Travelling to other countries isn't an option for me, so I wonder where traditional / submissive women can be found. I've seen a lot of blogs written by women talking about submissiveness, and that's great, but I've not seen any forums for submissive women, so I'm wondering just how rare they are, and where they can be found.

Where do you go to meet them? Where do they hang out? What I mean is, if you were a submissive / traditional woman in her 20s, what things would you be into and how would you spend your time? Where could you be found?

By the way I don't mean submissive as in sexually submissive, I mean it in the other sense.

Pretty much the only submissive young women in the U.S. these days are girls who have been raised very religious families or who are the daughters of first generation immigrants who have strong, alpha fathers (most common with Latin girls and Asians with domineering fathers).

Girls from the South and rural areas in general are also more likely to be traditionally submissive.

Mormon girls are very traditional and family-oriented. Of course, if the girl you're after is legitimately traditional, gaming her isn't going to be easy. You'd better be prepared for a serious LTR. A traditional girl with old-fashioned values will most likely take months to put out (and if she doesn't, then she obviously wasn't as traditional as you thought).

But in general, the traditional/submissive attitude for women is so outside of the norm these days that it is essentially entirely absent in modern popular culture. Therefore, women who hold on to those values will generally withdraw as much as possible from popular culture, and seek to insulate themselves from the influence of feminism. This is why they seek refuge in religious congregations and immigrant communities that act as islands in the sea of American feminism.

So basically, if you really want to land a submissive/traditional girl in the U.S., I recommend you brush up on your Bible and work your church game. You should also be prepared to aim for LTRs rather than short flings. If you aren't prepared to make those sacrifices, your chances of stumbling upon a traditional/submissive woman in a bar or on the street of modern America are about the same as stumbling upon Bigfoot.

Quote: (01-01-2013 09:59 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

Pretty much the only submissive young women in the U.S. these days are girls who have been raised very religious families or who are the daughters of first generation immigrants who have strong, alpha fathers (most common with Latin girls and Asians with domineering fathers).

Girls from the South and rural areas in general are also more likely to be traditionally submissive.

Mormon girls are very traditional and family-oriented. Of course, if the girl you're after is legitimately traditional, gaming her isn't going to be easy. You'd better be prepared for a serious LTR. A traditional girl with old-fashioned values will most likely take months to put out (and if she doesn't, then she obviously wasn't as traditional as you thought).

But in general, the traditional/submissive attitude for women is so outside of the norm these days that it is essentially entirely absent in modern popular culture. Therefore, women who hold on to those values will generally withdraw as much as possible from popular culture, and seek to insulate themselves from the influence of feminism. This is why they seek refuge in religious congregations and immigrant communities that act as islands in the sea of American feminism.

So basically, if you really want to land a submissive/traditional girl in the U.S., I recommend you brush up on your Bible and work your church game. You should also be prepared to aim for LTRs rather than short flings. If you aren't prepared to make those sacrifices, your chances of stumbling upon a traditional/submissive woman in a bar or on the street of modern America are about the same as stumbling upon Bigfoot.

I live in the UK, so no mormons here. I have no problem waiting to get laid, in fact if the girl is of good quality, I would want to wait anyway, so as to not become hypnotized, and I can focus on scrutinizing her inner qualities.

I agree that bars aren't the place to find them, almost certainly in most cases at least, although I see no reason for a traditional girl not to ever go to a bar now and then. I'm not sure about church though. Firstly, I've heard that church girls aren't necessarily better than the rest. Also, I recently went to church to have a look around and I didn't see much worth looking at.

I guess one possibility is a girl who isn't traditional just because of her culture (as that would come with lots of baggage), but one who has decided on her own that it's the best way to be, and has actively decided to become that way. Or maybe a girl who's part of a culture like that but hasn't been brought up too strictly within that culture. Either way, I think it's important to find someone who was brought up by both parents (who are still together).

Also, I'll never get married. So the girl would have to be ok with that.

Ultimately I think the best idea is to find a pool / source of women like that, so that if it doesn't work out with one, I can quickly shift to another one rather than finding myself back at square one.

Quote: (01-01-2013 09:59 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

Pretty much the only submissive young women in the U.S. these days are girls who have been raised very religious families or who are the daughters of first generation immigrants who have strong, alpha fathers (most common with Latin girls and Asians with domineering fathers).

I love the second generation immigrant girls, it's probably not a coincidence that the greatest women in my life had parents that moved to the US from Latin America or South Asia. To me you tend to get the best of both worlds with these girls, they're raised to have that inner foundation of traditional values e.g. they will actually enjoy nurturing their man, know how to cook really well, and have a strong inner character. At the same time the fact that they grew up here means often they are more open (sexually and otherwise) than their sisters back in the homeland.

I think in some ways these girls give you a snapshot of what US girls in general were probably like in the 60's and 70's, when you had people raised in a more traditional society but were breaking free from it and living more individualistic lives.

Quote: (01-01-2013 09:59 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

Mormon girls are very traditional and family-oriented. Of course, if the girl you're after is legitimately traditional, gaming her isn't going to be easy. You'd better be prepared for a serious LTR. A traditional girl with old-fashioned values will most likely take months to put out (and if she doesn't, then she obviously wasn't as traditional as you thought).

Speaking as an ex-mormon I can attest to this. I was born and raised within the church and I can absolutely confirm that 99% of mormon girls are totally submissive and traditional. And from my experience, almost always filthy in the sack. Must be all the sexual repression. They'll resist a little longer than most, but its a real achievement when you bag one. Everyone should try for the Mormon flag at least some point in their game career in my opinion.

Im thrilled by the concept of a mormon flag. Its funny.

If you are truly dominant, submissive women are everywhere. They just pop out of the wood work.

Don't hide your true colors.

I doubt there are any mormons in the UK, where I live. But I wonder if there are any other religious groups where the females are similar in that particular way.

@Johnny1975 No mormons in the UK......are you sure mate??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/...y/uk.shtml

Nearly 200,000 as of 2008

Quote: (01-01-2013 03:16 PM)Johnny1975 Wrote:  

I doubt there are any mormons in the UK, where I live. But I wonder if there are any other religious groups where the females are similar in that particular way.

There are Mormons everywhere.

It's the fastest growing religion in the world.

Ok fair enough. Actually that reminds me, I know one. But aren't mormons a bit weird? What about Jehovah's Witnesses? They're a bit odd, aren't they? I don't mind making sacrifices but I just really don't want to date crazy, weird people.

Please don't make me date crazy, weird people.

Quote: (01-01-2013 03:58 PM)Johnny1975 Wrote:  

Please don't make me date crazy, weird people.

Better not date any American birds then.

Where to find traditional/submissive women?

Answer: In traditional cultures/families/sub-cultures/areas/etc. Certain parts of the country are more traditional then others. Certain parts of the country are more religious. Check the small towns, rural areas, conservative areas, immigrant areas, religious areas, etc.

This might be a surprise to guys who have not hung around Mormon girls. They can be big time sluts. I know, it goes against everything you read and probably think about Mormon people, but its the truth. When I was in high school my friends and I started hanging around a group of girls from a rich private high school. Mormon girls. They were rich, classy, and beautiful. They would act very proper and talk religion around their friends but when they got around us it was like they were on vacation in Vegas. They turned into party girls. I grew up thinking Mormons were strict and prude etc. These girls were wild, it was almost like they were living a double life. As I got older I met more Mormon girls and I found this double life thing to be a common thing. They act they way they are supposed to around other Mormons but when they get a chance to let loose they really go for it.


I think being so strict about sex only makes these girls want to do it more.

Quote: (01-01-2013 04:02 PM)Rex Wrote:  

Quote: (01-01-2013 03:58 PM)Johnny1975 Wrote:  

Please don't make me date crazy, weird people.

Better not date any American birds then.

hahahaha Rex well played mate.....to be honest I think that although the sort of less mainstream religions (mormonism, jehovah's witnesses, etc.) sometimes get a 'weird' connotation, I have met many from both that unless you asked them you wouldn't know they belonged to those religions. Not everyone is one of those nutters that ride around on bikes stopping you trying to get you to join up. Nowadays I feel like people don't let their religion define them as much, especially the younger generation.

Quote: (01-01-2013 04:08 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Where to find traditional/submissive women?

Answer: In traditional cultures/families/sub-cultures/areas/etc. Certain parts of the country are more traditional then others. Certain parts of the country are more religious. Check the small towns, rural areas, conservative areas, immigrant areas, religious areas, etc.

This might be a surprise to guys who have not hung around Mormon girls. They can be big time sluts. I know, it goes against everything you read and probably think about Mormon people, but its the truth. When I was in high school my friends and I started hanging around a group of girls from a rich private high school. Mormon girls. They were rich, classy, and beautiful. They would act very proper and talk religion around their friends but when they got around us it was like they were on vacation in Vegas. They turned into party girls. I grew up thinking Mormons were strict and prude etc. These girls were wild, it was almost like they were living a double life. As I got older I met more Mormon girls and I found this double life thing to be a common thing. They act they way they are supposed too around other Mormons but when they get a chance to let loose they really go for it.


I think being so strict about sex only makes these girls want to do it more.

That sounds appealing from the point of view of wanting to get laid. However, what I'm looking for is a girl who is decent, while also being sexually normal. i.e. no jekyll / hyde attitude to sex.

I can't seem to be able to edit my posts. I was trying to edit my first post to mention that I live in the UK.

Quote: (01-01-2013 04:08 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Where to find traditional/submissive women?

Answer: In traditional cultures/families/sub-cultures/areas/etc. Certain parts of the country are more traditional then others. Certain parts of the country are more religious. Check the small towns, rural areas, conservative areas, immigrant areas, religious areas, etc.

This might be a surprise to guys who have not hung around Mormon girls. They can be big time sluts. I know, it goes against everything you read and probably think about Mormon people, but its the truth. When I was in high school my friends and I started hanging around a group of girls from a rich private high school. Mormon girls. They were rich, classy, and beautiful. They would act very proper and talk religion around their friends but when they got around us it was like they were on vacation in Vegas. They turned into party girls. I grew up thinking Mormons were strict and prude etc. These girls were wild, it was almost like they were living a double life. As I got older I met more Mormon girls and I found this double life thing to be a common thing. They act they way they are supposed too around other Mormons but when they get a chance to let loose they really go for it.


I think being so strict about sex only makes these girls want to do it more.

I have had the same experience as well. Although limited. (More because I have never been too interested in them. Too much cultural gap between them and me).

Quote: (01-01-2013 02:30 PM)silverbullit Wrote:  

If you are truly dominant, submissive women are everywhere. They just pop out of the wood work.

Don't hide your true colors.

Yeah this makes sense in my experience. However, that said, sometimes its a facade when you need to act SO dominant in order to make Anglo girls submissive. I don't enjoy being like that. I'd rather be in a country where I can be just steadily Alpha, but not a dick, and the women are more naturally submissive naturally.

'Traditional' and 'submissive' are two separate concepts.

A woman can be traditional and non-submissive - e.g. having a low notch count but bitching if you even so much as gently slap her ass.

And a woman can be non-traditional and submissive - e.g. having a massive cock count and enjoy being psychologically and sexually dominated.

If you want just a traditional woman, plenty to choose from. Ditto submissives.

But if you want both types in one woman - the traditional (low cock count) and submissive (obedient) – best of luck mate. Such women are very rare in the West.

Forget white women for starters - even if they're traditional in virtue of being part of some church, feminism has most likely conditioned such women to be less submissive than they would otherwise be.

Best bet is to meet a woman from an immigrant family - one born in the West or arrived in the West at an early age, one conditioned into traditional cultural values, but also concurrently exposed to Western culture. I've had a few such women (chinese, filipino, and bengali) and they are the best. They have zero or little notch counts. Fall in love deeply. Pay for dinner. Buy you gifts. Attend to you, make sure you have what you want when eating. Idealise you. Depend on you. Love you. Real love. And the sex - total domination. Better than porn. Fucking awesome. Doesn't get better than that.

Difficult to find such women in the West, but definitely worth finding. One of them is worth a thousand skanks. Priceless. (Just don't show it! Aloof game always!)

Quote: (01-01-2013 04:33 PM)Rex Wrote:  

'Traditional' and 'submissive' are two separate concepts.

A woman can be traditional and non-submissive - e.g. having a low notch count but bitching if you even so much as gently slap her ass.

And a woman can be non-traditional and submissive - e.g. having a massive cock count and enjoy being psychologically and sexually dominated.

If you want just a traditional woman, plenty to choose from. Ditto submissives.

But if you want both types in one woman - the traditional (low cock count) and submissive (obedient) – best of luck mate. Such women are very rare in the West.

Forget white women for starters - even if they're traditional in virtue of being part of some church, feminism has most likely conditioned such women to be less submissive than they would otherwise be.

Best bet is to meet a woman from an immigrant family - one born in the West or arrived in the West at a young age, one conditioned into traditional cultural values, but also concurrently exposed to Western culture. I've had a few such women (chinese, fililipino, and bengali) and they are the best. They have zero or little notch counts. Fall in love deeply. Pay for dinner. Buy you gifts. Attend to you, make sure you have what you want when eating. Idealise you. Depend on you. Love you. Real love. And the sex - total domination. Better than porn. Fucking awesome. Doesn't get better than that.

Difficult to find such women in the West, but definitely worth finding. One of them is worth a thousand skanks. Priceless. (Just don't show it! Aloof game always!)

When I say traditional / submissive, I really mean a woman who is normal and who is what all women should be. It doesn't matter whether they're very submissive or a bit submissive (as long as they're submissive enough), and they don't need to be hugely traditional in any cultural sense. Just a decent girl with priorities and some sense of honour.

Girls who come from other countries (I'm in the UK by the way) is a good idea, but what I'm looking for is a pool, a source, to choose from, to draw from, rather than twiddling my thumbs waiting for one to come along. But where would a decent woman aged say 23-28 hang out? I mean, are there any specific places where they might go to? For example, if I was to decide that muslim women are for me, I'd hang out at a mosque or find out if they have social events, and turn up. Are there any societies or associations for feminine, decent women with values? Look at this forum and other forums like it (MGTOW, happierabroad, etc), they are communities for like minded people. I wonder if there's the equivalent for decent women who don't agree with feminism and like to be a bit more traditional and submissive. I've seen lots of blogs but no forums. As for places to go to actually meet them, nothing. Yes I know they're everywhere but I want to identify them.

By the way does anyone know how I can edit my posts? Clisking on EDIt does nothing.

Quote: (01-01-2013 04:18 PM)Johnny1975 Wrote:  

However, what I'm looking for is a girl who is decent, while also being sexually normal. i.e. no jekyll / hyde attitude to sex.

Oh, you want a nice, traditional girl to marry?

What are you doing here on this players forum? Just curious?

You should be hanging around people who have the same values as yourself, people who want a traditional type of lifestyle. You should be hanging at Christian singles events, (Or Muslim singles events), or at church or the library, or self help seminars.

You should socialize with like minded people.

You should join a Mormon church. I'm sure most of the girls are pretty traditional. The ones I've described are probably the exception.

Shit, maybe you could have a 2 or 3 wives! (If you are into that sort of thing)

Quote: (01-01-2013 04:21 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I have had the same experience as well. Although limited. (More because I have never been too interested in them. Too much cultural gap between them and me).

There are some beautiful Mormon women. I enjoy talking to them because they are often so different from me. It's like we are from different planets. It can be very interesting (and sexy). In an "opposites attract" sort of way.

Quote: (01-01-2013 02:30 PM)silverbullit Wrote:  

If you are truly dominant, submissive women are everywhere. They just pop out of the wood work.

Don't hide your true colors.

I think this is a great point. If you are really a dominant man, submissive women will find you, they will gravitate towards you.

You are like a flame, they are like a moth.

Quote: (01-01-2013 04:42 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Quote: (01-01-2013 04:18 PM)Johnny1975 Wrote:  

However, what I'm looking for is a girl who is decent, while also being sexually normal. i.e. no jekyll / hyde attitude to sex.

Oh, you want a nice, traditional girl to marry?

What are you doing here on this players forum? Just curious?

You should be hanging around people who have the same values as yourself, people who want a traditional type of lifestyle. You should be hanging at Christian singles events, (Or Muslim singles events), or at church or the library, or self help seminars.

You should socialize with like minded people.

You should join a Mormon church. I'm sure most of the girls are pretty traditional. The ones I've described are probably the exception.

Shit, maybe you could have a 2 or 3 wives! (If you are into that sort of thing)

I'll never ever marry anyone. Live with, yes. Kids, yes. But not actually get married.

I know most of you are players but you're against feminism like me, and you are aware that there's something very wrong with many women, especially western women, as am I. And anyway, I'd like to pass a bit of time having sex with older women while I look for something decent.


How do I edit posts? Clicking EDIT doesn't work.

Bump. Come on, this is a good thread.

I saw so many guys join the Mormon faith solely for the women. Shits crazy but its true. There are hundreds of thousands of us in the uk, we literally are everywhere. And we're super horny.

most of asia and most of latin america. btw there is no going back after you have dated them. if i ever had to live in the us again i would only date girls from foreign countries. all i can say is that the difference between women in those countries and the usa is night and day. im down with fucking women in the us but spending tiime with them? its very hard to justify that after spending as much time as i have in foreign countries where women KNOW how to treat a man.

ask yourself has a women ever done your laundry by hand? cleaned your toliet? cooked a 3 course meal for you? if not dont settle and look to women abroad who gladly do those things for you. also there is little issue with getting laid. she assumes if you dont get it from her you will find someone else.

As much as I'd like to, going abroad isn't an option for me. I live in the UK.