Quote: (11-17-2012 08:06 AM)Partizan Wrote:  

Are you tempted? That would be absolutely hardcore although going there could end up in you getting a few slaps off the local gopniki. I would thread with caution in going to these small places. In larger cities, you can be more anonymous and smash more women without anybody knowing.

I agree that the large cities are best for quantities but I like the challenge and rawness of these off the track provincial holes. I think the best solution is to be in a big city but one that is only an hour or two from some smaller towns so you can live in comfort but delve into the rawer towns when you want to. To be fair,I guess pretty much any city has its satellite towns so it should not be hard to find.

Quote: (11-17-2012 08:28 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Quote: (11-17-2012 08:06 AM)Partizan Wrote:  

Are you tempted? That would be absolutely hardcore although going there could end up in you getting a few slaps off the local gopniki. I would thread with caution in going to these small places. In larger cities, you can be more anonymous and smash more women without anybody knowing.

I agree that the large cities are best for quantities but I like the challenge and rawness of these off the track provincial holes. I think the best solution is to be in a big city but one that is only an hour or two from some smaller towns so you can live in comfort but delve into the rawer towns when you want to. To be fair,I guess pretty much any city has its satellite towns so it should not be hard to find.

true that. what places are you looking at from a map of Russia. The area from Kazan - Perm - Ufa offers many opportunities. Have you ever been tempted to explore Vorkuta (your handle)?

Quote: (11-17-2012 07:55 AM)BrownBear Wrote:  

Definitely have not been there. Vorkuta there are a lot more of these cities coming up, trust me you'll want to look at all of them before you make your choice. Some of the videos I'm uploading right now are pure gold.

To my russian brothers who say that I'll "ruin our women" please tell me why does it matter who they have fun with? Maybe we will begin to value how wonderful they are and actually provide them with what they deserve.

We can´t possibly ruin such a large country with so much quality pussy. It will probably be only 4 or 5 of us going to one city.....so it is no big deal. Now the World Cup in 2018 could start making Russia go down hill.

Quote: (11-17-2012 08:43 AM)Partizan Wrote:  

true that. what places are you looking at from a map of Russia. The area from Kazan - Perm - Ufa offers many opportunities. Have you ever been tempted to explore Vorkuta (your handle)?

Yes I think that would be a great area to target. That's why I don't necessarily think you have to leave European Russia to hit the good areas. The Urals and it's environs strikes me as having everything you need.

Yeah Vorkuta is up near the very top of my 'to visit' places. No roads in or out,collapsing economy,abandoned towns all around it. Perfect!

Quote: (11-16-2012 11:28 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

Quote: (11-16-2012 09:13 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Quote: (11-16-2012 08:39 AM)BrownBear Wrote:  

By the way for you guys who think you're going to be able to game girls in Russia without knowing Russian that's not happening telling you before you guys make plans to go. Moscow and Peter people speak English but its like under 5% of the population if not less that can speak conversational english and most of them are in those two cities.

Not quite true.

Neil banged his way across Russia with no Russian,I only speak very poor Russian yet have had sucsess. Not knowing Russian makes things harder and shrinks the pool of women you can target but you'll still get laid as long as you tick other boxes.

Vorkuta, what he means is for having consistent success with 8 or 9s. That is the only reason I would go to Russia. I wouldnt put the effort that it will take to make this Russian adventure happen, just to bang 6 or 7s. From what I have read from Neils book, he wasnt consistenly pulling hot Russian girls. As he admitted, he didnt have much game at that time, and I commend him for what he managed to bang. I will only do this if I put 6 months into learning Russian.

Make that almost no game since I had never even heard of Game/PUA around that time. It would take another 6 months for me to find out.
I learned some basic survival Russian while traveling in Russia and Kazakhstan. Just enough to order food, read the cyrillic alphabet to understand street names, buy train tickets and ask some minor directions using the words left,right and straight. My conversational skills were plain horrible and I could only understand a few words in a sentence and had to use sign language a lot. Still Russian people were friendly and tried to speak with me all the time. Mostly on trains while traveling platzkart (3rd class)

The girls I was with all spoke very good English. I did manage to kiss a girl using only Russian. I probably could have taken her back to my apartment if her fat cockblocking friend didn't start literally pulling her away from me while I was kissing her in he street. I was only two blocks away from my place. It was the only time I had my own apartment (15 bucks a night, haha cheap cheap for a 3 room apartment) Talk about bad luck!

Some competition you got here in Belgorod.. haha
http://vk.com/club_restaurant_miks?z=pho...s168711395
http://vk.com/club_restaurant_miks?z=pho...s168711395

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...ZjwxajQWl0

If you guys are rushing to choose then I will nominate Novosibirsk, yekaterinburg, krasnodar, arkhangelsk, abakan (haven't been here)

Althought they might be too big for you guys

What is this creature on the left? Tamil lesbian?

That is a "7" in Russia.

Quote: (11-17-2012 07:55 AM)BrownBear Wrote:  

Definitely have not been there. Vorkuta there are a lot more of these cities coming up, trust me you'll want to look at all of them before you make your choice. Some of the videos I'm uploading right now are pure gold.

To my russian brothers who say that I'll "ruin our women" please tell me why does it matter who they have fun with? Maybe we will begin to value how wonderful they are and actually provide them with what they deserve.

My Russian friend from Moscow said there are clubs in Russia where everyone gathers in a circle and there are hired porn stars/strippers/escorts/what have you and they pick random guys from the audience and fuck them in the center of the circle in front of everyone (dont know if they are in Moscow or in smaller cities)

How accessible is this kind of quality, as a foreigner with limited Russian?

Keep in mind that the makeup and studio lighting add half a point or more to her appearance.

Quote: (11-17-2012 11:33 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

How accessible is this kind of quality, as a foreigner with limited Russian?

Keep in mind that the makeup and studio lighting add half a point or more to her appearance.

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Quote: (11-17-2012 11:33 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

How accessible is this kind of quality, as a foreigner with limited Russian?

Keep in mind that the makeup and studio lighting add half a point or more to her appearance.

I don't know to be honest, depends on who you are and how you represent yourself, but from my experience I haven't had problems with women like that (I'll show you pictures if we ever meet up) and I've lived in America for a long time, but you probably should learn russian more though!

Quote: (11-17-2012 09:56 AM)BrownBear Wrote:  

Some competition you got here in Belgorod.. haha
http://vk.com/club_restaurant_miks?z=pho...s168711395
http://vk.com/club_restaurant_miks?z=pho...s168711395

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...ZjwxajQWl0

If you guys are rushing to choose then I will nominate Novosibirsk, yekaterinburg, krasnodar, arkhangelsk, abakan (haven't been here)

Althought they might be too big for you guys

This pics are hilarious, I don't want to hate on those dudes because they are getting love in the club it seems. I would not consider them competition for me nor for a stable of RVF members.
I am eager to make this trip because there are people going in numbers and we have a great host in BrownBear, it would not be a trip I would do solo. I imagine there will be some haters, especially is you are hitting on there "girls" and it could lead to some friction.

I spoke to Luckystar who has visited these areas and he spoke about how different this country is, he didn't even get into the woman situation.

I really hope this idea doesn't fizzle out, because I am going. 90% chance

http://vk.com/zeonclub?z=photo161832949_...s161832949

Bratsk Russia

Why does every russian guy have the exact same hairstyle?

When you come to Russia you can ask them yourself You don't like that style?

I've had a couple of trips inside provincial Russia before, and it always puts a smile on my face and a longing feeling in my heart when I think about the friendliness of the people and the quality of the chicks. Surely I'll be back.

Used gorkvartira.ru for apartments on my last trip. There are many similar sites, e.g. sutochno.ru. I found gorkvartira useful because they have map view and a better selection than airbnb, at least in the cities I looked for an apartment.

One thing I heard is that many sexy Siberian girls flock to Novosibirsk, capital of Siberia. It is for them easier to exploit their good looks in a big city. I introduced myself to a couple of gorgeous ones during my short stay there, but if they are better than average for Russia I cannot say. There are lots of hot skinny girls in every city. And I like the smaller city mentality, just have to be more careful in my experience.

You guys will love Cheboksary

The mood is not good, I want to leave my town..

Quote: (11-18-2012 02:50 AM)BrownBear Wrote:  

You guys will love Cheboksary

The mood is not good, I want to leave my town..

That site you are putting together is off to a great start BrownBear. A lot of information can be deduced from these pics, like for example in Cheboksary, there are some nice looking girls, but there really aren't many blonde girls. For those of us who like girls with a particular look, your site is gold. Keep up the good work.

Thank you, I'll add very detailed information about the cities and give my input on them as well after I have the basics done for all the cities.

Quote: (11-18-2012 02:07 AM)orbiter Wrote:  

I've had a couple of trips inside provincial Russia before, and it always puts a smile on my face and a longing feeling in my heart when I think about the friendliness of the people and the quality of the chicks. Surely I'll be back.

Used gorkvartira.ru for apartments on my last trip. There are many similar sites, e.g. sutochno.ru. I found gorkvartira useful because they have map view and a better selection than airbnb, at least in the cities I looked for an apartment.

One thing I heard is that many sexy Siberian girls flock to Novosibirsk, capital of Siberia. It is for them easier to exploit their good looks in a big city. I introduced myself to a couple of gorgeous ones during my short stay there, but if they are better than average for Russia I cannot say. There are lots of hot skinny girls in every city. And I like the smaller city mentality, just have to be more careful in my experience.

Cheers for the info. Funny how every apartment on the site you listed is available for rent by the hour. Russkies must love banging ho's : )

Would you mind sharing some of your experiences from the provinces? Did you go to clubs/what reaction did you get in them? How much did you pay for apartments on average? Daily expenses? What places did you like? How is your Russian?

You seem to have done what a few of us want to do so your input would be really valuable.

http://vk.com/grkstoneclub?z=photo-23713...70_0%2Frev
"Freak night"


I also don't understand how in a city of 250k I can only find two nightclubs with websites.

Quote: (11-18-2012 03:42 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Would you mind sharing some of your experiences from the provinces? Did you go to clubs/what reaction did you get in them? How much did you pay for apartments on average? Daily expenses? What places did you like? How is your Russian?

My Russian is not at all strong enough to understand when I watch the television news or when several Russians speak among themselves. In those cases I would recognize words, and try to guess the meaning. But one-on-one I can understand and say enough things, sometimes a dictionary is needed. Pimsleur Russian I, II and III, mamba.ru messaging and a limited amount of practice with Russian-speakers have taken me to the point I am today.

A typical daily rent for a studio apt was 1500 rubles / 48 USD. This would be central in a rather large city, modern, with washing machine, internet. Discount for longer stays. Normally booking of apts must be done in Russian. It can be hard to find a suitable apartment on short notice.

I have been traveling partly solo, and partly with friends with little game and only English speaking ability. Although it is a low percentage who speaks useful English over there, quite often somebody who does found us in bars or clubs. They would recognize or hear about us, and welcome the chance to practice English and meet "exotic" people. The visual quality of those who want to practice English is normally not the best however.

Meet one quality girl, talk to her, if she does not immediately reject you she might quickly introduce you to her friends. You're in. Or you can just talk with her for a while, odds are she will be very curious about your world. I found this a lot easier than in western clubs.

Getting attention and contact info from girls was mostly uncomplicated. Escalating quickly can be a good idea to filter out those who only "want to talk with the unusual guy". Once in a bar after an hour or so of laughter and photo shooting with several girls in a group, revealing of physical interest from me to one of them gave me a "we're only talking with you because you're a foreigner, I don't like you for something more". Thanks for letting me know. Getting her contact details earlier had been straightforward.

I left the group and found somebody just as nice and a little more serious to talk with, in the same bar. She was sitting alone when I approached her, and she reacted positively to me sitting with her. Shortly after some semi-serious cockblocking / competition came from a local guy who sat himself down with us. He seemed to have known her for a while. He ran his best AMOG-game on me, doing what he could to dominate me and getting the girl to walk with him. Putting his arm around her, giving me the stare etc. Which I responded to by being friendly but with slow moves, unreactive. "Oh, sorry, I didn't know she was your girlfriend". I saw that she wasn't. So she had to object to that verbally. I continued "You see. Me and her we're just having a friendly private conversation now." She wanted to dance. I told him "I'm going to take her dancing. Is this okay with you?" I did not feel like just walking off would work. It was only okay with him if all three of us went dancing together. The girl signaled that that's the only way. Kind of funny. Girls have a lot of respect for guys over there. Me and her had to run and hide when he went to the toilet. And even then she felt a bit bad for hiding from him.

Russian men also can find it interesting to talk friendly with you. It can sometimes be a good idea to befriend guys who seem to have status. They may introduce you to girls, and the fact that you have been talking to "status guys" may keep other guys away when you talk with women. Knowledge of Russian language is quite helpful also in this case. At other times it can be useful to "not understand" when people want to talk.

For instance, in a tiny provincial town of around 20000 people a few guys stared at me and my buddy rather agressively. For no apparent reason other than us being foreigners and talking with local girls. I felt I had to watch my back when walking around. This was in the best disco in town, you can imagine that there were not many other options. A somewhat unstable drunk guy later on became quite negative upon seeing me with a girl. Talking loudly to the others "He's a foreigner. We must do something. He's a foreigner. She's got a boyfriend. He's a foreigner!" She told me she had broken up with her ex long ago. Or maybe he was just out of town for a while. And maybe the agressor was that possible boyfriend's friend. It was unclear to me. I had no desire to escalate the mood of the place, stopped kinoing her, did not talk directly with that guy, instead talked calmly with other guys I had been talking to before. "Is he okay? Do you know him?". Soon the situation dissolved, fortunately. Outside later on, with the same guys hanging in front of the disco, including the agressor - everybody seemed to have forgotten about it. Me and my buddy shared a cab driving away from the place with three girls we met there (not the one with the alleged boyfriend, she left earlier). They did not want to come into the hotel with us however, and we left the next morning, no time for dating.

The good thing is that my buddy stated "my God, I've never seen so many hot girls in one place. This is crazy. How can it be?"

Well. Girls are typically quite a bit hotter in clubs than what you'll meet in the street. This difference is stronger than in the west. Clubs take face control seriously, they marry at a young age there, "ladies night" seems to be quite common, the competition for the best guys among girls is strong and therefore the girls dress up and make up very nicely when going out. And many average girls cannot afford to go to the nicer clubs.

Quote: (11-18-2012 02:07 AM)orbiter Wrote:  

One thing I heard is that many sexy Siberian girls flock to Novosibirsk, capital of Siberia.

Good to hear. That is the city that intrigues me the most so far from my research.