Quote: (11-01-2012 05:03 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

if you're a bar club person. work on that style of game.
you'll be surprised how many girls are itching to get railed..but no one has the balls to come up and talk to them

I spent some time in a uni in germany and have also come to this conclusion. The level of neediness of some girls were extreme, girls wanted to spend the whole weekend together, from friday after class till sunday night, plus every night of the week they wanted to sleep over.

I view this as a foreigner this way, because among the german men I met, the university aged ones behaved like spoiled children, they expected women to approach, and do much of the leg work to make it happen. The older men were working cyborgs, there was not a lot of life in their eyes...

On the bright side, there are lots of opportunities for you there. Simple approach is to play numbers game, eventually you will hit jackpot

Quote: (11-05-2012 10:42 PM)pobreinvestidor Wrote:  

On the bright side, there are lots of opportunities for you there. Simple approach is to play numbers game, eventually you will hit jackpot

LOL, so true. I'm happy I'm not the only one who notices this. :-).

Germans are racist for Turkish for a reason. U know this.

What TS writes about his diner with the 2 chicks is so recognizable. Gerry chicks expect to be entertained constantly while she can radiate out a "tough" vibe. It's like a wall. In scandinavia and EE the girls give back some feminine vibe and it's so much easier. I think the best asset for a man is to be hyperactive.

@ Wreckingball
Nice ,I live in Cologne. I dropped you a PM.
Yea, I know what you mean, alot of them are practically dead inside and have no idea of small talk. All they can do is work, learn and get wasted. It's hard to get into some kind of flow with them.

@pobreinvestor
About the sleepover, that's actually my biggest problem, my logistics. I still live together with my parents, no chance for bringing them home to me. And this is a very big problem I know, but I try anyway.. maybe some girl will invite me to her one day, although I doubt it, since getting invited to a girls home is something rarely seen here.
You're right, some are really needy. But you first have to game her.

@Marcellus
Yea exactly, thats true, I have experienced this tonight yet again.

I went out tonight on a student party.
While it seemed that you could nearly talk to anybody , the chicks didn't really respond good to flirting. It seemed to me that most of them just were there to get to known new people and friends, not guys.
I did talk to alot of girls there , eventually I got to known this 9/10 with a goddamn killer body that passes for me as a 10/10.
She was eyeing me before all the time already, with cold death stares.. you know, germany style.
The conversation was going good at the beginning, and I even got to isolate her, but then the typical german girl behaviour kicked in and she was just standing there demanding to be entertained by me. The biggest problem was we were on the dancefloor and she said she mainly listens to rock and can't dance to this. The vibe she was putting off was quite abrasive and she looked bored, couldn't get even a little smile out of her face. I already knew that this isn't going to lead anywhere, I didn't even knew how to flirt with her since she was cold like a frozen fish. I tried to grab her a bit every now to get her into some kind movement, but she just wouldn't do anything and just stand there.
Some moments later she said she wants to go to sleep anyway and left the student party, I didn't even want ask for her number.
Later I got to known another sweet girl, who , oh surprise, was a very open and communicative girl. She laughed alot at the things I said. She wasn't really that feminine though , and although we hit off very positive, she also responded negative to my attempt of dancing with her. Luckily I already beforehand got her #, but I don't expect anything from it. Soo yes, german girls give me a tough time, I don't know how to attack them, to what kind of flirting they are responding good.
I find it sad that even if the girl really really likes you at the first moment, you can pretty much fuck it up within minutes because of dumb small things and she won't forgive you. They rarely put in any effort, and demand being entertained by you.
I feel like a guy knocking on their door and trying to sell them shit. Since body language doesn't work at all on german girls, how do I flirt with them? What things I can eventually whipser them into their ear? I need to talk them into a sexual mood, make them flirty and curious, probably in a direct way, since this is how it works here. Any advice?

In before:
No, a sudden kiss won't do it. In my experience they don't respond well to it and need alot of preperation that leads them slowly to the climax. They don't give away kisses easily.

Quote: (11-06-2012 09:24 PM)Branimir Wrote:  

Nice ,I live in Cologne. I dropped you a PM.

I don't live very far from Köln (cologne). I was there a few months ago and what I noticed was the huge amount of chicks and even a lot of hot chicks walking around. Like big part of pedestrians are hot young woman. I'm playing with the idea to return and hit girls on the street. What is your experience with "daygame" there?

Quote: (11-06-2012 09:24 PM)Branimir Wrote:  

No, a sudden kiss won't do it. In my experience they don't respond well to it and need alot of preperation that leads them slowly to the climax. They don't give away kisses easily.

They WILL kiss if you can isolate and dance and she can tell her friends "she was drunk". But ONLY if you answer to the prerequisites.
Remember the unwritten rules:
1) it's ok to hook up with a guy if he's "hot".
I got noticed of this rule when my friend was bragging to her girlfriends that another girlfriend of her hooked up with a guy. Their problem was not the fact she hooked up, the problem was that they found the dude was "not hot". Being drunk is another prerequisite of course ;-)

Also remember that if a dude approaches them openly (comes over to talk) he's a creepy player dude. The woman is the one who does the approaches.

Woman... I'll never understand them.

Move to a WG, it is cheap so you pretty sure you can afford it since all the youth in germany receive some money either from Stipendium, job or hartz 4

Quote: (11-07-2012 07:38 AM)Marcellus Wrote:  

I don't live very far from Köln (cologne). I was there a few months ago and what I noticed was the huge amount of chicks and even a lot of hot chicks walking around. Like big part of pedestrians are hot young woman. I'm playing with the idea to return and hit girls on the street. What is your experience with "daygame" there?

They WILL kiss if you can isolate and dance and she can tell her friends "she was drunk". But ONLY if you answer to the prerequisites.
Remember the unwritten rules:
1) it's ok to hook up with a guy if he's "hot".
I got noticed of this rule when my friend was bragging to her girlfriends that another girlfriend of her hooked up with a guy. Their problem was not the fact she hooked up, the problem was that they found the dude was "not hot". Being drunk is another prerequisite of course ;-)

Also remember that if a dude approaches them openly (comes over to talk) he's a creepy player dude. The woman is the one who does the approaches.

Woman... I'll never understand them.

Hey mate,
cool idea you got there with daygaming. yea , we have alot of chicks here in cologne. it's also quite diverse. similiar to berlin.
good thing is: people in cologne are quite open, i hear alot we're like the chattiest bunch of people in germany by far. short discussions and smalltalk with stranges are to be seen quite often. especially when you go out on the evening.
though this is kept on a level that doesn't go deep, but remains on the surface.
everything is fine if its face to face, but if you try to reach them or text them to go out somewhere ? nobody gives a shit, everybody flakes, unless you really really befriend each other.
I don't have experience with daygaming, I'm not sure how daygaming would work here. It depends on the location alot i guess.
University and around the library? maybe you'll have some luck.
random street, working girl , or even our shopping street which is the busiest in europe (thousands of thousands people passing by ever hour, you could speak to a 100 girls here easily in 60min if you got the balls) ? most likely no.
it's a big city with alot of weird people, girls won't give away numbers like that and trust some stranger.
girls are totally not prepared to get hit on in daytime, they would be like "wtf?" and give you weird looks, because such things don't exist here.
I know i'm a bit pessimistic on this one, but it's just how i see the reality.

Yea I know, german girls have this unbearable fear to get called a slut.
Of course, if the guy is hot, it can be an excuse for everything.

PS: if you want to hit up a club sometime in cologne, just drop me a PM.
Most of my friends are pussies if it's about girls, so a wingman like you would be really cool.
And believe me, there's enough pussy for everyone on a friday/saturday night. Hell even during the week, student parties nearly everyday.

How do you feel an English bloke would get on daygaming out there? I've spent a lot of time in Hamburg and found that girls are very warm towards me when they know I'm English.. although this is at night not during the day. Would be thinking about playing the lost tourist card...

Quote: (11-04-2012 03:23 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

From my observations there are big differences among German girls from different regions.As a general rule Eastern German girls are more friendly although worse looking on average(beautiful ones have emigrated?).Northern German girls(Hamburg,Bremen) are top looking with Nordic looks and liberal but also very protestant similar to Dutch style(some guys prefer that).Southern German girls(Bavarian) are more similar to Austrian girls(central European style some other guys prefer that).In Berlin they have Prussian mentality and in Saxony they are very friendly.(due to communism,former egalitarian status?)

I think in general if a guy is good looking he will have good success in Northern Germany while if he is loaded he will kill it in southern Germany.Of course all these are generalizations.
German women are very spoiled by the high IQ of German men and expect foreign men to present the same IQ,education,depth etc which is often not the case.This is the way the German society freezes the foreigners off they just refuse to lower their levels,standards etc.

I like your observations but do you really think Berliners have a "Prussian" mentality? It is a city known for the arts and leftism (along with government), Prussians are *supposedly* hard-core militarists.

I'm surprised to hear your findings about German girls not making eye contact etc - One of the things I love about going to Germany is that girls are way more willing to make eye contact than the UK. I'm only really familiar with Hamburg though, could be different elsewhere.

How are you finding kino? One thing I found out very quickly is that Germans HATE to be touched, but I'm figuring you know that already!

Quote: (11-15-2012 11:51 AM)lush1 Wrote:  

I'm surprised to hear your findings about German girls not making eye contact etc - One of the things I love about going to Germany is that girls are way more willing to make eye contact than the UK. I'm only really familiar with Hamburg though, could be different elsewhere.

How are you finding kino? One thing I found out very quickly is that Germans HATE to be touched, but I'm figuring you know that already!

Germans in general like making eye contact because it is a form of aggression for them…so it may not mean the same thing as in other countries when a girl looks you in the eye (briefly).

Also I think it depends about them being touched, they will become extremely agitated if it's done in an inappropriate way or too soon in the relationship but as long as everything is "unter Kontrolle" (under control in case that's not obvious) they're ok with it. (Have you noticed a difference in their reactions to being touched publicly versus privately?)

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Germans in general like making eye contact because it is a form of aggression for them…so it may not mean the same thing as in other countries when a girl looks you in the eye (briefly).

Also I think it depends about them being touched, they will become extremely agitated if it's done in an inappropriate way or too soon in the relationship but as long as everything is "unter Kontrolle" (under control in case that's not obvious) they're ok with it. (Have you noticed a difference in their reactions to being touched publicly versus privately?) [/code]

I second this. A Bavarian friend from my dorm came over "for a drink" the other day. We were listening to music, drinking, I was tired and busy and had a lot of work to do. Anyway we start smoking and then rapidly started kissing and caressing her. She immediately stiffened and backed off but after a while eased into it. The german hamster was at full throttle and she wasn't down to fuck. But she is a horny girl and her bf lives far away so I'm hoping to stuff that turkey soon..

Im German and its true gaming here in GErmany is BRUTAL!
It became really apparent to me after living in Prague for one semester, where I had a blast and was making out with different chicks every week, banging multiple gfs. I could never reach a level of success like that in Germany and I tried.

German women are IMO first of all not very attractive and have ZERO sexual vibe.
Compared to other nationalities they simply look ugly or plain. The faces are not very pretty, the bodies are often not in a great shape and the asses are often wide yet flat.

The personalities are pretty shitty. Chicks are cold and dont show a lot of emotion. If you approach a chick and shes NOT into you then she can be really fucking rude.
Again Czech chicks were usually really nice and had some social skills, even if they were not into me they would respect me and treat me nice. Not so German chicks they can be real cunts.

The flakiness is IMO not a German phenomenon. I gamed chicks from all kinds of countries and they are all flakey to some extent. I think its more a symptom of too much choice for girls, they have so much guys throwing themselves at them, they just get flaky its a normal reaction.

With all tha tsaid its definitely possible to bang from cold approach in Germany.
All my lays are from cold approach and I know guys who really clean up here with laycounts in the triple digits. all from cold approach and they go through a ton of German girls too.

So it IS possible but your game better be tight and you better be a cold motherfuck or the harsh reality here will get to you. I was really getting depressed when I moved back to Germany from Prague.

Personally I have pretty much given up on German chicks and focus on all the foreign girls.
They are usually hotter AND nicer aswell.

it seems everytime I do go for a german girl I get punished.

For example last night I saw a girl at the busstop she was very tall. So I went up to her and asked how tall she is.
I have used thzis opener at least 10 times in Prague and I ALWAYS got a positive reaction.

Now this german chick just looked at me and barked "WHY???". I really didnt know what to do at that moment, I considered just bursting out laughing, punching her in the face or leaving right away.

You could propably break down these kinds of girl too if you just keep plowing like a motherfucker and get them invested at some point. BUt really whats the point if these girls are not that great looking to beging with?

So my solution is focus on foreign chicks (90% of my bangs are foreign girls) and work on leaving the country. Ill move to thailand next year so my sex live will be taken care off.

But yeah if youre determined and for some sick reason are attracted to german girls you CAN Definitely bang them. You need tight game, determination and better be a cold mofo though.

Another thing I dont think German women are intelligent, most of them are stupid as shit. They just like to argue alot and talk about the environment and whatnot.
For instance in my school there were girls with top grades who studied all the time. BUt they were basically really dumb, in a way that they never understood the concepts. They could RECITE everything perfectly but they didnt really understand anything. If you ask them "yes but what does that MEAN?" they would just geta blank look, they couldnt formulate any thoughts on their own. I guess it comes down to how you define intelligence.

About the guys most of them are complete chumps and dont approach girls EVER. Guys in Germany rely heavily on their looks and social circle to get laid. They basically just wait for pussy to fall in their lap. I know lots of dudes who are good looking and have tons of chicks who are all over them yet they hardly ever get laid because they never make a move. Then again you cant blame them if you take a look at german girls.

Oh and BTW please disregard this Devil Guy. The dude is a complete joke in the german PU community.

Quote: (11-23-2012 09:20 AM)capote Wrote:  

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Germans in general like making eye contact because it is a form of aggression for them…so it may not mean the same thing as in other countries when a girl looks you in the eye (briefly).

Also I think it depends about them being touched, they will become extremely agitated if it's done in an inappropriate way or too soon in the relationship but as long as everything is "unter Kontrolle" (under control in case that's not obvious) they're ok with it. (Have you noticed a difference in their reactions to being touched publicly versus privately?) [/code]

I second this. A Bavarian friend from my dorm came over "for a drink" the other day. We were listening to music, drinking, I was tired and busy and had a lot of work to do. Anyway we start smoking and then rapidly started kissing and caressing her. She immediately stiffened and backed off but after a while eased into it. The german hamster was at full throttle and she wasn't down to fuck. But she is a horny girl and her bf lives far away so I'm hoping to stuff that turkey soon..

I was in Hamburg a while back in a club and this girl had to clamber over some chairs to get onto a stage to dance, I went to put my hand on her arm to help her up (didnt grab or anything), something that is just gentlemanly. The girl fucking spazzed out and almost hit me. If I'd done the same thing in England the girl would have just smiled and said 'cheers mate'. I love German people but they can be fucking weird sometimes!

Do the women in German cities that border other more "emotional" countries have any of that in their character? For example, what are the girls in Karlsruhe an Stuttgard (near France) like? In the US you have the bitchy "smart girls" in places like DC, but you have much nicer down to earth girls in other parts of the country.

I've been using Day Bang as a guide from day one.

Girls here can be quite cold. There have been times where I've asked a girl for directions to a pet shop and they just keep walking pretending they can't hear me. Most of them are not open to strangers approaching them. However, once they learn that I am American and a "lost foreigner" they slowly warm up as I speak more and more about how "things are different here." It's like I can see that initial tension in them release when I start rambling about how I just moved here and where I come from it is much easier to find a pet shop. I also do stupid old school shit like walk past the girl and look over my shoulder and deliver my opener as she walks by. If a girl is standing still on a sidewalk or bus stop I approach with my back towards her or at an angle. Many times when I do this the girl will actually take a step toward me to give her response. This seems to put them at ease in the beginning and once a conversation begins I'll turn to face them.

Anyway, bottom line: have a reason when you approach and ease the girl into a conversation.

Quote: (11-23-2012 03:44 PM)Menace Wrote:  

Do the women in German cities that border other more "emotional" countries have any of that in their character? For example, what are the girls in Karlsruhe an Stuttgard (near France) like? In the US you have the bitchy "smart girls" in places like DC, but you have much nicer down to earth girls in other parts of the country.

No, this is usually not the case. While the women in the regions of germany do differ in terms of behaviour, I wouldn't say it is because of the influence of the bordering country, but more of a cultural thing that developed more or less independent over hundreds of years.
You can go to the german-polish border , and although a polish and german city there might be not even a kilometer apart from each other, the difference is trendemously.
But this could also be because the german society pretty much blocks and freezes off everything non-germanic.

BTW Stuttgart and Karlsruhe are particulary conservative and very posh.
The stereotype of "its forbidden to talk someone if you don't know them" becomes very true there, and nobody goes out there to meet new people, but to celebrate with their inner circle of friends.
...Atleast that's what a stuttgart-friend of mine tells me, who feels like heaven in Cologne because people are pretty social here.

Quote: (11-23-2012 04:35 PM)Lucky Wrote:  

I'm an American and I have been living in Germany for several months now. I have been focusing mostly on day game.

I've been using Day Bang as a guide from day one.

Girls here can be quite cold. There have been times where I've asked a girl for directions to a pet shop and they just keep walking pretending they can't hear me. Most of them are not open to strangers approaching them. However, once they learn that I am American and a "lost foreigner" they slowly warm up as I speak more and more about how "things are different here." It's like I can see that initial tension in them release when I start rambling about how I just moved here and where I come from it is much easier to find a pet shop. I also do stupid old school shit like walk past the girl and look over my shoulder and deliver my opener as she walks by. If a girl is standing still on a sidewalk or bus stop I approach with my back towards her or at an angle. Many times when I do this the girl will actually take a step toward me to give her response. This seems to put them at ease in the beginning and once a conversation begins I'll turn to face them.

Anyway, bottom line: have a reason when you approach and ease the girl into a conversation.

Well you're playing the foreigner card, which is actually the best you can do here.
German girls aren't really emotionally tied, if there's no logical reason why you talk to them , they'll block you off most of the time ( I'm talking about daygame) .
As a foreigner you can always pull some silly shit and lame lines, everything will be excused because well, you're a lost foreigner!
But then again there are alot of german girls that will avoid you just because you actually ARE a foreigner.
Yea, social circle plays a big role. Most people build their social circle in their school time, in their teens and aren't that eager about getting to know more people, but rather stay in their small circle of friends.

I'm a German living near Hamburg.

I could write long winded prose about how it is in Germany but am too tired right now so I'm just going to say that it aint easy over here.

German men, no matter how good looking, no matter how alpha/high the status, usually don't have the balls to approach women. They simply try to impress and then pray for the woman to make the next move. This is the way it usually works. Needless to say, many guys spend a great deal of their best years horny and lonely if they are not in a LTR.

Even the supposedly introverted Scandi guys have much more game and approach more often then German guys.

Quote: (12-27-2012 05:40 PM)sheesh Wrote:  

German men, no matter how good looking, no matter how alpha/high the status, usually don't have the balls to approach women. They simply try to impress and then pray for the woman to make the next move. This is the way it usually works. Needless to say, many guys spend a great deal of their best years horny and lonely if they are not in a LTR.

Yeah thats pretty much it.
Its really quite sad when you think about it.

You can eventually find normal girls if you play the numbers. Its pretty brutal though as the girls who are NOT into you will shoot you down hard. Just staring at their iphone, barking at you, straight out ignoring you. This shit used to really get to me and fuck with my head untill I spent some time living abroad and realized how retarded German girls are (ive done MUCH better in the czech republic). So now I try to not take it personally and just move on quickly if a bitch gives me attitude.

Whats really getting to me is you hardly ever see a German 8+. They are all very mediocre and have no sexual vibe about them at all. Hot chicks are always foreigners. Also soooo many girls straight out dont give a fuck about their appearance and walk around dressed like shit. That fucks up the whole game for me as I will get desperate and start hitting on girls I wouldnt even look at in other countries. Gaming German girls is like having a jobinterview for a job I dont even want to have.

8 more months then im leaving this hellhole!

Woot, I think there are hot girls in Germany, especially in the north.

I find that, at least in Germany, beauty is strongly correlated with social class. While some countries may have simple girls who are pretty, this rareley ever seems to be the case in Germany. I recently moved from a university town to a non university town of about the same size and the drop off in terms of quality was insane. I stopped going out after a while because the quality was so low that it was simply a waste of time. Most simple girls in Germany nowadays tend to be on the chubby side and/or simply look bland.

The girls I want are almost exclusively university students, the problem with that though is that it's hard to meet them if you're not part of their social circle. Many don't go to clubs that often but rather party at home or go out to bars/cafes, restaurants with their friends.

So you see this group of two or three hot girls enjoying their Cafe Latte at some Starbucks venue but this is Germany and of course, being a typical German, you wouldn't start a conversation at places like these as this is outside of the norm for us Germans.

Roosh has done a video on this subject ( meeting girls at coffee bars in the US vs. Europe) and it's true, especially in Germany.

Regarding the other problems that have been adressed in this thread - yes, German women are cold but they can be feminine if you play your part right. The more alpha/masculine etc. you are, the more feminine the woman will be. But German men are usually rather timid so the whole vibe feels strange with the man being the shy insecure part and the women being the dominant alpha.

another observation from the german girls i know who are in uni or shortly after leaving uni is many of them fall into (or at least are interested in) the vegan/vegatarian lifestyles, liberal leftie, live and let live mindset and many of them are pc to the max and expect you to be too
i've been called out a few times by german girls for poking fun at national stereotypes (including my own) stuff that nobody in ireland or the uk would bat an eyelid at, but the germans seem very senstive about things like that (possibly cos of their history)

I'll add my two cents...

It may depend on where you live. I don't know too much about Köln, but in general, there are several ways in which you can go about this.

1.) SGG: Standard German Game:
If you want to do this like most Germans, you're best bet is to to develop a BIG social circle and be indirect. This is something I've heard and learned time and time again from German girls. As a general rule: (A) they don't respond well to directness, and (B) they don't like being caught sport-fucking, especially not with guys outside their social circle. This means...
- House Parties(!)
- frequenting bars and clubs in mxed groups, especially the type in which your buddies bring (female) friends of friends of collegues etc. Forget that rolling-solo shit in Germany. You approach a group of girls or guys alone and without at least two wingmen to distract their friends (at least one of whom will likely be a guy), and you're getting cock-blocked like a motherfucker with immediate blowouts almost certain. Plus, if you're alone in a club, you'll be marked as the 'weird one' fairly quickly.

2.) Daygame:
In my opinion, foreign students react much more openly to daygame and random chit-chat from strangers, so you might want to keep this in mind and target foreign students at university campuses or tourist spots. If you're learning/can speak a foreign language other than English, you might want to look out for girls from that country.
If you're going after the locals, you'll likely notice varying results. Quite a few will be open to conversation, but by and large, they'll be less flirtatious than other nationalities. Asking for directions and other random elderly chit-chat is likely you're best option.

I can't say much about online game in Germany, since I've never done it. Other than that, happy hunting.

sheesh , you're absolutely right that in germany beauty correlates with social class almost always. I'm in Moscow right know and when I was at the airport today I saw this cleaning lady, which was a around twenty yo girl, but her beauty was letting my jaw drop to the ground .
I just couldnt believe how such a beautiful girl , a 10 , ended up with yellow gloves holding a wiping rag , dumping it into the water of the bucket and cleaning that floor..
For some reason this seriously made her even more interesting, I just wish I could've taken her away . For such a girl I'd gladly spend some attention.
The fact that I as a german view this like that, already shows how much german culture affected me.
No chance to see such a thing in germany.. probably though in most anglo countries its the same , or is it?

@Branimir there's something similar happening in Ireland in the last few years, with the influx of East Europeans, Russians and South Americans
there's now plenty of '7' east european cleaning ladies around, and various others working in hairdressing, in shops, cafes, etc, many 7 or above
unfortunately, quite a few of them have(or are developing) b1tch shields, since the irish lads who have been largely starved of quality women until now, tend to flock around these chicks, showering them with attention and flattery, and pedastalling them - a sad state of affairs

It is not true, that german guys don't approach. It depends on the region and circumstances, but the competition is fierce at the moment. I eyed a cute girl in a group of her female friends, she was sitting on a bench - her friends left to dance, after 5 seconds the first dude hit on her. If you are in rural area its all about social circle and guys seldom cold approach. in larger cities, there are too many thirsty dudes. you have to be top of the chain.