good figure and your heighten....people would consider you zebra

Quote: (07-18-2011 04:27 AM)Qtip Wrote:  

Height is important. While there is always exceptions to a rule, the simple fact that women don't(read: rarely) date men shorter than them tells you height matters. If you accept that as a fact for most women then as a simple example....

If you're 5'7, your options are all woman 5'6 or less.
If you're 6'6, your options are all women 6'5 or less.

Therefore if you're 6'6" you have many more date-able women than the man that is 5'7, you also have less men to compete against for the women 5'7 to 6'5.

That´s bullshit, I´m 5´8" and about a third of the girls I've banged have been taller than me. I'm not saying it isn't a factor but just like looks, height is far less important than your game in determining what's possible. If you show that you don't give a fuck about it then odds are a girl won't either.

Quote: (07-18-2011 11:23 AM)gringochileno Wrote:  

If you show that you don't give a fuck about it then odds are a girl won't either.

That's the spirit. All you have to do to turn your life into an adventure is to stop worrying about what people think.
Or even better, deliberately go further than they know they can go. In front of them.

Quote: (07-18-2011 04:27 AM)Qtip Wrote:  

Height is important. While there is always exceptions to a rule, the simple fact that women don't(read: rarely) date men shorter than them tells you height matters. If you accept that as a fact for most women then as a simple example....

If you're 5'7, your options are all woman 5'6 or less.
If you're 6'6, your options are all women 6'5 or less.

Therefore if you're 6'6" you have many more date-able women than the man that is 5'7, you also have less men to compete against for the women 5'7 to 6'5.

Who's options are those and why are you bringing up dating? I sure as hell won't let a girl pass me up because she's taller.

Quote: (07-18-2011 04:27 AM)Qtip Wrote:  

Height is important. While there is always exceptions to a rule, the simple fact that women don't(read: rarely) date men shorter than them tells you height matters. If you accept that as a fact for most women then as a simple example....

If you're 5'7, your options are all woman 5'6 or less.
If you're 6'6, your options are all women 6'5 or less.

Therefore if you're 6'6" you have many more date-able women than the man that is 5'7, you also have less men to compete against for the women 5'7 to 6'5.

Most guys have shit game and believe their height hurts them.
The guys who don't give a shit date whatever women they want, whether they taller or shorter.

Quote: (07-19-2011 10:56 AM)torontokid Wrote:  

Quote: (07-18-2011 04:27 AM)Qtip Wrote:  

Height is important. While there is always exceptions to a rule, the simple fact that women don't(read: rarely) date men shorter than them tells you height matters. If you accept that as a fact for most women then as a simple example....

If you're 5'7, your options are all woman 5'6 or less.
If you're 6'6, your options are all women 6'5 or less.

Therefore if you're 6'6" you have many more date-able women than the man that is 5'7, you also have less men to compete against for the women 5'7 to 6'5.

Most guys have shit game and believe their height hurts them.
The guys who don't give a shit date whatever women they want, whether they taller or shorter.

I have never denied I have "shit" game. So you might be onto something here. It's the reason I found this site and read Roosh's books. If I didn't have problems getting women I wouldn't be here, and while many men on this site don't like to admit it, they are in the same boat as myself.

I'm 5'11" and don't consider height a problem. I do think I would be better off if i was 6'3" though. And my response was not personal experience of being denied by taller women, it was more so life experience/observation of a 29 years.

Fact is, we all go out to bars, malls, clubs, grocery stores, etc. Try looking around and counting how often you see a women with a man shorter than her. It's sticks out like a sore thumb and is not hard to see. And what you will notice is... it's rare.

But hell if you're 5'8" and you kill tall bitches all day, good for you, you are not the norm. Or maybe you are, but while these taller women enjoy having sex with you, they obviously don't enjoy being seen in public with you. Then again I've never been to chile.