Today is "bicycle day"

Its 4/20 blaze it fgts

Quote: (04-19-2014 06:34 PM)w00t Wrote:  

Quote: (04-19-2014 02:35 PM)JoyStick Wrote:  

Everybody should try acid at least once.

Why?

Drugs are a waste of time IMO.

to know what crazy shit your brain is capable of.

I'm actually going to the beach tomorrow and dropping acid. I'm going to relax and watch the multi color sunset and all the cool shapes the clouds form. I can't wait.

Quote: (04-19-2014 02:30 PM)Jaydublin Wrote:  

I've heard some pretty good stories on DMT and it doesn't last long at all. Anybody have any experience with it?

The craziest experience I have ever had in terms of drugs. You know how when acid/shrooms/weed are represented in the media they show someone floating in a world of colors/shapes/patterns? Well that is what DMT is actually like. You crossover and are no longer in this reality. What surprised me the most when I was on it was that it was a strangely familiar feeling and I was in a strangely familiar place. It's like a dream in that you don't remember too much of it, but I would recommend it to anyone of sound mental health. It's really trippy/enlightening.

About LSD, I've done it about 12 times and had 2 bad trips from it. I would recommend it as well, but I can't stress set/setting enough. Be with friends you trust/like and be in a good state of mind when you do it. I found that it really stripped me of my conditioning and I was able to pay attention to aspects of myself that I didn't notice prior to taking it. Things like nervous ticks/behavior patterns became glaringly obvious. It makes sense to me how LSD can be used to treat OCD.

Also, about Steve Jobs, I remember him saying something like this: "Life can be much broader once you discover one simple fact: Everything around you that you call life was made up by people that were no smarter than you and you can change it, you can influence it, you can build your own things that other people can use.

Once you learn that, you'll never be the same again."
I came to a very similar conclusion when I was on LSD the first time I took it. Some systems/inventions are so complex that they seem sort of out of reach to the normal person, but on LSD I had a very strong sense of how human the world around me was, if that makes sense.

Read some Aldous Huxley if you're interested in this subject.

Here are the 5 levels of psychedelic experience listed on wikipedia. Level 5 sounds amazing!! -- "Intelligent beings attempting to communicate with users via visual linguistics & mathematics. People report beings/entities manipulating what the user can see and view, propelling the user in different directions at disorienting speeds, forcing the user to view both macro and microscopic scale objects including: planetary systems, galaxies, quasars, natural environments, space habitats, technological utopias, neurons, DNA, mitochondria, trilobites, cephalopods, bryozoa and artificial self-replicating machines."

I've only used weed/hash myself.

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Level 1
This level produces a mild 'stoning' effect, with some visual enhancement (i.e. brighter colours). Some short term memory anomalies. Left/right brain communication changes causing music to sound 'wider'. Can be achieved with common doses of cannabis and MDMA, light doses of MDA, and light doses of psilocybin mushrooms.

Level 2
Bright colours and visuals (i.e. things start to move and breathe). Some 2-dimensional patterns become apparent upon shutting eyes. Confused or reminiscent thoughts. Change in short term memory leads to continual distractive thought patterns. Vast increase in abstract thought becomes apparent as the natural brain filter is bypassed. Can be achieved with strong doses of cannabis, light doses of LSD, light to common doses of psilocybin mushrooms, light to common doses of peyote, strong to heavy doses of MDMA, and common doses of MDA and 2C-B.

Level 3
Very obvious visuals, everything looks curved and warped, patterns and kaleidoscopes seen on walls and faces. Some mild hallucinations such as rivers flowing in wood grain or 'mother of pearl' surfaces. Closed-eye hallucinations become 3-dimensional. There is some confusing of the senses (synesthesia). Time distortions and 'moments of eternity'. Movement at times becomes extremely difficult (too much effort required). Can be achieved with common doses of LSD, psilocybin mushrooms, peyote, and ayahuasca.

Level 4
Strong hallucinations, i.e. objects morphing into other objects. Destruction or multiple splittings of the ego. Things start talking to you or you find that you are feeling contradictory things simultaneously. Some loss of reality. Time becomes meaningless. Out-of-body experiences and ESP type phenomena. Blending of the senses. Can be achieved with strong doses of LSD, strong doses of psilocybin mushrooms, strong to heavy doses of peyote, and common to strong doses of ayahuasca.

Level 5
Of the classical psychedelics, only DMT and very high doses of psilocybin are considered to be able to induce level 5 effects, however ketamine and Salvia divinorum, whose effects can be considered atypically psychedelic, can induce experiences of comparable intensity to those level 5 experiences triggered by traditional psychedelics. Experiences include total loss of visual connection with reality, the sense of not being human or having a body, and the feeling of being in many places at the same time. The loss of reality is so extreme that it becomes ineffable. People have been reported seeing themselves in entirely different settings than their original setting, and many people experience the feeling of being in a simulated reality. Religious phenomenon is reported at this level; often mentioned is a connection to an "all-knowing presence" or a "universal knowledge", which many equate with extra-terrestrials, artificial intelligence, God, love, or "enlightenment". Users commonly report:

1) Being clearly thrust into outer-space at extreme speed.
2) Being thrust into an expansive void-like alternate dimension consisting of bright colorful fast moving kaleidoscopic environments, dynamic pulsating colored beams, as well as complex three-dimensional geometric, mathematical, and linguistic patterns made of light.
3) Continually traveling at great speeds, while watching patterns fly by morph, open, and reveal more complex patterns within.
4) Encountering different types of living beings and superintelligent body-less entities at the same time as 1, 2, and 3. These reports include contact with free-floating entities made of light resembling giant spheres, humanoids, multiple types of unrecognizable insects, human-sized praying mantises, elves, cephalopods, complex robotic machines, and plants.
5) Intelligent beings attempting to communicate with users via visual linguistics, mathematics, morphing colored diamonds of different textures (flesh, gold, liquid metal, colored light). People report beings/entities manipulating what the user can see and view, propelling the user in different directions at disorienting speeds, forcing the user to view both macro and microscopic scale objects including: planetary systems, galaxies, quasars, natural environments, space habitats, technological utopias, neurons, DNA, mitochondria, trilobites, cephalopods, bryozoa and artificial self-replicating machines.

Most users report similar auditory patterns, of a combined high frequency whine, and a slow deep throbbing tone similar to a heart beat. Most DMT users report feeling psychologically uninhibited, clear headed while experiencing peak effects, and able to maintain the ability to think and reason in the above circumstances.

I got to level 3 by eating weed.

Level 5 sounds scary as fuck!

I've never done acid. Never smoked up regularly either. But many friends who do have told me it just makes them relaxed in their approach towards life.

Things like materialistic desires and unnecessary ambition go away. They fall more in touch with who they are. But I've also seen some of them become too complacent. There is a difference between laziness and a relaxed approach, and I've seen both types. So I guess it does impact you but what you do with that learning is entirely up to the individual.

This dude has a perma-trip from getting kicked in the head
http://nypost.com/2014/04/20/how-a-brain...-a-genius/

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The next morning (after getting hit in the head), while running the water in the bathroom, he noticed “lines emanating out perpendicularly from the flow. At first, I was startled, and worried for myself, but it was so beautiful that I just stood in my slippers and stared.”

Funny article about Hunter S Thompson dosing his illustrator with LSD
http://nypost.com/2014/04/19/lsd-trip-wi...us-career/

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When illustrator Ralph Steadman hit the high seas in September 1970 to cover the America’s Cup with a new collaborator, journalist Hunter S. Thompson, he saw the writer taking numerous pills. So he asked if Thompson had anything to combat seasickness.

If it hadn’t been just their second time meeting, Steadman might have known better.

The pill Thompson gave him was LSD — marking the only occasion that the strait-laced Steadman has ever done the drug.
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Ralph Steadman and Hunter Thompson at the “Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas” 25th Anniversary Party New York City on Nov. 11, 1996.Photo: WireImage

“I started to feel not only weird, but wanting to do something,” Steadman, 77, tells The Post.

Thompson had brought two cans of spray paint, and the tripping Steadman had the idea to paint something on the side of nearby boats. He decided on the phrase “F–k the Pope,” and the pair had just begun shaking their spray cans when they heard a voice asking them what they were doing.

“God, pigs. We’ve failed!” yelled Thompson. “We must flee!”

I have a lot of experience with Lsd. In my own experience and that of others I give this sincere warning. There are much safer and more user friendly alternatives. Lsd, being a chemical mixture rather than a plant or mycellium that grows naturally, can act a bit harshly on our bodies and minds in sometimes quite unfriendly ways.
I've had good trips and bad. The best was a night on the beach with a roaring fire, friends, music and about 30 hits of liquid platinum Lsd in my system. My friend had a bad trip that night and was spun out for a couple years.
I witnessed a good friend of mine strip naked at a campfire on the river and hurl himself like a moth into the flames. He literally jumped into the fire. I saw another guy go on a Jesus trip and tried to baptise everyone in sight. That got real fucked up and ultimately led to his divorce.
I've only known one girl who had a bad trip on acid and she was hospitalized for a couple days. She seems recovered now and even though she's an 8, she's hit the wall and can't keep a man around.
I've known very intelligent guys who were turned into incoherent lunatics in need of constant supervision and medication.

Stick with the natural stuff guys. Protect yourselves and your minds. A man without his ability to rationalize or think is nothing. Lsd is too dangerous to be fucking around with something as fragile as your brain.

Quote: (04-19-2014 06:34 PM)w00t Wrote:  

Quote: (04-19-2014 02:35 PM)JoyStick Wrote:  

Everybody should try acid at least once.

Why?

Drugs are a waste of time IMO.

Which ones have you tried?

Quote: (04-20-2014 05:29 PM)PoosyWrecker Wrote:  

Quote: (04-19-2014 06:34 PM)w00t Wrote:  

Quote: (04-19-2014 02:35 PM)JoyStick Wrote:  

Everybody should try acid at least once.

Why?

Drugs are a waste of time IMO.

Which ones have you tried?

MDMA, MDA, Amphetamine, LSD, Mushrooms, Weed, GBL...

Check out the Facebook page Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies

I did a ton of acid in high school. I suppose it made me even more open-minded but I don't think it was this life altering experience.

Ecstasy was more life changing. The level of acceptance I felt for all people is something I can still remember quite well and something that keeps my misanthropy in check when when I see all the stupid shit people do.

I recommend weed to anyone who needs to do creative work, but don't smoke too often. For me, weed gives me a ton of creative energy but only if I smoke once per month or less. Otherwise I just get very talkative.


BTW, smart people do more drugs than dumb people. This is a pretty consistent finding and has been replicated across drug types.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-...more-drugs

Mild consumption from time to time is nothing bad. I smoke a joint like once a month and that's it. But I remember my friend who used to take LSD few days a week. After few months of this he started to really deteriorate mentally and had these retard moments where he just watched you in silence with his mouth open and drooling. I also knew a girl who did coke regularly. She would blow you or fuck you wherever you wanted if she knew you can get her some.

I'm not a fan of acid. Mushrooms are magic. They changed my life. You can't explain them, it's something you have to try for yourself.

Quote: (04-19-2014 01:33 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

I don't want to be rude about people that take drugs. But I sometimes that people of lesser intelligence are more impressed by drugs than those who have the ability to think deeply.

There's actually a fairly high correlation between drug use and intelligence.

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Intelligent people work in creative industries, are richer and have more free time to be stoned and not give a fuck.

That skews the statistics.

If you look at the fields of science, mathematics, business, music, art, film making and writing - you will find that the best people don't take many drugs. Apart from the alcohol and cigarettes.

And those that do take powerful drugs (like acid) tend to just do it once. For instance - the Beatles and Steve Jobs.

If you lined up the top thousand people in any industry - you will find that alcohol is the most common drug, followed by cigarettes, followed by cocaine or weed - with powerful psychedelics trailing in the background. And even those people who use powerful drugs will tend not to make a habit of it.

That is the type of analysis that is important. Not just comparing whether or not people with higher IQ's take more drugs than people with lower IQ's.

Since there is a strong correlation between certain types of jobs, education (ie killing time at Uni) and wealth - and IQ.

Such that you may as well say that people with higher IQ's are more likely to drive expensive cars. Even though buying an expensive car is a stupid thing to do since you are paying ultimately paying for status - and trying to impress people is a dumb game to play.

Quote: (04-24-2014 11:07 AM)cardguy Wrote:  

Intelligent people work in creative industries, are richer and have more free time to be stoned and not give a fuck.

That skews the statistics.

If you look at the fields of science, mathematics, business, music, art, film making and writing - you will find that the best people don't take many drugs. Apart from the alcohol and cigarettes.

And those that do take powerful drugs (like acid) tend to just do it once. For instance - the Beatles and Steve Jobs.

If you lined up the top thousand people in any industry - you will find that alcohol is the most common drug, followed by cigarettes, followed by cocaine or weed - with powerful psychedelics trailing in the background. And even those people who use powerful drugs will tend not to make a habit of it.

That is the type of analysis that is important. Not just comparing whether or not people with higher IQ's take more drugs than people with lower IQ's.

Since there is a strong correlation between certain types of jobs, education (ie killing time at Uni) and wealth - and IQ.

Such that you may as well say that people with higher IQ's are more likely to drive expensive cars. Even though buying an expensive car is a stupid thing to do since you are paying ultimately paying for status - and trying to impress people is a dumb game to play.

Show me the data.

Poor people with low IQs who live in the projects have a ton of free time. Why aren't they skewing the statistics to show that people with low IQs do more drugs?

We can come up with all sorts of rationalizations, but unless they actually fit the facts those rationalizations smell just as bad as the ass we pulled them out of.

There have been studies that show more intelligent and creative people tend to have addiction problem. I'm not supplying the data, it can be googled.

I prefer shrooms to acid. Both are fun, but LSD puts me in a very nihilistic mood: "We're just living in the echoes of things that happened eons ago man, there's nothing we can do to change or fix things" vs. the shroom's effects of:"Wheeeee, I'm a dancing child of the Universe!" Acid feels like I'm on a fast ship moving through the alternate world, whereas shrooms feels like I'm carefully walking through it, trying to appreciate the native inhabitants. Yeah, I did a lot of those things.

I've done A LOT of shrooms and acid, love them. (Absolutely blew up my worldview, I started to learn about red pill shortly after, that totally changed me. Of course I smoke weed on a regular basis, and drink alcohol a few times a week, too.)

In my experience, all the other drug-using folks I know who like hallucinogenics, even if they are poor, all tend to be intelligent, well-read, well-rounded people.

The unintelligent drug-users I know, the ones who can't have a deep conversation, haven't cracked a book in years or ever, watch shit TV, are unemployed, etc., HATE acid, shrooms, or anything psychedelic. They drink alcohol and smoke weed as well, but when it comes to the hard/illegal stuff, they prefer cocaine, crack, meth and speed type drugs that make you go "Y-YEAH!" instead of "Whoa, mindexplode.gif".

There was a study done on priests in seminary who were administered psilocybin (shrooms) several decades ago, and when they were followed-up on decades later, they still rated the experience as one of the most spiritual experiences that they had ever had.

@ElBorrachoInfamoso - that is a fair rebuttal of what I wrote. Statistics are pretty useless these days - since people can always try and pick holes in the conclusions and spin a different way of trying to pull out what it is the numbers are saying.

As for acid (or magic mushrooms) - are flashbacks common? And is it scary when it happens?

Quote: (04-24-2014 12:28 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

@ElBorrachoInfamoso - that is a fair rebuttal of what I wrote. Statistics are pretty useless these days - since people can always try and pick holes in the conclusions and spin a different way of trying to pull out what it is the numbers are saying.

As for acid (or magic mushrooms) - are flashbacks common? And is it scary when it happens?

I think the occurrence of flashbacks is blown way out of proportion. I've done Shrooms 6 times, acid like 12 times and DMT twice and I've never had a single 'flashback' the way they're described.

I don't think shrooms cause flashbacks at all, since they exit the body entirely. They are technically a poisonous substance, so the body flushes it out when all is said and done. To accurately test for psilocybin, you have to check feces, and if it's been longer than a couple days, the test will be negative. LSD hangs around in the spinal fluid. I had a friend who had done so much, every time he cracked his back, he had a short trip.

"Flashbacks", and all those other stories where a person killed or maimed themselves under a frightening delusion are overblown, like J Doe sez. They're probably mostly urban legend, but if they do occur, it probably happens to teenagers who have a witches brew of hormones boiling in their brains already, or the user took way way way too much.

Know the dosing, that's of utmost importance. Secondary is being in a peaceful or happy state of mind when you take, if you've been anxious at all or angry, you're going to have a bad time.
Everyone I know who tried tripping and hated it usually made the rookie mistakes: they took too much, they also took other drugs that don't react well, or they went out into the middle of the woods at night and got scared. In your own living room with experienced friends is the best way to trip your first time.

Check out erowid.org, it's a great resource for stories, effects, dosing, etc of virtually every psychoactive drug known to man.

Quote: (04-24-2014 12:28 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

As for acid (or magic mushrooms) - are flashbacks common? And is it scary when it happens?

I never did shrooms so I can't speak to that.

I did get flashbacks from acid though. I've had dozens of flashbacks from acid but I haven't had any since about 1-1.5 years after I quit taking acid completely. They were never severe and never caused much impairment. They were more like mild sensory hallucinations e.g. getting evanescent squiggly lines in my field of vision, or the pattern of a carpet appearing to undulate. I did a lot of acid though. I stopped counting around 50 hits but I estimate I reached 70ish hits before I got sick of it and gave up acid completely.

Half of my druggy friends from high school are doing just fine, engineers, MDs, businesspeople, etc. the other half completely fucked up their lives.